Episode Discussion Toyotaro interview reveals that Broly, Bills, Whis, and Grand Priest are stronger than current Goku with iS.
1. Factual. Toyotaro drew Goku and Vegeta fusing. They were unscathed.
2. No arc had more PIS than ToP, and it still didn't stop Jiren from knocking out Freeza cold in one punch, Broly can't do it in one hour. He's fodder.
3. Utter nonsense, they could've worked around that easily, have them get beaten up to death, then IT away and eat a Senzu Bean, but they didn't. Broly never dominated SSB Goku and Vegeta, he simply ate their attacks and overwhelmed them.
Blue tier is fodder btw, being ahead of it is not impressive when the most supressed Jiren we've seen took a crap on SSBKK20 and oneshotted it.
ToP UI Goku >> ToP UI Omen Goku >>>> Broly Arc SSB Goku > ToP SSB Goku. I agree
ToP UI Goku went toe to toe with Jiren.
Not SSB Goku.
Broly is getting oneshotted, he's below UI Omen level based on feats.
Anime UI and Jiren are on the same level, which is beyond Hakaishin level and has all the Hakaishins stand up from their seat.
Broly is not Beerus lvl, Broly is below Granola,Goku and Vegeta, and Beerus fodderized Vegeta nodiff.
Lentinel coping with more and more utter nonsense.
"he WaS HyPInG thE AntAGOnIST urr durr"
-Granola literally made a wish to become the universe's strongest warrior
-The oracle said Granola was the strongest in the universe
-The Dragon who granted him his wish said he was stronger than anyone except the GODS
-Toyotaro himself confirms Granola,Goku and Vegeta are top 3 mortals in U7
And you're still talking shit about how this is the same formular ? Hahahahahahaha
Like any other villain ever made the wish to be the strongest uh?
The author definitely does have to spoonfeed people like you though, when the manga guide book, an interview, multiple character statements and on panel feats, aren't enough to convince you that you're utterly full of crap and that you're Space Ape Tarzan is fodder and has the worst feats of any antagonists in Super. Period.
Can't read again uh?
Goku "Do you know of anyone stronger than us?
Whis "No"
Whis the same guy that clowned your Space Ape Monkey and had his fun with him, considers Goku and Vegeta to be STRONGER than him.
Space Monkey can't even beat the living shit out of SSB tier characters and can't kill or knock out Freeza in 1 hour.
The only thing he's beating is Goku Black as far as villains goes, that's it.
Wow your ability to be unable to read is astonishing.
Whis "Jiren is quickly adapting"
Kunshee "Jiren came out on top"
Belmod "Yup good"
Goku surprised Jiren with UI and landed many blows, even a full power kamehameha, but his RAW STRENGTH and RAW POWER was nowhere near Jiren's, then Jiren started adapting and WON against UI.
UI Goku never did any significant damage to Jiren. All it did was land weak blows
Vegeta ended the arc almost dead and was at Krillin's mercy.
Cell got killed,surpassed and beaten by Gohan
Your examples are so damn terrible holy shit.
Manga Jiren was totally fine at the end of the ToP, he was knocked out by being BLINDSIDED.
Goku's only trumpcard did absolutely no damage to Jiren despite using a full power kamehameha at blank point and then Vegeta said they couldn't put a dent in him.
Stop being in denial this is getting pathetic.
You wanna take another look at it uh?
Zero damage. He did nothing to them in Toyo's interpretation of the fight.
And even in the movie his feats are PATHETIC, he doesn't beat up SSB Goku or Vegeta, he simply overwhelms their attack and chases them. Jiren oneshotted SSB tier characters while heavily supressed in the anime. Just his glare was enough to do that. Broly's feats don't even come remotely close to heavily supressed Jiren let alone LB Jiren.
Space Ape Monkeytard trying to bring Kale into it like she's relevant to the discussion.
Jiren oneshotted Golden Freeza in a single punch.
Broly couldn't put him down in 1 hour.
See the difference or no?
Even Hakaishin Toppo has better feats than Broly, that's fucking embarrassing.
Stronger than MUI based on absolutely nothing since in the Moro Arc Piccolo states that Gogeta can't beat Moro because he'd be caught by Moro's stolen Forced Spirit Fission ability and GOKU AGREES with Piccolo.
Yet when MUI came out Moro couldn't land a blow on him and even hurt himself trying to attack.
MUI would've roflstomped Broly into oblivion.
Vegeta did not have better feats than Recoome you need to stop making up stuff to push your pathetic agenda.
Urrrr durrrr "zenkai" when neither Goku nor Vegeta even used their strongest forms (be it Manga or Anime forms) against Broly.
Again you definitely need the author to spoonfeed you that the fodder who couldn't beat SSB tier characters and got no diffed by Gogeta ain't stronger than Jiren at all.
Again no evidence.
Vados "Jiren is beyond my comprehension"
Whis "Jiren's potential is immeasurable"
When it comes to Broly it's more like "Come here little monkey let's play" cause he's fodder.
Holy shit you're dumb as fuck.
Whis made Moro 73's (who's stronger than Broly) KI BLASTS irrelevant by creating a barrier.
He was PLAYING with Broly, if he wanted to use a barrier and cuck him he could easily.
These Angels however weren't playing, they moved out of the way because the blast was too much for their barriers.
"Empty hype" like the freaking author of the manga calling Jiren the greatest rival he's ever created for Goku? Or how Jiren featured in an arc that literally translates to "Tournament of the strongest" ? Or how he has the best feats out of any antagonists shown so far?
You're the one clinging to empty hype. Broly has nothing but garbage promotional material going for him. His feats are utter trash.
Jiren is above Beerus who made a fodder out of Vegeta and Vegeta himself has surpassed Broly.
Prove that Hit was ever called the greatest rival by Toriyama.
Jiren and Hit are nothing alike. Hit was never ever stronger than Goku in the manga. But since you don't read it you'd have a tough time knowing that uh?
2. No arc had more PIS than ToP, and it still didn't stop Jiren from knocking out Freeza cold in one punch, Broly can't do it in one hour. He's fodder.
3. Utter nonsense, they could've worked around that easily, have them get beaten up to death, then IT away and eat a Senzu Bean, but they didn't. Broly never dominated SSB Goku and Vegeta, he simply ate their attacks and overwhelmed them.
Blue tier is fodder btw, being ahead of it is not impressive when the most supressed Jiren we've seen took a crap on SSBKK20 and oneshotted it.
ToP UI Goku >> ToP UI Omen Goku >>>> Broly Arc SSB Goku > ToP SSB Goku. I agree
ToP UI Goku went toe to toe with Jiren.
Not SSB Goku.
Broly is getting oneshotted, he's below UI Omen level based on feats.
Anime UI and Jiren are on the same level, which is beyond Hakaishin level and has all the Hakaishins stand up from their seat.
Broly is not Beerus lvl, Broly is below Granola,Goku and Vegeta, and Beerus fodderized Vegeta nodiff.
Lentinel coping with more and more utter nonsense.
"he WaS HyPInG thE AntAGOnIST urr durr"
-Granola literally made a wish to become the universe's strongest warrior
-The oracle said Granola was the strongest in the universe
-The Dragon who granted him his wish said he was stronger than anyone except the GODS
-Toyotaro himself confirms Granola,Goku and Vegeta are top 3 mortals in U7
And you're still talking shit about how this is the same formular ? Hahahahahahaha
Like any other villain ever made the wish to be the strongest uh?
The author definitely does have to spoonfeed people like you though, when the manga guide book, an interview, multiple character statements and on panel feats, aren't enough to convince you that you're utterly full of crap and that you're Space Ape Tarzan is fodder and has the worst feats of any antagonists in Super. Period.
Can't read again uh?
Goku "Do you know of anyone stronger than us?
Whis "No"
Whis the same guy that clowned your Space Ape Monkey and had his fun with him, considers Goku and Vegeta to be STRONGER than him.
Space Monkey can't even beat the living shit out of SSB tier characters and can't kill or knock out Freeza in 1 hour.
The only thing he's beating is Goku Black as far as villains goes, that's it.
Wow your ability to be unable to read is astonishing.
Whis "Jiren is quickly adapting"
Kunshee "Jiren came out on top"
Belmod "Yup good"
Goku surprised Jiren with UI and landed many blows, even a full power kamehameha, but his RAW STRENGTH and RAW POWER was nowhere near Jiren's, then Jiren started adapting and WON against UI.
UI Goku never did any significant damage to Jiren. All it did was land weak blows
Vegeta ended the arc almost dead and was at Krillin's mercy.
Cell got killed,surpassed and beaten by Gohan
Your examples are so damn terrible holy shit.
Manga Jiren was totally fine at the end of the ToP, he was knocked out by being BLINDSIDED.
Goku's only trumpcard did absolutely no damage to Jiren despite using a full power kamehameha at blank point and then Vegeta said they couldn't put a dent in him.
Stop being in denial this is getting pathetic.
You wanna take another look at it uh?
Zero damage. He did nothing to them in Toyo's interpretation of the fight.
And even in the movie his feats are PATHETIC, he doesn't beat up SSB Goku or Vegeta, he simply overwhelms their attack and chases them. Jiren oneshotted SSB tier characters while heavily supressed in the anime. Just his glare was enough to do that. Broly's feats don't even come remotely close to heavily supressed Jiren let alone LB Jiren.
Space Ape Monkeytard trying to bring Kale into it like she's relevant to the discussion.
Jiren oneshotted Golden Freeza in a single punch.
Broly couldn't put him down in 1 hour.
See the difference or no?
Even Hakaishin Toppo has better feats than Broly, that's fucking embarrassing.
Stronger than MUI based on absolutely nothing since in the Moro Arc Piccolo states that Gogeta can't beat Moro because he'd be caught by Moro's stolen Forced Spirit Fission ability and GOKU AGREES with Piccolo.
Yet when MUI came out Moro couldn't land a blow on him and even hurt himself trying to attack.
MUI would've roflstomped Broly into oblivion.
Vegeta did not have better feats than Recoome you need to stop making up stuff to push your pathetic agenda.
Urrrr durrrr "zenkai" when neither Goku nor Vegeta even used their strongest forms (be it Manga or Anime forms) against Broly.
Again you definitely need the author to spoonfeed you that the fodder who couldn't beat SSB tier characters and got no diffed by Gogeta ain't stronger than Jiren at all.
Again no evidence.
Vados "Jiren is beyond my comprehension"
Whis "Jiren's potential is immeasurable"
When it comes to Broly it's more like "Come here little monkey let's play" cause he's fodder.
Holy shit you're dumb as fuck.
Whis made Moro 73's (who's stronger than Broly) KI BLASTS irrelevant by creating a barrier.
He was PLAYING with Broly, if he wanted to use a barrier and cuck him he could easily.
These Angels however weren't playing, they moved out of the way because the blast was too much for their barriers.
"Empty hype" like the freaking author of the manga calling Jiren the greatest rival he's ever created for Goku? Or how Jiren featured in an arc that literally translates to "Tournament of the strongest" ? Or how he has the best feats out of any antagonists shown so far?
You're the one clinging to empty hype. Broly has nothing but garbage promotional material going for him. His feats are utter trash.
Jiren is above Beerus who made a fodder out of Vegeta and Vegeta himself has surpassed Broly.
Prove that Hit was ever called the greatest rival by Toriyama.
Jiren and Hit are nothing alike. Hit was never ever stronger than Goku in the manga. But since you don't read it you'd have a tough time knowing that uh?
1. Factual. Toyotaro drew Goku and Vegeta fusing. They were unscathed.
2. No arc had more PIS than ToP, and it still didn't stop Jiren from knocking out Freeza cold in one punch, Broly can't do it in one hour. He's fodder.
3. Utter nonsense, they could've worked around that easily, have them get beaten up to death, then IT away and eat a Senzu Bean, but they didn't. Broly never dominated SSB Goku and Vegeta, he simply ate their attacks and overwhelmed them.
Blue tier is fodder btw, being ahead of it is not impressive when the most supressed Jiren we've seen took a crap on SSBKK20 and oneshotted it.
ToP UI Goku >> ToP UI Omen Goku >>>> Broly Arc SSB Goku > ToP SSB Goku. I agree
ToP UI Goku went toe to toe with Jiren.
Not SSB Goku.
Broly is getting oneshotted, he's below UI Omen level based on feats.
Anime UI and Jiren are on the same level, which is beyond Hakaishin level and has all the Hakaishins stand up from their seat.
Broly is not Beerus lvl, Broly is below Granola,Goku and Vegeta, and Beerus fodderized Vegeta nodiff.
Lentinel coping with more and more utter nonsense.
"he WaS HyPInG thE AntAGOnIST urr durr"
-Granola literally made a wish to become the universe's strongest warrior
-The oracle said Granola was the strongest in the universe
-The Dragon who granted him his wish said he was stronger than anyone except the GODS
-Toyotaro himself confirms Granola,Goku and Vegeta are top 3 mortals in U7
And you're still talking shit about how this is the same formular ? Hahahahahahaha
Like any other villain ever made the wish to be the strongest uh?
The author definitely does have to spoonfeed people like you though, when the manga guide book, an interview, multiple character statements and on panel feats, aren't enough to convince you that you're utterly full of crap and that you're Space Ape Tarzan is fodder and has the worst feats of any antagonists in Super. Period.
Can't read again uh?
Goku "Do you know of anyone stronger than us?
Whis "No"
Whis the same guy that clowned your Space Ape Monkey and had his fun with him, considers Goku and Vegeta to be STRONGER than him.
Space Monkey can't even beat the living shit out of SSB tier characters and can't kill or knock out Freeza in 1 hour.
The only thing he's beating is Goku Black as far as villains goes, that's it.
Wow your ability to be unable to read is astonishing.
Whis "Jiren is quickly adapting"
Kunshee "Jiren came out on top"
Belmod "Yup good"
Goku surprised Jiren with UI and landed many blows, even a full power kamehameha, but his RAW STRENGTH and RAW POWER was nowhere near Jiren's, then Jiren started adapting and WON against UI.
UI Goku never did any significant damage to Jiren. All it did was land weak blows
Vegeta ended the arc almost dead and was at Krillin's mercy.
Cell got killed,surpassed and beaten by Gohan
Your examples are so damn terrible holy shit.
Manga Jiren was totally fine at the end of the ToP, he was knocked out by being BLINDSIDED.
Goku's only trumpcard did absolutely no damage to Jiren despite using a full power kamehameha at blank point and then Vegeta said they couldn't put a dent in him.
Stop being in denial this is getting pathetic.
You wanna take another look at it uh?
Zero damage. He did nothing to them in Toyo's interpretation of the fight.
And even in the movie his feats are PATHETIC, he doesn't beat up SSB Goku or Vegeta, he simply overwhelms their attack and chases them. Jiren oneshotted SSB tier characters while heavily supressed in the anime. Just his glare was enough to do that. Broly's feats don't even come remotely close to heavily supressed Jiren let alone LB Jiren.
Space Ape Monkeytard trying to bring Kale into it like she's relevant to the discussion.
Jiren oneshotted Golden Freeza in a single punch.
Broly couldn't put him down in 1 hour.
See the difference or no?
Even Hakaishin Toppo has better feats than Broly, that's fucking embarrassing.
Stronger than MUI based on absolutely nothing since in the Moro Arc Piccolo states that Gogeta can't beat Moro because he'd be caught by Moro's stolen Forced Spirit Fission ability and GOKU AGREES with Piccolo.
Yet when MUI came out Moro couldn't land a blow on him and even hurt himself trying to attack.
MUI would've roflstomped Broly into oblivion.
Vegeta did not have better feats than Recoome you need to stop making up stuff to push your pathetic agenda.
Urrrr durrrr "zenkai" when neither Goku nor Vegeta even used their strongest forms (be it Manga or Anime forms) against Broly.
Again you definitely need the author to spoonfeed you that the fodder who couldn't beat SSB tier characters and got no diffed by Gogeta ain't stronger than Jiren at all.
Again no evidence.
Vados "Jiren is beyond my comprehension"
Whis "Jiren's potential is immeasurable"
When it comes to Broly it's more like "Come here little monkey let's play" cause he's fodder.
Holy shit you're dumb as fuck.
Whis made Moro 73's (who's stronger than Broly) KI BLASTS irrelevant by creating a barrier.
He was PLAYING with Broly, if he wanted to use a barrier and cuck him he could easily.
These Angels however weren't playing, they moved out of the way because the blast was too much for their barriers.
"Empty hype" like the freaking author of the manga calling Jiren the greatest rival he's ever created for Goku? Or how Jiren featured in an arc that literally translates to "Tournament of the strongest" ? Or how he has the best feats out of any antagonists shown so far?
You're the one clinging to empty hype. Broly has nothing but garbage promotional material going for him. His feats are utter trash.
Jiren is above Beerus who made a fodder out of Vegeta and Vegeta himself has surpassed Broly.
Prove that Hit was ever called the greatest rival by Toriyama.
Jiren and Hit are nothing alike. Hit was never ever stronger than Goku in the manga. But since you don't read it you'd have a tough time knowing that uh?
2. No arc had more PIS than ToP, and it still didn't stop Jiren from knocking out Freeza cold in one punch, Broly can't do it in one hour. He's fodder.
3. Utter nonsense, they could've worked around that easily, have them get beaten up to death, then IT away and eat a Senzu Bean, but they didn't. Broly never dominated SSB Goku and Vegeta, he simply ate their attacks and overwhelmed them.
Blue tier is fodder btw, being ahead of it is not impressive when the most supressed Jiren we've seen took a crap on SSBKK20 and oneshotted it.
ToP UI Goku >> ToP UI Omen Goku >>>> Broly Arc SSB Goku > ToP SSB Goku. I agree
ToP UI Goku went toe to toe with Jiren.
Not SSB Goku.
Broly is getting oneshotted, he's below UI Omen level based on feats.
Anime UI and Jiren are on the same level, which is beyond Hakaishin level and has all the Hakaishins stand up from their seat.
Broly is not Beerus lvl, Broly is below Granola,Goku and Vegeta, and Beerus fodderized Vegeta nodiff.
Lentinel coping with more and more utter nonsense.
"he WaS HyPInG thE AntAGOnIST urr durr"
-Granola literally made a wish to become the universe's strongest warrior
-The oracle said Granola was the strongest in the universe
-The Dragon who granted him his wish said he was stronger than anyone except the GODS
-Toyotaro himself confirms Granola,Goku and Vegeta are top 3 mortals in U7
And you're still talking shit about how this is the same formular ? Hahahahahahaha
Like any other villain ever made the wish to be the strongest uh?
The author definitely does have to spoonfeed people like you though, when the manga guide book, an interview, multiple character statements and on panel feats, aren't enough to convince you that you're utterly full of crap and that you're Space Ape Tarzan is fodder and has the worst feats of any antagonists in Super. Period.
Can't read again uh?
Goku "Do you know of anyone stronger than us?
Whis "No"
Whis the same guy that clowned your Space Ape Monkey and had his fun with him, considers Goku and Vegeta to be STRONGER than him.
Space Monkey can't even beat the living shit out of SSB tier characters and can't kill or knock out Freeza in 1 hour.
The only thing he's beating is Goku Black as far as villains goes, that's it.
Wow your ability to be unable to read is astonishing.
Whis "Jiren is quickly adapting"
Kunshee "Jiren came out on top"
Belmod "Yup good"
Goku surprised Jiren with UI and landed many blows, even a full power kamehameha, but his RAW STRENGTH and RAW POWER was nowhere near Jiren's, then Jiren started adapting and WON against UI.
UI Goku never did any significant damage to Jiren. All it did was land weak blows
Vegeta ended the arc almost dead and was at Krillin's mercy.
Cell got killed,surpassed and beaten by Gohan
Your examples are so damn terrible holy shit.
Manga Jiren was totally fine at the end of the ToP, he was knocked out by being BLINDSIDED.
Goku's only trumpcard did absolutely no damage to Jiren despite using a full power kamehameha at blank point and then Vegeta said they couldn't put a dent in him.
Stop being in denial this is getting pathetic.
You wanna take another look at it uh?
Zero damage. He did nothing to them in Toyo's interpretation of the fight.
And even in the movie his feats are PATHETIC, he doesn't beat up SSB Goku or Vegeta, he simply overwhelms their attack and chases them. Jiren oneshotted SSB tier characters while heavily supressed in the anime. Just his glare was enough to do that. Broly's feats don't even come remotely close to heavily supressed Jiren let alone LB Jiren.
Space Ape Monkeytard trying to bring Kale into it like she's relevant to the discussion.
Jiren oneshotted Golden Freeza in a single punch.
Broly couldn't put him down in 1 hour.
See the difference or no?
Even Hakaishin Toppo has better feats than Broly, that's fucking embarrassing.
Stronger than MUI based on absolutely nothing since in the Moro Arc Piccolo states that Gogeta can't beat Moro because he'd be caught by Moro's stolen Forced Spirit Fission ability and GOKU AGREES with Piccolo.
Yet when MUI came out Moro couldn't land a blow on him and even hurt himself trying to attack.
MUI would've roflstomped Broly into oblivion.
Vegeta did not have better feats than Recoome you need to stop making up stuff to push your pathetic agenda.
Urrrr durrrr "zenkai" when neither Goku nor Vegeta even used their strongest forms (be it Manga or Anime forms) against Broly.
Again you definitely need the author to spoonfeed you that the fodder who couldn't beat SSB tier characters and got no diffed by Gogeta ain't stronger than Jiren at all.
Again no evidence.
Vados "Jiren is beyond my comprehension"
Whis "Jiren's potential is immeasurable"
When it comes to Broly it's more like "Come here little monkey let's play" cause he's fodder.
Holy shit you're dumb as fuck.
Whis made Moro 73's (who's stronger than Broly) KI BLASTS irrelevant by creating a barrier.
He was PLAYING with Broly, if he wanted to use a barrier and cuck him he could easily.
These Angels however weren't playing, they moved out of the way because the blast was too much for their barriers.
"Empty hype" like the freaking author of the manga calling Jiren the greatest rival he's ever created for Goku? Or how Jiren featured in an arc that literally translates to "Tournament of the strongest" ? Or how he has the best feats out of any antagonists shown so far?
You're the one clinging to empty hype. Broly has nothing but garbage promotional material going for him. His feats are utter trash.
Jiren is above Beerus who made a fodder out of Vegeta and Vegeta himself has surpassed Broly.
Prove that Hit was ever called the greatest rival by Toriyama.
Jiren and Hit are nothing alike. Hit was never ever stronger than Goku in the manga. But since you don't read it you'd have a tough time knowing that uh?
@Extravlad
Now you’re over analyzing
The creators are not like us care about every single details like how many scratches on the body , but even if i humored you a little and said sure that’s a clear evidence broly couldn’t damage them
Let’s see
Gogeta from what I remember didn’t leave a single scratch on broly and didn’t drew any blood from him , before gogeta’s final kamehameha you can see broly completely fine
So by your logic gogeta did no damage to broly
A super fusion between 2 veterans did zero damage to a novice broly
Think about that for a second
Not the same at all
In broly’s case freeza HAD TO SURVIVE
Cause if he didn’t survive then broly would go on and kill goku vegeta the rest of humanity
Which means dragon ball is finished lol
Freeza had to survive strictly because of the plot and nothing more
Take broly out and put jiren instead
And freeza would still survive because otherwise everyone would be dead
That’s one of the clearest cases of PIS in anime history
Broly trashed them both
The gap between them was HUGE
Otherwise there would be no need for a fusion
If the gap wasn’t big goku and vegeta could have eaten senzu bean and continued the fight
But they didn’t
Because the gap was too big
The only option to beat broly is a fusion
Again think about this for a second
Goku and vegeta have been training with a god and an angel for a long time
They needed to fuse and multiple there powers many times over to beat a novice broly that has been fighting for hours only
The ssbkk20 goku that jiren one shotted is not the same as the blue goku broly faced though
You’re confusing the base power with a sheer transformation
The UI transformation > The blue transformation
Sure
But that doesn’t mean that UI goku in TOP > the blue goku that fought broly
Because goku in base in the broly movie > goku in base in TOP
You have to understand this cause it’s very important
When a sayein receive a zenkai his base power gets stronger which makes his transformations stronger
Example
Goku at the start of TOP couldn’t do shit to jiren
Jiren was literally just standing there tanking attacks from SSJ2 without even budging and that was a suppressed jiren
at the end of the TOP a LB jiren couldn’t just stand there and tank attacks from base goku and SSJ goku , he was getting hurt from those attacks and he HAD to defend himself from goku
Do you understand my point here?
SSJ2 couldn’t do shit to a suppressed jiren
But
Base and SSJ1 goku could damage a LB jiren
How did that happen???
Because of zenkai
Goku grew in power
the SSJ2 transformation alone is > the SSJ transformation and base
But the base and the SSJ goku at the end of TOP> the SSJ2 goku at the beginning of TOP
Gogeta himself couldn’t one shot broly wtf
By feats he trashed a superior version of that goku
Plus vegeta
Plus he was hyped to be on beerus level
Plus he received a zenkai
Broly would rape jiren hard
Bullshit
Goku is still below beerus
So UI is not “beyond Hakaishin level”
Maybe the weaker ones but definitely not beerus
Broly is on beerus level by hype
Goku said it himself
Granola goku and vegeta are the 3 main characters of the current arc
They need to be hyped
and even IF they are currently stronger
Just give broly 5 minutes with them and he would easily surpass them
Easily
Now you’re over analyzing
The creators are not like us care about every single details like how many scratches on the body , but even if i humored you a little and said sure that’s a clear evidence broly couldn’t damage them
Let’s see
Gogeta from what I remember didn’t leave a single scratch on broly and didn’t drew any blood from him , before gogeta’s final kamehameha you can see broly completely fine
So by your logic gogeta did no damage to broly
A super fusion between 2 veterans did zero damage to a novice broly
Think about that for a second
Not the same at all
In broly’s case freeza HAD TO SURVIVE
Cause if he didn’t survive then broly would go on and kill goku vegeta the rest of humanity
Which means dragon ball is finished lol
Freeza had to survive strictly because of the plot and nothing more
Take broly out and put jiren instead
And freeza would still survive because otherwise everyone would be dead
That’s one of the clearest cases of PIS in anime history
Broly trashed them both
The gap between them was HUGE
Otherwise there would be no need for a fusion
If the gap wasn’t big goku and vegeta could have eaten senzu bean and continued the fight
But they didn’t
Because the gap was too big
The only option to beat broly is a fusion
Again think about this for a second
Goku and vegeta have been training with a god and an angel for a long time
They needed to fuse and multiple there powers many times over to beat a novice broly that has been fighting for hours only
The ssbkk20 goku that jiren one shotted is not the same as the blue goku broly faced though
You’re confusing the base power with a sheer transformation
The UI transformation > The blue transformation
Sure
But that doesn’t mean that UI goku in TOP > the blue goku that fought broly
Because goku in base in the broly movie > goku in base in TOP
You have to understand this cause it’s very important
When a sayein receive a zenkai his base power gets stronger which makes his transformations stronger
Example
Goku at the start of TOP couldn’t do shit to jiren
Jiren was literally just standing there tanking attacks from SSJ2 without even budging and that was a suppressed jiren
at the end of the TOP a LB jiren couldn’t just stand there and tank attacks from base goku and SSJ goku , he was getting hurt from those attacks and he HAD to defend himself from goku
Do you understand my point here?
SSJ2 couldn’t do shit to a suppressed jiren
But
Base and SSJ1 goku could damage a LB jiren
How did that happen???
Because of zenkai
Goku grew in power
the SSJ2 transformation alone is > the SSJ transformation and base
But the base and the SSJ goku at the end of TOP> the SSJ2 goku at the beginning of TOP
Gogeta himself couldn’t one shot broly wtf
By feats he trashed a superior version of that goku
Plus vegeta
Plus he was hyped to be on beerus level
Plus he received a zenkai
Broly would rape jiren hard
Bullshit
Goku is still below beerus
So UI is not “beyond Hakaishin level”
Maybe the weaker ones but definitely not beerus
Broly is on beerus level by hype
Goku said it himself
Granola goku and vegeta are the 3 main characters of the current arc
They need to be hyped
and even IF they are currently stronger
Just give broly 5 minutes with them and he would easily surpass them
Easily
Based on feats which are ... overwhelming 2 SSB tier characters for a bit while beating/injuring neither of them uh? You realize that Hakaishin Toppo has the same feat in the ToP? And that he's fodder to any version of Jiren?
Also no Gogeta is not stronger than UI.
Piccolo and Goku thinks Gogeta wouldn't be able to defeat Moro 73 and his FSF ability but when UI Goku comes out, he roflstomps Moro 73 into oblivion and Moro ends up HURTING HIMSELF when he attacks him.
Broly does have bruises, they censor blood, it doesn't mean they can't draw damage.
Also you're ignoring that this is a manga panel, the manga does have a LOT of blood and Toyo doesn't hold back compared to the anime where they'll keep damage light.
If he wanted to draw a bloody Goku and Vegeta he could have. The man drew Moro piercing a hole in Goku's chest.
You realize that there is nothing that forced them to make it 1 HOUR right?
They could've had Freeza survive 10 minutes.
But no they picked 1 HOUR !!!
You can't use PIS as an argument when they had no oblligation to pick a timespan that long.
Read what I wrote above. Freeza had to survive as long as it'd take for Goku/Vegeta to fuse. And that didn't need to be 1 hour at all.
Again this is not impressive. Jiren did worse to 4 SSB tier fighters than Broly did to 2 lol.
Now you're capping. Broly movie takes place right after the ToP and the manga events that follow imply that Goku/Vegeta did not go to Whis's place to train inbetween ToP/Broly movie.
Yes thanks to Broly whatever complains people had at Kale are now nothing more than retarded misogynistic nonsense, since Broly is far worse than her as far as asspull powers go.
Goku did not use SSBKK20 vs Broly and if you think that's because it doesn't exist in the manga well Goku did not use MSSB against Broly either.
This is utterly delusional you need to spot this. The next arc picks up with Goku trying to achieve the power he displayed in the ToP and both him and Merus acknowledging that form is >>>>>> his current power level.
This wasn't LB Jiren. Freeza himself tells Jiren he doesn't feel that overwhelming strength he displayed anymore. Anime Jiren was nerfed in the last ep.
131 Jiren is the weakest Jiren has ever been so no I don't understand your point. You have Freeza spelling out for you that he's nerfed.
Gogeta can't deal with Moro's FSF according to Piccolo/Goku
UI Goku nodiffed Moro to the point where he let himself get punched and Moro got hurt.
You're overrating fusion I feel. Don't forget that Toyotaro had Kefla go out to Gohan and gave her worse feats/portrayal than Kale. This man has no respect for fusion.
Being hyped to be on Beerus level is meaningless if you don't have the feats to back it up, FT Arc Vegito Blue was hyped to be on Beerus's level or above and that's fking laughable in retrospect when Beerus is still nodiffing Vegeta in the current arc and claims Moro is fodder to him.
In the manga 100% agreed.
In the anime though disagree. Anime MUI is much stronger than Manga MUI
Anime MUI is an actually "mastered" form, Goku kept getting stronger and stronger until it ran out.
Manga MUI gets weaker as time pass to the point where Granola could oneshot him after a bit.
Anime MUI also got much better portrayal (Hakaishins standing in respect to Goku, compared to manga MUI)
Jiren is beyond all Hakaishins by hype, Toyo said it himself.
Why do you treat one as factual and the other as nonsensical?
Also if you wanna go that way, Goku told Moro he's the toughest he ever fought, so Moro>Broly uh?
Granola literally made a wish to become the universe's strongest and the dragon granted it to him saying ONLY the GODS were stronger than him (implying Beerus and Whis)
There is no way around it, Granola IS stronger than Broly.
And if you're not convinced you have Whis, who witnessed Broly's full power at first hand, that tells Goku he doesn't know of anyone stronger than him or Vegeta in U7.
Come on man this is the kind of argument people used to make in 2010 when discussing Z Broly vs SSJ4 Gogeta ...
Also no Gogeta is not stronger than UI.
Piccolo and Goku thinks Gogeta wouldn't be able to defeat Moro 73 and his FSF ability but when UI Goku comes out, he roflstomps Moro 73 into oblivion and Moro ends up HURTING HIMSELF when he attacks him.
Broly does have bruises, they censor blood, it doesn't mean they can't draw damage.
Also you're ignoring that this is a manga panel, the manga does have a LOT of blood and Toyo doesn't hold back compared to the anime where they'll keep damage light.
If he wanted to draw a bloody Goku and Vegeta he could have. The man drew Moro piercing a hole in Goku's chest.
You realize that there is nothing that forced them to make it 1 HOUR right?
They could've had Freeza survive 10 minutes.
But no they picked 1 HOUR !!!
You can't use PIS as an argument when they had no oblligation to pick a timespan that long.
Read what I wrote above. Freeza had to survive as long as it'd take for Goku/Vegeta to fuse. And that didn't need to be 1 hour at all.
Again this is not impressive. Jiren did worse to 4 SSB tier fighters than Broly did to 2 lol.
Now you're capping. Broly movie takes place right after the ToP and the manga events that follow imply that Goku/Vegeta did not go to Whis's place to train inbetween ToP/Broly movie.
Yes thanks to Broly whatever complains people had at Kale are now nothing more than retarded misogynistic nonsense, since Broly is far worse than her as far as asspull powers go.
Goku did not use SSBKK20 vs Broly and if you think that's because it doesn't exist in the manga well Goku did not use MSSB against Broly either.
This is utterly delusional you need to spot this. The next arc picks up with Goku trying to achieve the power he displayed in the ToP and both him and Merus acknowledging that form is >>>>>> his current power level.
This wasn't LB Jiren. Freeza himself tells Jiren he doesn't feel that overwhelming strength he displayed anymore. Anime Jiren was nerfed in the last ep.
131 Jiren is the weakest Jiren has ever been so no I don't understand your point. You have Freeza spelling out for you that he's nerfed.
Gogeta can't deal with Moro's FSF according to Piccolo/Goku
UI Goku nodiffed Moro to the point where he let himself get punched and Moro got hurt.
You're overrating fusion I feel. Don't forget that Toyotaro had Kefla go out to Gohan and gave her worse feats/portrayal than Kale. This man has no respect for fusion.
Being hyped to be on Beerus level is meaningless if you don't have the feats to back it up, FT Arc Vegito Blue was hyped to be on Beerus's level or above and that's fking laughable in retrospect when Beerus is still nodiffing Vegeta in the current arc and claims Moro is fodder to him.
In the manga 100% agreed.
In the anime though disagree. Anime MUI is much stronger than Manga MUI
Anime MUI is an actually "mastered" form, Goku kept getting stronger and stronger until it ran out.
Manga MUI gets weaker as time pass to the point where Granola could oneshot him after a bit.
Anime MUI also got much better portrayal (Hakaishins standing in respect to Goku, compared to manga MUI)
Jiren is beyond all Hakaishins by hype, Toyo said it himself.
Why do you treat one as factual and the other as nonsensical?
Also if you wanna go that way, Goku told Moro he's the toughest he ever fought, so Moro>Broly uh?
Granola literally made a wish to become the universe's strongest and the dragon granted it to him saying ONLY the GODS were stronger than him (implying Beerus and Whis)
There is no way around it, Granola IS stronger than Broly.
And if you're not convinced you have Whis, who witnessed Broly's full power at first hand, that tells Goku he doesn't know of anyone stronger than him or Vegeta in U7.
Come on man this is the kind of argument people used to make in 2010 when discussing Z Broly vs SSJ4 Gogeta ...
Absolutely bullshit. Base gogeta is stronger than blue goku. Hence why blue gogeta/ssj gogeta was holding off and tieing with the same broly that was mam handling both blue vegeta and goku. Ssj1 is a 50 tines mutiplier from base and ssj3 is a 300 times mutuplier from base. If current BASE gogeta is stronger than current blue goku and vegeta there is no logical was that ui goku is stronger than blue gogeta. At minimum mui would have to have a mutiplier of over 1000 from blue to mui on order for it to even be close to blue gogeta since fusion has its own set mutpliers as well as transformation that that fusion also has access too
Which is why ssj2 caulifa and ssj2 controlled Kale was losing to god goku. But when they fused their fusion's base form was beating his god form. Infact when their fusion went ssj2 goku has to us ui omen in order to win. So again there is no proof that a current goku is stronger than a fusion of his current self fused with a current vegeta using a lower transformation
Which is why ssj2 caulifa and ssj2 controlled Kale was losing to god goku. But when they fused their fusion's base form was beating his god form. Infact when their fusion went ssj2 goku has to us ui omen in order to win. So again there is no proof that a current goku is stronger than a fusion of his current self fused with a current vegeta using a lower transformation
Base Gogeta is featless. He immediatly transformed into SSJ
And even if he is, wtf does that prove?
Base Kefla was blue level too and she got worked by UIO2
UI >>> UIO3 >> UIO2 > SSJ Kefla > Base Kefla ~ Blue Goku
So yea Gogeta Base > SSB makes sense but it doesn't prove he's UI level in SSB
And Kefla's SSJ is the same as Broly's. It's not regular SSJ
And even if he is, wtf does that prove?
Base Kefla was blue level too and she got worked by UIO2
UI >>> UIO3 >> UIO2 > SSJ Kefla > Base Kefla ~ Blue Goku
So yea Gogeta Base > SSB makes sense but it doesn't prove he's UI level in SSB
And Kefla's SSJ is the same as Broly's. It's not regular SSJ
Are you this retarded? What is mui mutiplier? Exactly. If base gogeta is stronger than blue goku and vegeta then there is no proof that ui is stronger than that gogeta in ssj3 let alone God transformations. At minimum mui golus mutuplier from blue to mui would have to be a multiplier of 1000 for him to remotely stand a chance against gogeta (a fusion with saiyan transformation mutipliers as well as a mutiplier from being a fusion). So no blue gogeta >>>>>>>> mui goku since even Base gogeta claps blue goku with mui being 1 form after blue
>You call me retarded
>Still doing multiplier scaling in 2021
Lmao.
The SSJ C form is a stronger multiplier than SSB you know that right?
Kefla uses the same transformation as Broly does
Base Kefla was SSB tier.
Base Kefla used a STRONGER multiplier than SSB and still got murked by UIO2
UIO2 is a stronger multiplier than Broly's uber duber super saiyan form and a much stronger multiplier than SSB
Then you have UIO3 which makes UIO2 looks fodder and MUI which makes UIO3 looks fodder too.
Do the math
Also why do you keep on ignoring how Piccolo told Goku that Gogeta cannot beat Moro 73 due to Moro's FSF ability? Goku agreed.
FSF need to hit it's target with blows to work so Goku thought even Gogeta wouldn't be able to nodiff Moro 73
Guess who no diffed Moro 73? That's right ... UI Goku
>Still doing multiplier scaling in 2021
Lmao.
The SSJ C form is a stronger multiplier than SSB you know that right?
Kefla uses the same transformation as Broly does
Base Kefla was SSB tier.
Base Kefla used a STRONGER multiplier than SSB and still got murked by UIO2
UIO2 is a stronger multiplier than Broly's uber duber super saiyan form and a much stronger multiplier than SSB
Then you have UIO3 which makes UIO2 looks fodder and MUI which makes UIO3 looks fodder too.
Do the math
Also why do you keep on ignoring how Piccolo told Goku that Gogeta cannot beat Moro 73 due to Moro's FSF ability? Goku agreed.
FSF need to hit it's target with blows to work so Goku thought even Gogeta wouldn't be able to nodiff Moro 73
Guess who no diffed Moro 73? That's right ... UI Goku
1. Kelfas base is currently weaker than gogetas base since gokus and vegetas base are higher than caulifa and Kale base. And in the broly movie goku and vegetas base are even more powerful in comparison to themselves in the t.o.p as stated in the beginning of the broly movie. So using Kale for your defense was a piss poor example
2. Ui omen goku didn't make her sweet.He actually had to run and dodge and not get hit by her attacks else it was gg as he stated.
3. The.form was not the same since brolys form was a trigger of using the Ape transformation in base. Something thay universe 6 don't have since they evolved into the point of not even growing them.
So yes I can safely say what you are spitting is retardation. Why? Because kefla has base ssj and ssj2. Gogeta has 1,2,3, God, blue. Three forms extra than kelfa who by way as stated has a confirmed weaker base than gogeta in the broly movie.
Also the ssj mutipliers..Ssj1 is a 50 times mutiplier from base. And ssj3 is a 300 times mutiplier from base. And no mutipliers are still used hence why fusions at weaker levels or weaker forms are stronger than there separate counterparts at there strongest forms.
So keep trying. The more you post the more your prove my point
2. Ui omen goku didn't make her sweet.He actually had to run and dodge and not get hit by her attacks else it was gg as he stated.
3. The.form was not the same since brolys form was a trigger of using the Ape transformation in base. Something thay universe 6 don't have since they evolved into the point of not even growing them.
So yes I can safely say what you are spitting is retardation. Why? Because kefla has base ssj and ssj2. Gogeta has 1,2,3, God, blue. Three forms extra than kelfa who by way as stated has a confirmed weaker base than gogeta in the broly movie.
Also the ssj mutipliers..Ssj1 is a 50 times mutiplier from base. And ssj3 is a 300 times mutiplier from base. And no mutipliers are still used hence why fusions at weaker levels or weaker forms are stronger than there separate counterparts at there strongest forms.
So keep trying. The more you post the more your prove my point
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1. It doesn't fucking matter. I showed you that Base Kefla despite being stronger than Blue Goku, was still no match for UIO2 so Base Gogeta being > Blue Goku is still no proof he'd beat MUI.
2. Uh? UIO2 literally defeated Kefla and broke her potaras. There's more to a fight than raw power.
3. Nonsense. Ikari Broly has nothing to do with his SSJ form. Kale is female Broly and her form works the exact same as Broly's does. Kefla's SSJ is a mix of Kale's and Caulifla's.
You're still going on about shitty multiplier like it's still relevant in 2k21. When Goku jumped from below base Vegito in FT Arc to being stronger than Vegito Blue with UIO1.
And you still haven't adressed Goku and Piccolo agreeing that Gogeta can't nodiff Moro 73 like UI did
2. Uh? UIO2 literally defeated Kefla and broke her potaras. There's more to a fight than raw power.
3. Nonsense. Ikari Broly has nothing to do with his SSJ form. Kale is female Broly and her form works the exact same as Broly's does. Kefla's SSJ is a mix of Kale's and Caulifla's.
You're still going on about shitty multiplier like it's still relevant in 2k21. When Goku jumped from below base Vegito in FT Arc to being stronger than Vegito Blue with UIO1.
And you still haven't adressed Goku and Piccolo agreeing that Gogeta can't nodiff Moro 73 like UI did
Bullshit after bullshit I see.
1. Goku stated he had to dodge her attack else he would loss. That is not a person that was 100 percent confident he could beat her.
2. Agreed. Hence why again he had to rely on her not being quick enough because her raw power was more than his.
3. Cap. Infact using both Ikari and ssj further explains why his ssij was so much more higher than goku and vegetas blue form.
4. I didn't address if because they already stated why. Moro had copied vegetas spirit fission making fusion useless. Do I have to spoon feed you info?
1. Goku stated he had to dodge her attack else he would loss. That is not a person that was 100 percent confident he could beat her.
2. Agreed. Hence why again he had to rely on her not being quick enough because her raw power was more than his.
3. Cap. Infact using both Ikari and ssj further explains why his ssij was so much more higher than goku and vegetas blue form.
4. I didn't address if because they already stated why. Moro had copied vegetas spirit fission making fusion useless. Do I have to spoon feed you info?
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How are the JIREN fans? Broly > Jiren every day.
- Base Ozaru Broly = SSJ BLUE goku, after the power tournament.
- Broly ssj> Goku and Vegeta Full power ssj blue fighting together.
- Broly Ssj> Gogeta Ssj.
-Gogeta went straight to Blue, which means Broly is at Gogeta GOD RED's level.
-Broly got much stronger after zenkai and learned to fight significantly, he fought GOKU, VEGETA and the strongest mortal character of VERSE GOGETA BLUE, He learns while fighting and gets stronger every minute, his destructive power is greater than that of a god of destruction according to JUMP.
- Both JIREN and GOKU trained their entire lives, Broly only casually trained with his father who had 8k power. Freeza himself even hinted that this could make him weaker, in his first real fight he needed GOGETA in BLUE. It's for you to clearly see the difference from mere characters like GOKU and JIREN, they need to train their whole lives, broly didn't even know what water was. lol
- The power of Gogeta and Broly were said to be the highest levels seen in the series, and we've had the power tournament before, which proves that GOKU with IS and JIREN didn't demonstrate such greater power than Broly and Gogeta Blue.
- Broly and Gogeta created dimensions and destroyed it.
- Toyo said in an interview that when GOKU and VEGETA unite, whether potara or not, their mergers will always beat their opponents, they will never be defeated.
- V-JUMP 2020 ( )
- In the new edition of V-Jump, on the part of Vegito, it is said that the power of Vegetto Blue (Saga Black) rivals that of Bills!
(Things changed all right, but just so you guys get a sense of how strong Vegeta and Goku who weren't even 100% perfect BLUE fused were HYPED, and Broly faced the fusion of Goku and Vegeta much, much stronger.
- Great, there is indeed confirmation that Vegetto "rivaled" Bills. Then there's the information from the September 2018 issue of Saikyo Jump, which says that Broly has a power BEYOND a God of Destruction, and even says that this opponent (Broly) is the strongest opponent of all.
- SAIKYO JUMP - ( )
We know that the Gogeta from the movie was much stronger than the Vegetto from the Black Saga.
Animedia Magazine March 8, 2018. Translation: That fighting power was enough for Universe 7's God of Destruction to observe. "He surpassed me..."
These here are the variations between Broly and kale
Kale
Super Sayajin Berserk
Super Sayajin Type A
Broly
Super Sayajin type c
Super Sayajin Legendary Full Power
On the official website of the movie, Broly's are these names
- ikari fury mode
- Super Sayajin c
- Super Sayajin Legendary Full Power
Did you say they are the same?
You are crazy?
You fucking idiot.
The transformations are not the same, stop being embarrassed, you're making up so much shit hahahahaha.
Broly will break JIREN in 2.
- Base Ozaru Broly = SSJ BLUE goku, after the power tournament.
- Broly ssj> Goku and Vegeta Full power ssj blue fighting together.
- Broly Ssj> Gogeta Ssj.
-Gogeta went straight to Blue, which means Broly is at Gogeta GOD RED's level.
-Broly got much stronger after zenkai and learned to fight significantly, he fought GOKU, VEGETA and the strongest mortal character of VERSE GOGETA BLUE, He learns while fighting and gets stronger every minute, his destructive power is greater than that of a god of destruction according to JUMP.
- Both JIREN and GOKU trained their entire lives, Broly only casually trained with his father who had 8k power. Freeza himself even hinted that this could make him weaker, in his first real fight he needed GOGETA in BLUE. It's for you to clearly see the difference from mere characters like GOKU and JIREN, they need to train their whole lives, broly didn't even know what water was. lol
- The power of Gogeta and Broly were said to be the highest levels seen in the series, and we've had the power tournament before, which proves that GOKU with IS and JIREN didn't demonstrate such greater power than Broly and Gogeta Blue.
- Broly and Gogeta created dimensions and destroyed it.
- Toyo said in an interview that when GOKU and VEGETA unite, whether potara or not, their mergers will always beat their opponents, they will never be defeated.
- V-JUMP 2020 ( )
- In the new edition of V-Jump, on the part of Vegito, it is said that the power of Vegetto Blue (Saga Black) rivals that of Bills!
(Things changed all right, but just so you guys get a sense of how strong Vegeta and Goku who weren't even 100% perfect BLUE fused were HYPED, and Broly faced the fusion of Goku and Vegeta much, much stronger.
- Great, there is indeed confirmation that Vegetto "rivaled" Bills. Then there's the information from the September 2018 issue of Saikyo Jump, which says that Broly has a power BEYOND a God of Destruction, and even says that this opponent (Broly) is the strongest opponent of all.
- SAIKYO JUMP - ( )
We know that the Gogeta from the movie was much stronger than the Vegetto from the Black Saga.
Animedia Magazine March 8, 2018. Translation: That fighting power was enough for Universe 7's God of Destruction to observe. "He surpassed me..."
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These here are the variations between Broly and kale
Kale
Super Sayajin Berserk
Super Sayajin Type A
Broly
Super Sayajin type c
Super Sayajin Legendary Full Power
On the official website of the movie, Broly's are these names
- ikari fury mode
- Super Sayajin c
- Super Sayajin Legendary Full Power
Did you say they are the same?
You are crazy?
You fucking idiot.
The transformations are not the same, stop being embarrassed, you're making up so much shit hahahahaha.
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Broly will break JIREN in 2.
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Yes and? He dodged her attack and destroyed her ass. UIO2 was stronger than Kefla in a fight. What the fuck are you trying to argue?
No she didn't have more raw power than him. The whole point of UIO is that Goku wasn't able to use that tremendous strength at it's fullest because he couldn't empty his head when attacking.
No it doesn't. What explains why his SSJ is so strong is that it's a SPECIAL TYPE of Super Saiyan, the same as KALE who ragdolled SSB Goku in the ToP initially in both manga and anime.
You realize that FSF need you too land blows to work? So Gogeta Blue (who took 0 blows vs Broly) can't avoid getting hit by Moro but UI Goku not only can, he can also take hits on purpose and have Moro injure himself in the process.
Massive L Kaido D. Weaker since Super Saiyan C is also used for Kale and listed as such in the wikia.
Kale is literally the female version of your Space Ape Tarzan smh, have more respect for her, she has the same powers that he does.
Congrats. You figured out why they didn't have Goku and Vegeta fuse in the ToP. Can't afford to let Jiren walk all over the best marketing tool in Dragon Ball history.
Jiren and UI shook an infinite world of void. That's far more impressive.
1. No it wasn't said to be that, stop using shity promotional content about "mightiest", especially when it refers more so to the fact that people were obsessed about Broly vs Gogeta since the early 2000s with fucking Budokai games putting it in every intro.
I mean yea you've basically proven that BROLY is an even more asspull character than Kale was and Kale got a lot of flack for going to fodder to folding Blue with her SSJC form. So I guess we can agree that Broly is just bad writing and asspul powers uh?
Sadly what you said here is false, Broly did train his whole life, that's all he did on Vampa, somehow he was still fodder after all this training tho and had to get strong in a real fight.
-Ikari Broly was beaten by SSB, where tf are you getting that they're equal when Freeza killed Paragus because BROLY was losing?
-I mean yea, but as I said even Heavily Supressed Jiren roflstomped SSB in 1 glare so being > Goku/Vegeta in SSB isn't impressive
-Broly SSJ > Gogeta SSJ is 100% headcanon. They looked equal to each other.
-Lol no it doesn't mean Broly is SSG Gogeta level, because SSB Gogeta took a crap on Broly the whole time and didn't get hit once.
-Speculation, current Broly is below Hakaishin Vegeta who's fodder to Beerus.
It's not that "things changed", Toyo back then even said "We don't know if this is true or not" when directly asked who's stronger by fans.
Also yes Beerus gets retconned, water is wet. Current Beerus would nodiff Vegito with a hand behind his back.
Why are you using outdated empty hype statements? You know very well Beerus folds Vegito and you know very well Broly can't be the strongest of opponents when Beerus was an opponent of Goku and he would roflstomp Broly even worse than he roflstomped Universe 7 top 3 mortal Vegeta
No she didn't have more raw power than him. The whole point of UIO is that Goku wasn't able to use that tremendous strength at it's fullest because he couldn't empty his head when attacking.
No it doesn't. What explains why his SSJ is so strong is that it's a SPECIAL TYPE of Super Saiyan, the same as KALE who ragdolled SSB Goku in the ToP initially in both manga and anime.
You realize that FSF need you too land blows to work? So Gogeta Blue (who took 0 blows vs Broly) can't avoid getting hit by Moro but UI Goku not only can, he can also take hits on purpose and have Moro injure himself in the process.
Massive L Kaido D. Weaker since Super Saiyan C is also used for Kale and listed as such in the wikia.
Kale is literally the female version of your Space Ape Tarzan smh, have more respect for her, she has the same powers that he does.
Congrats. You figured out why they didn't have Goku and Vegeta fuse in the ToP. Can't afford to let Jiren walk all over the best marketing tool in Dragon Ball history.
Jiren and UI shook an infinite world of void. That's far more impressive.
1. No it wasn't said to be that, stop using shity promotional content about "mightiest", especially when it refers more so to the fact that people were obsessed about Broly vs Gogeta since the early 2000s with fucking Budokai games putting it in every intro.
I mean yea you've basically proven that BROLY is an even more asspull character than Kale was and Kale got a lot of flack for going to fodder to folding Blue with her SSJC form. So I guess we can agree that Broly is just bad writing and asspul powers uh?
Sadly what you said here is false, Broly did train his whole life, that's all he did on Vampa, somehow he was still fodder after all this training tho and had to get strong in a real fight.
-Ikari Broly was beaten by SSB, where tf are you getting that they're equal when Freeza killed Paragus because BROLY was losing?
-I mean yea, but as I said even Heavily Supressed Jiren roflstomped SSB in 1 glare so being > Goku/Vegeta in SSB isn't impressive
-Broly SSJ > Gogeta SSJ is 100% headcanon. They looked equal to each other.
-Lol no it doesn't mean Broly is SSG Gogeta level, because SSB Gogeta took a crap on Broly the whole time and didn't get hit once.
-Speculation, current Broly is below Hakaishin Vegeta who's fodder to Beerus.
It's not that "things changed", Toyo back then even said "We don't know if this is true or not" when directly asked who's stronger by fans.
Also yes Beerus gets retconned, water is wet. Current Beerus would nodiff Vegito with a hand behind his back.
Why are you using outdated empty hype statements? You know very well Beerus folds Vegito and you know very well Broly can't be the strongest of opponents when Beerus was an opponent of Goku and he would roflstomp Broly even worse than he roflstomped Universe 7 top 3 mortal Vegeta
