Character Discussion Sanji is weak willed compared to Zoro and Luffy

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

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but she was so sad

I know.

 

[ZoroSlaysDragonTuna]

Sanji starved for 70 days and still have energy left to kill Zeff. He endured beating from his siblings everyday. That's a strong willed.

Killing someone for food is strong will?

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Killing someone for food is strong will?

He HAVE energy to do it.

 

[hedera__helix]

Sanji starved for 70 days and still have energy left to kill Zeff. He endured beating from his siblings everyday. That's a strong willed.

Don Kreig’s crew starved for a long time too. That’s not important. And millions of kids get their ass beat by their siblings lmfao, Sanji ran away first chance he got.

He has a weak will because he doesn’t understand the concept of dying for your dreams and treats his own ambition as a joke.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Don Kreig’s crew starved for a long time too. That’s not important. And millions of kids get their ass beat by their siblings lmfao, Sanji ran away first chance he got.

He has a weak will because he doesn’t understand the concept of dying for your dreams and treats his own ambition as a joke.

Too much bias.

 

[hedera__helix]

Too much bias.

Doesn’t change the fact that he told Zoro to abandon his dream.

 

[Sanji D Cook]

that didn't show anything more than a lack of trust in his friends, he should've known that since he was involved in enis loby.
that's not a proof of strong will. he knows they were already against a yonko kaido but he still let himself be intimidated by big mom knowing full well that his crew will definitely come after him like they did for robin.

He was giving his life away to protect Zeff and did not want anyone from the crew to save him. He did not want anyone to stop his sacrifice for the sake of those he cherish. That is not lack of trust. That is love. Just like how Luffy was starving himself to death unless Sanji came back.

 

[Kromage911]

He has a weak will because he doesn’t understand the concept of dying for your dreams and treats his own ambition as a joke.

Dedication towards dream/ambition does not = strong-willed, lol. One can have a stronger will to live or to save his Nakamas' life, etc. Not saying that Sanji necessarily has a stronger will or something but the logic is fucked up.

 

[hedera__helix]

Dedication towards dream/ambition does not = strong-willed, lol. One can have a stronger will to live or to save his Nakamas' life, etc. Not saying that Sanji necessarily has a stronger will or something but the logic is fucked up.

Well even when it comes to saving his Nakama, his will isn’t very strong. He couldn’t bring himself to beat Khalifa in order to save Robin.

 

[ZoroSlaysDragonTuna]

Well even when it comes to saving his Nakama, his will isn’t very strong. He couldn’t bring himself to beat Khalifa in order to save Robin.

Or black maria, he would sacrifice his friends because he doesnt want to hit women. Zoro doesnt like to hit women either but if it endangers others he will do what it takes.

 

[Kromage911]

Well even when it comes to saving his Nakama, his will isn’t very strong. He couldn’t bring himself to beat Khalifa in order to save Robin.

That's a part of his character and basic principles, lol. He can't hit a woman, it's as simple as that. Call it selfish or whatever you can. He's willing to die for his Nakama like he did while saving Usopp and Nami from Enel but he can't hit women. You cannot call him 'weak-willed' for that. Again, the logic used is bad. I would even say that him breaking his principles and beating a woman is a sign of him being weak-willed, towards his principles or in general.

 

[draganax]

robin did the exact same thing, he should've known better.it's like he learned nothing from enis loby.
the crew already understands the risk of going on a war against the yonko when they antagonized kaido. it's a risk that comes with living as a pirate. like what luffy said to vivi: in a war people will get hurt.

 

[vikas]

This is why people should make better threads related to important plot points. Talking about characters is shit in one piece. Even the author doesn't do a good job.

 

[trav]

My goodness the insecurity within this fandom. How many of the same low lvl bait threads yall gotta make.

are you sick and tired of getting kicked in the teeth all the time?

 

[hedera__helix]

That's a part of his character and basic principles, lol. He can't hit a woman, it's as simple as that. Call it selfish or whatever you can. He's willing to die for his Nakama like he did while saving Usopp and Nami from Enel but he can't hit women. You cannot call him 'weak-willed' for that. Again, the logic used is bad. I would even say that him breaking his principles and beating a woman is a sign of him being weak-willed, towards his principles or in general.

But why not? His will to save his friends wasn’t strong enough to overcome his flaw of not being physically able to hit women. If he had a stronger will to protect his friends, I think he could have overcome this fatal flaw.

 

[ZoroSlaysDragonTuna]

That's a part of his character and basic principles, lol. He can't hit a woman, it's as simple as that. Call it selfish or whatever you can. He's willing to die for his Nakama like he did while saving Usopp and Nami from Enel but he can't hit women. You cannot call him 'weak-willed' for that. Again, the logic used is bad. I would even say that him breaking his principles and beating a woman is a sign of him being weak-willed, towards his principles or in general.

Theres is nothing wrong with having principles but when two principles collide a strong willed person will find a sulotion that doesnt endanger others while staying true to his morals. Yes sanjis character is to not hit women. But keeping his friends away from danger is also part of his character. These sometimes collide. Its on him to find a solution that keeps him true to him self. Endangering others by only staying true to not hitting women is not strong willed. When you compare it to luffy and zoro.
Imo

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

When Sanji not kicking a women even though his crewmate is in danger, people shits on him but when Sanji blocked Big Mom's attack people STILL shits on Sanji for hitting a woman. I see a pattern here.

 

[Kromage911]

But why not? His will to save his friends wasn’t strong enough to overcome his flaw of not being physically able to hit women. If he had a stronger will to protect his friends, I think he could have overcome this fatal flaw.

Theres is nothing wrong with having principles but when two principles collide a strong willed person will find a sulotion that doesnt endanger others while staying true to his morals. Yes sanjis character is to not hit women. But keeping his friends away from danger is also part of his character. These sometimes collide. Its on him to find a solution that keeps him true to him self. Endangering others by only staying true to not hitting women is not strong willed. When you compare it to luffy and zoro.
Imo

I still don't think that his not being able to hit women is directly connected to him being weak-willed. One can have more will to do something over the other, but I get it.

 

[Peroroncino]

When Sanji not kicking a women even though his crewmate is in danger, people shits on him but when Sanji blocked Big Mom's attack people STILL shits on Sanji for hitting a woman. I see a pattern here.

Blocking and hitting are not the same thing though even oda made that clear

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Blocking and hitting are not the same thing though even oda made that clear

But Sanji still uses "force" to blocked Big Mom's attack.