Powers & Abilities A lot of "Haki" can now "counter devil fruits" sigh....
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Why do you guys always leave it to me to create a thread on how terrible Oda's writing is? You guys need to pick up the slack for once gahh. Oda creating nonsense out his ass again. Looks like Law was powering up his super saiyan transformation.
No we did not know this from Punk Hazard. A vague line by Doffy about "cutting powers" doesn't mean you can counter all devil fruits especially when we came across many scenarios of devil fruit powers being used against people with greater haki.
Oda writes things that continue making us question preestablished events because he keeps putting himself in difficult scenarios so he has to create shit out his ass. "Law devil fruit is hax so let me nerf it and say "Big Mom and Kaido haki is too strong"".
No we did not know this from Punk Hazard. A vague line by Doffy about "cutting powers" doesn't mean you can counter all devil fruits especially when we came across many scenarios of devil fruit powers being used against people with greater haki.
Oda writes things that continue making us question preestablished events because he keeps putting himself in difficult scenarios so he has to create shit out his ass. "Law devil fruit is hax so let me nerf it and say "Big Mom and Kaido haki is too strong"".
- Why did Sugar need to be knocked out?
- Why did Sugar abilities work on all those people with greater haki?
- If you need top tier haki then why did Doffy say Vergo can block Law's devil fruit power when clearly Vergo doesn't have top tier haki?
- Why does Pudding power work against people with greater haki?
- Why did Blackbeard say Hancock devil fruit will work on him? Is Oda implying BB is weak as heck?
- So now every top tier haki user has BB Yami yami devil fruit where they can negate devil fruit powers? So why did BB spend so much time getting the Yami yami when he could have just developed his haki?
- Etc.
It has been shown that non attack powers are what get countered. For example you can cancel law teleporting but not injection shot.
You can only cancel stuff effecting you, so no they can not just use yami yam shit.
Blackbeard wanted the Yami Yami to steal powers not just the negate.
Damn you wanted to complain.
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Hancock's hax > haki. Nuff said.
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Odas fighting style is very abstract and stays on the basic level of concept, and he is either not able to come up with details or does not want to because it would limit his possibilities in the story for obvious reasons but to play devils advocate...
From what i gather, alluding to a RPG like system, basically everything has a certain level, your physical prowess or rather AP, your AP level of your devil fruit attack and Haki level of course.
DD in PH argued that Laws potency/level in his dismembering attacks would not be high enough to get through Vergos Haki. That does not mean that the concept "Haki protects against DF attacks" was refuted but only that DDs claim was wrong and Law was stronger than he thought.
From what i gather, alluding to a RPG like system, basically everything has a certain level, your physical prowess or rather AP, your AP level of your devil fruit attack and Haki level of course.
DD in PH argued that Laws potency/level in his dismembering attacks would not be high enough to get through Vergos Haki. That does not mean that the concept "Haki protects against DF attacks" was refuted but only that DDs claim was wrong and Law was stronger than he thought.
Yeah sure, I forgot that Zoro was able to nullify birdcage with his advanced haki. 
And Zoro didn't have out of skip. The only thing we have seen is Zoro using hardening in Dressrosa. Oh yeah, Kinemon too has it if that is the case.
There is no indication that a particular type of haki counter it. It was not mentioned advanced form. It was mentioned it requires a greal deal of haki not the type of haki. For example, Luffy used to lose all haki not just CoA when he was out of G4.
And Zoro didn't have out of skip. The only thing we have seen is Zoro using hardening in Dressrosa. Oh yeah, Kinemon too has it if that is the case.
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There is no indication that a particular type of haki counter it. It was not mentioned advanced form. It was mentioned it requires a greal deal of haki not the type of haki. For example, Luffy used to lose all haki not just CoA when he was out of G4.
Yeah sure, I forgot that Zoro was able to nullify birdcage with his advanced haki.
And Zoro didn't have out of skip. The only thing we have seen is Zoro using hardening in Dressrosa. Oh yeah, Kinemon too has it if that is the case.
And Zoro didn't have out of skip. The only thing we have seen is Zoro using hardening in Dressrosa. Oh yeah, Kinemon too has it if that is the case.
Zoro back in PH was able to use flow to scar Mornet, and as we were told before that was flow an advanced form of haki
Birdcage was a plot device put in there for tension, show me when Zoro even tried to cut it even after he said there is nothing he cant cut, all he did was push it, even Fujitora didn't even try to cut it or use his busted ability to stop it, all they did was push it, but Dallas since your clearly lacking upstairs you failed to notice it.
Yes Kinemon has flow haki that's why he was able to cut Kaidou, are you trying to say he didn't have it?
LOL you are such an idiot
Lol, making up out of your ass. Zoro didn't use haki to cut monet. Tashigi clearly.mentioned that he didn't use haki.
Oh now, birdcage was a plot device. Sure. Something to convince yourself. Why Zoro tried to push it? He could have nullified the effect as according to you he is the only one who can reverse DF ability with his 'monstrous' haki. There is a reason he tried to push it instead of cutting it especially after saying he can't cut anything. Because he can't cut it. Oh, at that point, he cant cut fire too. So your point is moot. Fujitora has reason to not cut the birdcage unlike Zoro.
And you only said there is none in Dressrosa except Zoro that has haki to reverse DF ability. But Kinemon also had it. So he can also reverse the sugar curse.
Also, where it was said that adCoA is the thing to nullify haki. There is no specific mention that adCoA. All law mentioned that he has to use large quantity of haki to nullify DF powers. And Luffy loses all haki, not just CoA when he is out of G4.
Oh now, birdcage was a plot device. Sure. Something to convince yourself. Why Zoro tried to push it? He could have nullified the effect as according to you he is the only one who can reverse DF ability with his 'monstrous' haki. There is a reason he tried to push it instead of cutting it especially after saying he can't cut anything. Because he can't cut it. Oh, at that point, he cant cut fire too. So your point is moot. Fujitora has reason to not cut the birdcage unlike Zoro.
And you only said there is none in Dressrosa except Zoro that has haki to reverse DF ability. But Kinemon also had it. So he can also reverse the sugar curse.
Also, where it was said that adCoA is the thing to nullify haki. There is no specific mention that adCoA. All law mentioned that he has to use large quantity of haki to nullify DF powers. And Luffy loses all haki, not just CoA when he is out of G4.
Lmao, where's the confirmation?
The characters are reacting accordingly to the information within the confines of the story, and even Big Mom's own daughter isn't sold on the reports, because she knows her mother.
You as the reader should know better, when you see Zues, who is a fragment of Big Mom's soul, hasn't disappeared.
The characters are reacting accordingly to the information within the confines of the story, and even Big Mom's own daughter isn't sold on the reports, because she knows her mother.
You as the reader should know better, when you see Zues, who is a fragment of Big Mom's soul, hasn't disappeared.
Stop changing the goal post. Your goal post was that us the readers should already know Big Mom isn't dead because "it is common sense and that Oda doesn't need to spoon feed us" and yet since it is so "common sense" Oda had to "spoonfeed" us this chapter to tell us Big Mom is dead. If Oda didn't need to spoonfed us that Big Mom isn't dead then why did he spoonfed us the she is dead. Contradiciton much? There is one thing you're about which is that this manga is written like it is intended for teenagers since teenagers read with their brain turned off.
Get your head out of your ass. He did not "confirm Big Mom is dead" this chapter. He had one of her own children question the validity of the reports on the matter, meaning even characters within the story don't believe she's dead. How you reach the conclusion that's some kind of confirmation she is dead, is beyond me, when It does the exact opposite.
Get your head out your fucking ass, no one is saying anything about "confirmation". I am using YOUR argument against you. Your argument is that it is common sense that Big Mom isn't dead and Oda doesn't have to spoon feed us that Big Mom isn't dead. That was your argument! If it is so common sense that Oda doesn't have to spoonfeed us, then why did he say he she is dead this chapter? That goes against your argument, hence a contradiction because it was never common sense nor was it "spoonfeeding".