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he's an embarrassment to our community
also clearly he wants kizaru dragged through the mud and to kill his friends and continue serving literal devils, unreal these people
my admiral agenda is for kizaru to join strawhats, at least then his boss would be the sun god, not a demon lol and his friends would still be alive
also clearly he wants kizaru dragged through the mud and to kill his friends and continue serving literal devils, unreal these people
my admiral agenda is for kizaru to join strawhats, at least then his boss would be the sun god, not a demon lol and his friends would still be alive
Lmao! You pulled the kindergarten act again! Can’t defend your own claims so you go running to the usual suspects to have them defend you? Come on now…
That’s the only thing embarrassing here…besides your constant running away from providing precisely what Saturn has done to make him stronger. You do realize that that’s just the most blatant sign of having no answer and just being stubborn due to misplaced pride.
You’ve already had a previous claim disproven, but instead of learning anything you’re just doubling down on acting like a petulant child.
Is it my fault for expecting better? Even though it really shouldn’t be that surprising…
It’s unfortunate then that Pringles claims that what Saturn has already done makes him stronger than Kizaru, so care to take the challenge in his place? Can you name the things that Saturn has shown to make him stronger since Pringles seems to have had amnesia?
Surely you’ll provide something of substance and not the same empty statements, right?
Also, does that “portrayal” also put him above Luffy and the Yonko? Why or why not?
And this one’s just to seal the deal: Do you think that Zoro will fight and defeat Kizaru? What does your reading comprehension tell you about that?
That’s the only thing embarrassing here…besides your constant running away from providing precisely what Saturn has done to make him stronger. You do realize that that’s just the most blatant sign of having no answer and just being stubborn due to misplaced pride.
You’ve already had a previous claim disproven, but instead of learning anything you’re just doubling down on acting like a petulant child.
Is it my fault for expecting better? Even though it really shouldn’t be that surprising…
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It’s unfortunate then that Pringles claims that what Saturn has already done makes him stronger than Kizaru, so care to take the challenge in his place? Can you name the things that Saturn has shown to make him stronger since Pringles seems to have had amnesia?
Surely you’ll provide something of substance and not the same empty statements, right?
Also, does that “portrayal” also put him above Luffy and the Yonko? Why or why not?
And this one’s just to seal the deal: Do you think that Zoro will fight and defeat Kizaru? What does your reading comprehension tell you about that?
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How is Gorosei > Admirals common sense ?
It seems debatable
Feats = Kizaru's still superior clearly i think
Portrayal
Rank = Saturn is clearly superior ; Gorosei outrank the Admirals, they are Imu's main subordinates & Admirals are their subordinates
Matchup = Kizaru's superior. Luffy > Sanji + Franky + Bonney + Vegapunk
Hype
1. Saturn's entrance
Vs
Kizaru's entrance
Imo Kizaru's entrance hype is superior --- cause he made Luffy nervous combined with Luffy calling him strong.
2. Kizaru is Saturn's bodyguard chosen by the Gorosei themselves
( and bodyguards are usually stronger than the people they protect ? )
3. Awakened Mythical Zoan
Vs
Awakened Light Logia ?
( think Akainu & Kuzan have Awakenings so Kizaru very likely has it )
He very likely has it cause he is extremely close to them imo --- and Kizaru's MF portrayal is arguably slightly better than Kuzan's.
Note that Kizaru's Awakening can only be revealed after Saturn's.
4. The order of fall/defeats :
Think Saturn will fall after Kizaru
It seems debatable
Feats = Kizaru's still superior clearly i think
Portrayal
Rank = Saturn is clearly superior ; Gorosei outrank the Admirals, they are Imu's main subordinates & Admirals are their subordinates
Matchup = Kizaru's superior. Luffy > Sanji + Franky + Bonney + Vegapunk
Hype
1. Saturn's entrance
Vs
Kizaru's entrance
Imo Kizaru's entrance hype is superior --- cause he made Luffy nervous combined with Luffy calling him strong.
2. Kizaru is Saturn's bodyguard chosen by the Gorosei themselves
( and bodyguards are usually stronger than the people they protect ? )
3. Awakened Mythical Zoan
Vs
Awakened Light Logia ?
( think Akainu & Kuzan have Awakenings so Kizaru very likely has it )
He very likely has it cause he is extremely close to them imo --- and Kizaru's MF portrayal is arguably slightly better than Kuzan's.
Note that Kizaru's Awakening can only be revealed after Saturn's.
4. The order of fall/defeats :
Think Saturn will fall after Kizaru
How is Gorosei > Admirals common sense ?
It seems debatable
Feats = Kizaru's still superior clearly i think
Portrayal
Rank = Saturn is clearly superior ; Gorosei outrank the Admirals, they are Imu's main subordinates & Admirals are their subordinates
Matchup = Kizaru's superior. Luffy > Sanji + Franky + Bonney + Vegapunk
Hype
1. Saturn's entrance
Vs
Kizaru's entrance
Imo Kizaru's entrance hype is superior --- cause he made Luffy nervous combined with Luffy calling him strong.
2. Kizaru is Saturn's bodyguard chosen by the Gorosei themselves
( and bodyguards are usually stronger than the people they protect ? )
3. Awakened Mythical Zoan
Vs
Awakened Light Logia ?
( think Akainu & Kuzan have Awakenings so Kizaru very likely has it )
He very likely has it cause he is extremely close to them imo --- and Kizaru's MF portrayal is arguably slightly better than Kuzan's.
Note that Kizaru's Awakening can only be revealed after Saturn's.
4. The order of fall/defeats :
Think Saturn will fall after Kizaru
It seems debatable
Feats = Kizaru's still superior clearly i think
Portrayal
Rank = Saturn is clearly superior ; Gorosei outrank the Admirals, they are Imu's main subordinates & Admirals are their subordinates
Matchup = Kizaru's superior. Luffy > Sanji + Franky + Bonney + Vegapunk
Hype
1. Saturn's entrance
Vs
Kizaru's entrance
Imo Kizaru's entrance hype is superior --- cause he made Luffy nervous combined with Luffy calling him strong.
2. Kizaru is Saturn's bodyguard chosen by the Gorosei themselves
( and bodyguards are usually stronger than the people they protect ? )
3. Awakened Mythical Zoan
Vs
Awakened Light Logia ?
( think Akainu & Kuzan have Awakenings so Kizaru very likely has it )
He very likely has it cause he is extremely close to them imo --- and Kizaru's MF portrayal is arguably slightly better than Kuzan's.
Note that Kizaru's Awakening can only be revealed after Saturn's.
4. The order of fall/defeats :
Think Saturn will fall after Kizaru
Kizaru is just Saturn's commander, that's what makes him his bodyguard.
The bodyguard part was becaaue Saturn was not supposed to do shit as Kizaru was supposed to be fast.
What happened? Kizaru was taken down by Nika and Saturn, the highest of the celestial dragons, had to land on Egghead to take over the mission, with an insane portrayal.
- CP7 and CP8 were sent but they failed to kill Vegapunk
- CP0 was sent but they failed to kill Vegapunk
- Kizaru was sent next but he failed too
- Now Saturn is taking over the mission
CP7 < CP8 < CP0 (Lucci) < Kizaru < Saturn
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Repeating the same things that have already been shut down won’t help you.
- Saturn was always going to set foot on the island. He’s the only one that can override Vegapunk’s authority. That’s irrelevant to individual strength unless you thought Vegapunk was stronger than Sentomaru.
- Bodyguard excuse doesn’t work because of the aforementioned Sentomaru & Vegapunk example.
- Kizaru was momentarily knocked down while Luffy exhausted himself to do so. He’s obviously getting back up, so your attempts to ignore that is just pointless.
Doesn’t do your claims any favour either if Luffy needs 1 round of Gear 5 to KO Saturn but had to run the full gamut with Kizaru and couldn’t do so in comparison.
- And of course, none of anything you’ve listed has a direct relation to strength or is beyond what we’ve seen Kizaru do casually…so I’m still waiting for you to provide this elusive point you keep insisting on that makes Saturn stronger but yet you somehow can’t provide or have convenient amnesia for. Gee…I wonder why that’s the case. /s
Don’t expect the likes of terabyte to save you since they’ve already ran, or MonsterKaido & co who can only like your comments but not provide anything either. That should already tell you something.
It looks like all of Pringles protestations are just rooted in a deep-seated disappointment that ZKK didn’t happen like he hoped.
It’s just all been a roundabout way to circle back to it, and the rest like RebelliousSoma and co are likely in the same boat.
It’s all so pointless because regardless of whatever happens afterwards, it’s already established that Luffy will need at least 2 rounds of Gear 5 to defeat Kizaru for good. Just makes it all the more amusing.
- Saturn was always going to set foot on the island. He’s the only one that can override Vegapunk’s authority. That’s irrelevant to individual strength unless you thought Vegapunk was stronger than Sentomaru.
- Bodyguard excuse doesn’t work because of the aforementioned Sentomaru & Vegapunk example.
- Kizaru was momentarily knocked down while Luffy exhausted himself to do so. He’s obviously getting back up, so your attempts to ignore that is just pointless.
Doesn’t do your claims any favour either if Luffy needs 1 round of Gear 5 to KO Saturn but had to run the full gamut with Kizaru and couldn’t do so in comparison.
- And of course, none of anything you’ve listed has a direct relation to strength or is beyond what we’ve seen Kizaru do casually…so I’m still waiting for you to provide this elusive point you keep insisting on that makes Saturn stronger but yet you somehow can’t provide or have convenient amnesia for. Gee…I wonder why that’s the case. /s
Don’t expect the likes of terabyte to save you since they’ve already ran, or MonsterKaido & co who can only like your comments but not provide anything either. That should already tell you something.
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It looks like all of Pringles protestations are just rooted in a deep-seated disappointment that ZKK didn’t happen like he hoped.
It’s just all been a roundabout way to circle back to it, and the rest like RebelliousSoma and co are likely in the same boat.
It’s all so pointless because regardless of whatever happens afterwards, it’s already established that Luffy will need at least 2 rounds of Gear 5 to defeat Kizaru for good. Just makes it all the more amusing.
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It’s unfortunate then that Pringles claims that what Saturn has already done makes him stronger than Kizaru, so care to take the challenge in his place? Can you name the things that Saturn has shown to make him stronger since Pringles seems to have had amnesia?
Surely you’ll provide something of substance and not the same empty statements, right?
Also, does that “portrayal” also put him above Luffy and the Yonko? Why or why not?
And this one’s just to seal the deal: Do you think that Zoro will fight and defeat Kizaru? What does your reading comprehension tell you about that?
Surely you’ll provide something of substance and not the same empty statements, right?
Also, does that “portrayal” also put him above Luffy and the Yonko? Why or why not?
And this one’s just to seal the deal: Do you think that Zoro will fight and defeat Kizaru? What does your reading comprehension tell you about that?
Man said a whole lot of nothing and thinks he ate
If you want to know why I don't consider the Gorosei to be above Luffy or Kaido at least, re-read Chapter 1044. It's literally spelled out to you that they fear Kaido's wrath and Luffy's awakening. Kizaru, however, clearly answers to Saturn as his boss.
I also don't know where the fuck you pulled Zoro vs Kizaru from, marimo is busy fighting Lucci currently.
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Admiral fans' go-to tactics:
1. Say "Yonkotard"
2. Deliberately misinterpret events to suit their agenda (e.g. "Kizaru one-shot G4 Luffy" and completely ignore how Luffy didn't use ACoC, took damage from the laser barrier and came back moments later with G5)
3. Say "Yonkotard" again
4. Come up with whataboutisms when their trash-ass arguments get debunked
5. Spam the fuck out of "Yonkotard"
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Lmao! You pulled the kindergarten act again! Can’t defend your own claims so you go running to the usual suspects to have them defend you? Come on now…
That’s the only thing embarrassing here…besides your constant running away from providing precisely what Saturn has done to make him stronger. You do realize that that’s just the most blatant sign of having no answer and just being stubborn due to misplaced pride.
You’ve already had a previous claim disproven, but instead of learning anything you’re just doubling down on acting like a petulant child.
Is it my fault for expecting better? Even though it really shouldn’t be that surprising…
It’s unfortunate then that Pringles claims that what Saturn has already done makes him stronger than Kizaru, so care to take the challenge in his place? Can you name the things that Saturn has shown to make him stronger since Pringles seems to have had amnesia?
Surely you’ll provide something of substance and not the same empty statements, right?
Also, does that “portrayal” also put him above Luffy and the Yonko? Why or why not?
And this one’s just to seal the deal: Do you think that Zoro will fight and defeat Kizaru? What does your reading comprehension tell you about that?
That’s the only thing embarrassing here…besides your constant running away from providing precisely what Saturn has done to make him stronger. You do realize that that’s just the most blatant sign of having no answer and just being stubborn due to misplaced pride.
You’ve already had a previous claim disproven, but instead of learning anything you’re just doubling down on acting like a petulant child.
Is it my fault for expecting better? Even though it really shouldn’t be that surprising…
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It’s unfortunate then that Pringles claims that what Saturn has already done makes him stronger than Kizaru, so care to take the challenge in his place? Can you name the things that Saturn has shown to make him stronger since Pringles seems to have had amnesia?
Surely you’ll provide something of substance and not the same empty statements, right?
Also, does that “portrayal” also put him above Luffy and the Yonko? Why or why not?
And this one’s just to seal the deal: Do you think that Zoro will fight and defeat Kizaru? What does your reading comprehension tell you about that?
Holy shit, Admiral fans are genuinely unsalvageable in the intelligence department.
Man said a whole lot of nothing and thinks he ate
If you want to know why I don't consider the Gorosei to be above Luffy or Kaido at least, re-read Chapter 1044. It's literally spelled out to you that they fear Kaido's wrath and Luffy's awakening. Kizaru, however, clearly answers to Saturn as his boss.
I also don't know where the fuck you pulled Zoro vs Kizaru from, marimo is busy fighting Lucci currently.
Admiral fans' go-to tactics:
1. Say "Yonkotard"
2. Deliberately misinterpret events to suit their agenda (e.g. "Kizaru one-shot G4 Luffy" and completely ignore how Luffy didn't use ACoC, took damage from the laser barrier and came back moments later with G5)
3. Say "Yonkotard" again
4. Come up with whataboutisms when their trash-ass arguments get debunked
5. Spam the fuck out of "Yonkotard"
Man said a whole lot of nothing and thinks he ate
If you want to know why I don't consider the Gorosei to be above Luffy or Kaido at least, re-read Chapter 1044. It's literally spelled out to you that they fear Kaido's wrath and Luffy's awakening. Kizaru, however, clearly answers to Saturn as his boss.
I also don't know where the fuck you pulled Zoro vs Kizaru from, marimo is busy fighting Lucci currently.
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Admiral fans' go-to tactics:
1. Say "Yonkotard"
2. Deliberately misinterpret events to suit their agenda (e.g. "Kizaru one-shot G4 Luffy" and completely ignore how Luffy didn't use ACoC, took damage from the laser barrier and came back moments later with G5)
3. Say "Yonkotard" again
4. Come up with whataboutisms when their trash-ass arguments get debunked
5. Spam the fuck out of "Yonkotard"
Since you are unaware: Kizaru serves the WG while Kaido doesn’t.
It’s plain stupidity to expect the Gorosei to respond to a Yonko who doesn’t acknowledge the WG’s authority in the same way as an Admiral that does.
An Admiral has to answer to Celestial Dragons like Charloss. Did you think that Charloss was stronger than Kizaru as well?
You’re off to a terrible start, using the typical silly excuses right off the bat. I shouldn’t even be surprised, but here we are. Having the gall to speak of “intelligence” when you don’t even know what a hierarchy is.
Seems you didn’t even read what Pringles was saying when he called you in to save him. Your associate was saying that Zoro is going to fight and defeat Kizaru. That’s whose claim you’re defending, lmao!
At least it seems that you don’t consider Pringles to have the reading comprehension of a 5 year old either.
And would you look at that: I haven’t said “Yonkotard” once because I’m not a child that gets embroiled in silly agendas.
Get your projection out of here and answer the question (which unsurprisingly you couldn’t do. Gee I wonder why):
What has Saturn done that makes him stronger than Kizaru? Surely you can do better than someone who’s claiming ZKK, right?
Don’t tell me you’ve been struck by the same amnesia?
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The excuses don’t work. You’ve been running away even when I’ve been concise.
Go ahead and answer, I’m still waiting:
- What has Saturn done to make him stronger than Kizaru.
- Why doesn’t Saturn’s teleportation, regeneration, etc make him stronger than Luffy & the Yonko too?
Be concise….although I have a feeling you’ll just run again and beg others for help. So exhausting…
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@terabyte what @BlackLegFring seemingly can't understand is that the Gorosei being superior to the Admirals basically got confirmed but his lack of common sense and being blinded by the admiral agenda is preventing his brain from seeing this or maybe he is just that stupid.
The first argument is narrative as I've told him.
1. York told the WG that Vegapunk was researching the void century and the WG decided to send CP5 to verify this. However, they did not come back.
2. Then, they sent CP7 and CP8 but they did not come back either.
3. As a consequence, the Elders decided to order Vegapunk's assassination.
4. The Elders sent CP0 to take over the mission (Lucci, Kaku) but Vegapunk resisted.
5. The Elders then sent one of their own with Admiral Kizaru as an escort and reinforced their fleet.
6. However, Luffy's crew suddenly appeared as they were going there and this shocked them.
7. In chapter 1090 named after him, Kizaru was sent to take over the mission, while Saturn remained in the ship.
8. However, Luffy prevented that Kizaru achieved his mission and landed a very strong hit on him that incapacitated him (1094).
9. In chapter 1094 named after him, Saturn (highest of the celestial dragons) lands on Egghead in a very impressive manner to take over the mission that Kizaru was taking too much time to achieve.
10. In chapter 1095, we have Kuma's flashback showing how he was a slave to the celestial dragons and saying that Nika will liberate both Bonney and Kuma from their oppression.
What does the narrative clearly tells us? The World Government progressively sent stronger forces to take over Vegapunk.
They first sent CP5, then CP7, then CP8, then CP0, then Kizaru, and finally it was Saturn who went himself there.
This clearly tells us that CP5 < CP7 < CP8 < CP0 < Kizaru < Saturn and clearly tells us that Saturn is stronger than Kizaru.
Additionally, Luffy already took down both Lucci and Kizaru, in a manner that made it clear they were not Luffy's main fights, although it was temporary. Now, he is going to face Saturn, the real villain of the arc, and liberate both Bonney and Kuma. This will be what will shock the entire world.
The second argument is Saturn's power.
For years, the admiral fandom was saying that the Elders were only "administrative agents" and they had no strength or power. Although they were ranked as the highest celestial dragons and were above the Admirals, they were certain that the admirals were the strongest force of not only the navy/marine, but also of the world government. This was funny considering that the Elders themselves said to Akainu, the fleet admiral, that the Navy and Admirals were merely the public face of the World Government.
Then recently, in chapter 1085, we get to experience for the first time the real strength of the Elders. We see in impressive panels the elders transform into monsters that seemed to be mythical zoans.
The admiral fandom was still convinced that the Elders were only fodder characters. They were saying that Saturn, the Elder that was gong to Egghead, was going to face Sanji. They were also saying that Saturn was escorted by Admiral Kizaru so it meant that Kizaru was stronger than Saturn.
Yet, what they did not realize is that Kizaru escorted Saturn because he was the one who was supposed to take care of the mission and Saturn was supposed to remain hidden in the boat.
What happened instead is that Kizaru failed his mission because of Nika and Saturn had to land on Egghead to take over this "slower than usual" mission.
When Saturn landed, we got to experience for the first time the real strength of the Elders. We saw Kizaru appear with an insane demonic pentagram, we saw black lightning that clearly resembled conqueror's haki (which Kizaru did not even reveal), and Saturn made a guy's head explode only with his own glare. We also saw that Saturn had a mythical zoan that seemed to be insanely powerful.
Then in chapter 1095, we saw how Saturn easily paralyzed strong characters like Sanji and Bonney, how he tried to kill Luffy and how he tried to kill everyone else. Kizaru did not even pose a threat that was half of Saturn's.
Through Kuma's flashback, we get to learn that Saturn resembled his present self, implying that he is immortal.
Taken together, all of this destroys what the admiral fans have believed for years. The admirals are merely the public face of the world government and the ones higher than them are stronger and EOS material.
Yet, @BlackLegFring seems to be blinded by his agenda and/or lacking common sense and cannot seem to understand this.
The first argument is narrative as I've told him.
1. York told the WG that Vegapunk was researching the void century and the WG decided to send CP5 to verify this. However, they did not come back.
2. Then, they sent CP7 and CP8 but they did not come back either.
3. As a consequence, the Elders decided to order Vegapunk's assassination.
4. The Elders sent CP0 to take over the mission (Lucci, Kaku) but Vegapunk resisted.
5. The Elders then sent one of their own with Admiral Kizaru as an escort and reinforced their fleet.
6. However, Luffy's crew suddenly appeared as they were going there and this shocked them.
7. In chapter 1090 named after him, Kizaru was sent to take over the mission, while Saturn remained in the ship.
8. However, Luffy prevented that Kizaru achieved his mission and landed a very strong hit on him that incapacitated him (1094).
9. In chapter 1094 named after him, Saturn (highest of the celestial dragons) lands on Egghead in a very impressive manner to take over the mission that Kizaru was taking too much time to achieve.
10. In chapter 1095, we have Kuma's flashback showing how he was a slave to the celestial dragons and saying that Nika will liberate both Bonney and Kuma from their oppression.
What does the narrative clearly tells us? The World Government progressively sent stronger forces to take over Vegapunk.
They first sent CP5, then CP7, then CP8, then CP0, then Kizaru, and finally it was Saturn who went himself there.
This clearly tells us that CP5 < CP7 < CP8 < CP0 < Kizaru < Saturn and clearly tells us that Saturn is stronger than Kizaru.
Additionally, Luffy already took down both Lucci and Kizaru, in a manner that made it clear they were not Luffy's main fights, although it was temporary. Now, he is going to face Saturn, the real villain of the arc, and liberate both Bonney and Kuma. This will be what will shock the entire world.
The second argument is Saturn's power.
For years, the admiral fandom was saying that the Elders were only "administrative agents" and they had no strength or power. Although they were ranked as the highest celestial dragons and were above the Admirals, they were certain that the admirals were the strongest force of not only the navy/marine, but also of the world government. This was funny considering that the Elders themselves said to Akainu, the fleet admiral, that the Navy and Admirals were merely the public face of the World Government.
Then recently, in chapter 1085, we get to experience for the first time the real strength of the Elders. We see in impressive panels the elders transform into monsters that seemed to be mythical zoans.
The admiral fandom was still convinced that the Elders were only fodder characters. They were saying that Saturn, the Elder that was gong to Egghead, was going to face Sanji. They were also saying that Saturn was escorted by Admiral Kizaru so it meant that Kizaru was stronger than Saturn.
Yet, what they did not realize is that Kizaru escorted Saturn because he was the one who was supposed to take care of the mission and Saturn was supposed to remain hidden in the boat.
What happened instead is that Kizaru failed his mission because of Nika and Saturn had to land on Egghead to take over this "slower than usual" mission.
When Saturn landed, we got to experience for the first time the real strength of the Elders. We saw Kizaru appear with an insane demonic pentagram, we saw black lightning that clearly resembled conqueror's haki (which Kizaru did not even reveal), and Saturn made a guy's head explode only with his own glare. We also saw that Saturn had a mythical zoan that seemed to be insanely powerful.
Then in chapter 1095, we saw how Saturn easily paralyzed strong characters like Sanji and Bonney, how he tried to kill Luffy and how he tried to kill everyone else. Kizaru did not even pose a threat that was half of Saturn's.
Through Kuma's flashback, we get to learn that Saturn resembled his present self, implying that he is immortal.
Taken together, all of this destroys what the admiral fans have believed for years. The admirals are merely the public face of the world government and the ones higher than them are stronger and EOS material.
Yet, @BlackLegFring seems to be blinded by his agenda and/or lacking common sense and cannot seem to understand this.
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Again, get those weak ass excuses outta here! And to have the audacity to talk about being concise.
1. The narrative excuse doesn’t work when it’s just based on your silly hopes and wishes, not anything concrete.
It’s pointless anyway because: (1) anyone can make empty claims about narrative, (2) it doesn’t necessitate how individual characters measure up to each other in strength.
Easy example: based on narrative, do you think that Dragon is stronger than all the Yonko since he’s viewed as a greater threat by the WG and will be shown in action later?
2. It’s also pointless since by that very same reasoning the Gorosei would just be over the Yonko as well. But Lo and behold! You didn’t say that…I wonder why. It’s obviously just your silly agenda.
3. Saying they sent progressively stronger forces is just a transparently silly attempt to twist things.
Saturn and Kizaru went together. Saturn had the overall authority and only stepped on the island when Kizaru was busy dealing with Luffy and eventually exhausted him and cut off their escape route.
Regardless of what happened, Saturn was always going to enter the scene after Kizaru, regardless of whether he’s stronger or weaker…so using that as an excuse is just silly. Even more so if Kizaru’s awakening is shown after Saturn’s.
4. Unfortunately for you, trying to cut things short won’t work. Kizaru was only momentarily knocked down and will obviously be getting up. Luffy fighting and defeating Saturn with 1 round of Gear 5 doesn’t even change anything or make him stronger than Kizaru whom Luffy couldn’t KO with the entire gamut of his powers.
5. You’re just repeating the same nonsense as if it would get better each time.
- Teleporting with a pentagram
- Trying to kill a defenceless Luffy
- Speculating that the lightning the soldiers were talking about is CoC
- bloodying the head of fodder
- attacking Bonney & Sanji
- immobilizing them with his powers
Not a single one of those makes Saturn stronger than Kizaru. Besides specific non-combat applications, none of it is beyond what Kizaru could do either. Kizaru has also shown beyond as well.
So again, all of that just to say nothing new and try the same tired excuses that have been addressed multiple times already. It’s like your goal is to just waste my time pointlessly.
Have anything better to offer? Rather than continuing to beg others for emotional support and repeating the same stuff as if I’d forget I already answered them? Lmao!
1. The narrative excuse doesn’t work when it’s just based on your silly hopes and wishes, not anything concrete.
It’s pointless anyway because: (1) anyone can make empty claims about narrative, (2) it doesn’t necessitate how individual characters measure up to each other in strength.
Easy example: based on narrative, do you think that Dragon is stronger than all the Yonko since he’s viewed as a greater threat by the WG and will be shown in action later?
2. It’s also pointless since by that very same reasoning the Gorosei would just be over the Yonko as well. But Lo and behold! You didn’t say that…I wonder why. It’s obviously just your silly agenda.
3. Saying they sent progressively stronger forces is just a transparently silly attempt to twist things.
Saturn and Kizaru went together. Saturn had the overall authority and only stepped on the island when Kizaru was busy dealing with Luffy and eventually exhausted him and cut off their escape route.
Regardless of what happened, Saturn was always going to enter the scene after Kizaru, regardless of whether he’s stronger or weaker…so using that as an excuse is just silly. Even more so if Kizaru’s awakening is shown after Saturn’s.
4. Unfortunately for you, trying to cut things short won’t work. Kizaru was only momentarily knocked down and will obviously be getting up. Luffy fighting and defeating Saturn with 1 round of Gear 5 doesn’t even change anything or make him stronger than Kizaru whom Luffy couldn’t KO with the entire gamut of his powers.
5. You’re just repeating the same nonsense as if it would get better each time.
- Teleporting with a pentagram
- Trying to kill a defenceless Luffy
- Speculating that the lightning the soldiers were talking about is CoC
- bloodying the head of fodder
- attacking Bonney & Sanji
- immobilizing them with his powers
Not a single one of those makes Saturn stronger than Kizaru. Besides specific non-combat applications, none of it is beyond what Kizaru could do either. Kizaru has also shown beyond as well.
So again, all of that just to say nothing new and try the same tired excuses that have been addressed multiple times already. It’s like your goal is to just waste my time pointlessly.
Have anything better to offer? Rather than continuing to beg others for emotional support and repeating the same stuff as if I’d forget I already answered them? Lmao!
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Ah…the last desperate resort of the senseless. “I’m not going to read it because I have no possible response.”
Only a child would think that isn’t transparent as hell.
All you’ve done is try and failed. You tried to call in help from the usual suspects not knowing that they had nothing better to offer.
The best terabyte could do was try to pretend that the Gorosei should treat a pirate against them and an Admiral for them the same way.
Feel free to run, but it’s just an admittance you made an empty claim that you couldn’t back up. What a surprise.
The only embarrassment is the same as it always is: Yonko fans and the same old tired, silly double standards that even the mods acknowledge. It’s just objective to any and all.
- Zoro or Sanji will defeat Kizaru alone
- Uh…Zoro & Sanji will do it together.
- Oh…um…Luffy will defeat him in base.
- Ok…Luffy will do it in Gear 4, he won’t need Gear 5.
- Well…Luffy will KO him in the next chapter now that he’s in Gear 5.
This is all in the current arc, so there’s not even any excuses for posterity. Spouting one bit of nonsense after the other then having the audacity to even mutter the words “sense” or “intelligence” as if they weren’t your mortal enemies to begin with.
Like I said, so exhausting. And it’s been the same crap for years on end.
Then it’s just useless attempts to pretend that they never said any rubbish…that they never claimed 1 Yonko could beat all 3 Admirals at the same time and then some…or that 1 Yonko crew is equivalent to the Navy & Warlords…or that the Admirals were equivalent or weaker than Commanders. Never seen such clownery!!
Only a child would think that isn’t transparent as hell.
All you’ve done is try and failed. You tried to call in help from the usual suspects not knowing that they had nothing better to offer.
The best terabyte could do was try to pretend that the Gorosei should treat a pirate against them and an Admiral for them the same way.
Feel free to run, but it’s just an admittance you made an empty claim that you couldn’t back up. What a surprise.
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The only embarrassment is the same as it always is: Yonko fans and the same old tired, silly double standards that even the mods acknowledge. It’s just objective to any and all.
- Zoro or Sanji will defeat Kizaru alone
- Uh…Zoro & Sanji will do it together.
- Oh…um…Luffy will defeat him in base.
- Ok…Luffy will do it in Gear 4, he won’t need Gear 5.
- Well…Luffy will KO him in the next chapter now that he’s in Gear 5.
This is all in the current arc, so there’s not even any excuses for posterity. Spouting one bit of nonsense after the other then having the audacity to even mutter the words “sense” or “intelligence” as if they weren’t your mortal enemies to begin with.
Like I said, so exhausting. And it’s been the same crap for years on end.
Then it’s just useless attempts to pretend that they never said any rubbish…that they never claimed 1 Yonko could beat all 3 Admirals at the same time and then some…or that 1 Yonko crew is equivalent to the Navy & Warlords…or that the Admirals were equivalent or weaker than Commanders. Never seen such clownery!!
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