Character Discussion Do you really think Luffy's real rival is Kid?

I’m sure if Kidd was responsible for Aces death he would remember his name too lol. Y’all are getting pretty desperate to use this personality quirk of Luffys as some type of evidence. He calls him Jaggy and yet is still hyper competitive with him.
That's the matter of if and will never happen, y'all are getting pretty desperate trying to make kidd relevant just because he's standing beside luffy, and it's part of Luffy personality being hyper competitive to anyone lol..
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Cause they are the enemies. He knows the name cause he was someone who is in debt for getting ace killed.

But Kid isnt an enemy, he is a friendly rival.

So, beside all the arguments given, the new (and only) argument is now "Luffy doesnt call Kid by his real name"?
The same can be said to law, what make kidd different to law?
 
That's the matter of if and will never happen, y'all are getting pretty desperate trying to make kidd relevant just because he's standing beside luffy, and it's part of Luffy personality being hyper competitive to anyone lol..
I’ve already been through this earlier in the thread, I’m not dealing with another delusional person. If you think we are calling Kidd Luffy’s rival because “he’s standing beside Luffy” then go ahead and believe that lol.
 
And yet, even with Luffy’s personality, he’s able to identify Blackbeard just by his voice, and remember his name




And he’s got no problem remembering what to call Kaido or Big Mom either.
Oh dear :lawsigh:

No one here says that Blackbeard has not his role, what I'm (probably 'we') am/are saying is that Blackbeard is the final pirate enemy, the arch-enemy, the nemesis, the true responsible for Ace's death. He has already made his ladder, like Shanks.
Kidd is the rival, the other exceptional talent of the Worst Generation, the other Conqueror who's moving in parallel with him in his journey, the one who'll give Luffy the needed competition during his way in the Gran Line. He's currently climbing his own ladder in competition with Luffy.

These 2 are different roles
 
Kidd is the rival, the other exceptional talent of the Worst Generation, the other Conqueror who's moving in parallel with him in his journey, the one who'll give Luffy the needed competition during his way in the Gran Line. He's currently climbing his own ladder in competition with Luffy.
Kid is a little late, isn't he? We are near the end of the NW and Kid is way behind Luffy. That's not a rivalry.
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In fact, Luffy doesn't need a rival. Any enemy he has faced can be considered his rival. It's more interesting to have a cool archenemy like BB than a one-dimensional rival like Kid.

And speaking of rivals, Doffy was a better rival for Luffy than Kid. They both have CoC and are ancestral enemies (Luffy is a D and Doffy is a Celestial Dragon). Or Katakuri, since they both had CoC, similar DF and similar fighting style, they even respected each other as good rivals.
 
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Oh dear :lawsigh:

Kidd is the rival, the other exceptional talent of the Worst Generation, the other Conqueror who's moving in parallel with him in his journey, the one who'll give Luffy the needed competition during his way in the Gran Line. He's currently climbing his own ladder in competition with Luffy.

These 2 are different roles
Literally all the things you’ve said about Kid apply more to Blackbeard than him.
 
Literally all the things you’ve said about Kid apply more to Blackbeard than him.
He literally doesn't, Teach is not competing with Luffy now and confirmed it with his own words. Luffy still needs to take down an Emperor, something Teach did, in his own way.
Teach is already sitting at the top with Shanks, Kaido and Big Mom while Luffy and Kidd are still running for the top
 
He literally doesn't, Teach is not competing with Luffy now and confirmed it with his own words. Luffy still needs to take down an Emperor, something Teach did, in his own way.
Teach is already sitting at the top with Shanks, Kaido and Big Mom while Luffy and Kidd are still running for the top
Luffy has his fleet and allies. When he defeats Kaido he will be more evenly matched with Teach. Kid has nothing.
 
He literally doesn't, Teach is not competing with Luffy now and confirmed it with his own words. Luffy still needs to take down an Emperor, something Teach did, in his own way.
Teach is already sitting at the top with Shanks, Kaido and Big Mom while Luffy and Kidd are still running for the top
Lol, Kid's not in the running for anything. He's got a grand total of one strong subordinate. The weakest Strawhat is stronger than the third strongest Kid pirate, whether that's Heat or Wire, that's why the Strawhats are taking on the main Beast Pirates while Heat and Wire are stuck with fodder.

Luffy's already starting to be heralded as the fifth Emperor, Wano will secure that. The Strawhats are much closer to a Yonko crew than the Kid Pirates are to the Strawhats. Teach is competing with Luffy, and he'll realise that by the end of the arc. While Kid will just be, like Law and Capone, considered two Worst Gen who help Luffy out on his way to greatness
 
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If Kid is truly worthy of being called Luffy’s rival you don’t offpanel nearly everything he does and then have him get outshone by Luffy’s right hand man on the biggest stage. It’s as simple as that. Now Kid may shine later down the line and the foundations for him being a true rival have been there; namely the similarities they share...but they have never been solid enough to be worthy of a true rivalry not even close.
 
You fail to realize that Kidd has not been written or set up like the rest of the Supernova at all. Him and Luffy are different from the rest. There is a reason that he is the most similar character, mindset wise, to Luffy in this manga. Guarantee they will be similar individual strength wise as well. Where Kidd falls short from Luffy is the charisma to draw people towards him. This is why Luffy has such a great crew and many allies. Luffy’s charisma is on another level. Kidd seems to push people away. This is the main thing that separates Luffy and Kidd and what will be the deciding factor between them when it comes to being PK. Not individual strength. Watch. There has been nothing in this manga that proves that Luffy is levels above Kidd in strength besides fans head canons and wishful thinking. When they compete Oda always portrays them as near equals. From Saboady to Udon prison.
You are right. The difference between Kidd and Luffy is that Kidd has trust issues. That's the only reason why Kidd didn't amass a massive army in the two years he was in the New World
 
You are right. The difference between Kidd and Luffy is that Kidd has trust issues. That's the only reason why Kidd didn't amass a massive army in the two years he was in the New World
For all we know, it’s possible Kidd in fact does a fleet tbh. In the chapter where Kaido falls onto Kidd’s base, one of his men says “he capsized one of our ships” This heavily implies that the Kidd pirates have a fleet of ships under them, it wouldn’t be surprising seeing as how he seems to have deep ties to the underworld and CoC. But yeah Luffy’s ability draw people towards him is what separates him from Kidd. Not individual strength. Most of Luffy’s achievements in New World have been because of the strong allies that he has gathered. Meanwhile Kidd refuses to trust people and was already reluctant to team up with Hawkins and Apoo at first.
 
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