Monkey D Dragon = kaido the man that ate the seiryu aka dragon fruit
Kuma king of sorbet kingdom and part of an extinct race = alber aka king
Ivankov queen of Kamabakka kingdom and specializes in body modification = queen aka we don’t know his real name
Sabo = Yamato with both basically being the ace of their group, successors to their captains, and likely have similar fighting styles to them on top of that
There are similar individual's but Sabo is clearly King's counterpart. Official seconds of the crew, strongests after their captains, and not their leader's son.
That, coupled with Dragon's fruit being unknown (and certainly not the same as Kaido's) makes it so only the Ivankov and Queen parallel's stands, and even then they don't really share rank, as Ivankov is tied in rank with 4 other people (Morley, Karasu and company) unlike being a clear number 2.
Very similar. At the moment Kaido seem to have had a deeper crew though (not necessarily stronger individually) with the top 4 arguably being very close in power level.
Jack & Apoo > No known equivalent
6 Tobi Roppo > 4 Blue commanders
Headliners (incl Hawkins) > No known equivalent
30.000 men - No known equivalent
There are similar individual's but Sabo is clearly King's counterpart. Official seconds of the crew, strongests after their captains, and not their leader's son.
That, coupled with Dragon's fruit being unknown (and certainly not the same as Kaido's) makes it so only the Ivankov and Queen parallel's stands, and even then they don't really share rank, as Ivankov is tied in rank with 4 other people (Morley, Karasu and company) unlike being a clear number 2.
Oden is the only man to be called little brother instead of son.
Alber was hand picked by Kaido and bestowed the title of King.
We are about to see Kumas position before doing his special mission but we know he was a literal King (same pattern as Hell King Zoro, Dark King Rayleigh, "King" Alber).
Sabo - Ace - Yamato are the Aces. Groomed to become new captains in due time.
There are similar individual's but Sabo is clearly King's counterpart. Official seconds of the crew, strongests after their captains, and not their leader's son.
That, coupled with Dragon's fruit being unknown (and certainly not the same as Kaido's) makes it so only the Ivankov and Queen parallel's stands, and even then they don't really share rank, as Ivankov is tied in rank with 4 other people (Morley, Karasu and company) unlike being a clear number 2.
No sabo isn’t
Kuma and ivankov were dragons right and left hand men or his 1 and 2 back in the day. Kuma is even part of an extinct race and was a literal king
Very similar. At the moment Kaido seem to have had a deeper crew though (not necessarily stronger individually) with the top 4 arguably being very close in power level.
Jack & Apoo > No known equivalent
6 Tobi Roppo > 4 Blue commanders
Headliners (incl Hawkins) > No known equivalent
30.000 men - No known equivalent
Very similar. At the moment Kaido seem to have had a deeper crew though (not necessarily stronger individually) with the top 4 arguably being very close in power level.
Jack & Apoo > No known equivalent
6 Tobi Roppo > 4 Blue commanders
Headliners (incl Hawkins) > No known equivalent
30.000 men - No known equivalent
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Sabo is clearly Yamatos counterpart and Aces.
Oden - King - Kuma are the right hand men.
Oden is the only man to be called little brother instead of son.
Alber was hand picked by Kaido and bestowed the title of King.
We are about to see Kumas position before doing his special mission but we know he was a literal King (same pattern as Hell King Zoro, Dark King Rayleigh, "King" Alber).
Sabo - Ace - Yamato are the Aces. Groomed to become new captains in due time.
There are similar individual's but Sabo is clearly King's counterpart. Official seconds of the crew, strongests after their captains, and not their leader's son.
That, coupled with Dragon's fruit being unknown (and certainly not the same as Kaido's) makes it so only the Ivankov and Queen parallel's stands, and even then they don't really share rank, as Ivankov is tied in rank with 4 other people (Morley, Karasu and company) unlike being a clear number 2.
Very similar. At the moment Kaido seem to have had a deeper crew though (not necessarily stronger individually) with the top 4 arguably being very close in power level.
Jack & Apoo > No known equivalent
6 Tobi Roppo > 4 Blue commanders
Headliners (incl Hawkins) > No known equivalent
30.000 men - No known equivalent
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Sabo is clearly Yamatos counterpart and Aces.
Oden - King - Kuma are the right hand men.
Oden is the only man to be called little brother instead of son.
Alber was hand picked by Kaido and bestowed the title of King.
We are about to see Kumas position before doing his special mission but we know he was a literal King (same pattern as Hell King Zoro, Dark King Rayleigh, "King" Alber).
Sabo - Ace - Yamato are the Aces. Groomed to become new captains in due time.
No sabo isn’t
Kuma and ivankov were dragons right and left hand men or his 1 and 2 back in the day. Kuma is even part of an extinct race and was a literal king
Eh I don’t think every single member needs an equivalent
If you talk about "back in the day", Sabo wasn't in the crew, if you talk about when the manga actually takes place, Kuma isn't in the crew, and Sabo is number 2.
You can't have all the parallels at the same time.
- flying flaming bird like Marco
- Dark leather theme like Kata
- Hiding his face like Kata
- Slave, scientific project and extinct race like Kuma
- Sword and bad guy like Shiryu
- For Ben it’s more of a reach : same hair ?
- flying flaming bird like Marco
- Dark leather theme like Kata
- Hiding his face like Kata
- Slave, scientific project and extinct race like Kuma
- Sword and bad guy like Shiryu
- For Ben it’s more of a reach : same hair ?
Monkey D Dragon = kaido the man that ate the seiryu aka dragon fruit
Kuma king of sorbet kingdom and part of an extinct race = alber aka king
Ivankov queen of Kamabakka kingdom and specializes in body modification = queen aka we don’t know his real name
Sabo = Yamato with both basically being the ace of their group, successors to their captains, and likely have similar fighting styles to them on top of that
- flying flaming bird like Marco
- Dark leather theme like Kata
- Hiding his face like Kata
- Slave, scientific project and extinct race like Kuma
- Sword and bad guy like Shiryu
- For Ben it’s more of a reach : same hair ?
If you talk about "back in the day", Sabo wasn't in the crew, if you talk about when the manga actually takes place, Kuma isn't in the crew, and Sabo is number 2.
You can't have all the parallels at the same time.
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Either you don't consider Yamato part of the crew, which to be honest she isn't to me, or you acknowledge King is stronger than Yamato.
I know there are some similarities, but they aren't parallels: I don't exactly see Yamato taking over Orochi's role as an equivalent of Sabo actually being Dragon's successor, and on top of that she didn't even allow it to happen.
One's a puppet that was never part of the crew's hierarchy and idolized the enemies, actually joining them to fight the Beasts Pirates, while the other actually became second in command and loves his leader, making him just a YC1 from the moment Kuma left the revs years ago, with the only thing tying him to Yamato being that he shares some moves with his respective leader.
I know there are some similarities, but they aren't parallels: I don't exactly see Yamato taking over Orochi's role as an equivalent of Sabo actually being Dragon's successor, and on top of that she didn't even allow it to happen.
One's a puppet that was never part of the crew's hierarchy and idolized the enemies, actually joining them to fight the Beasts Pirates, while the other actually became second in command and loves his leader, making him just a YC1 from the moment Kuma left the revs years ago, with the only thing tying him to Yamato being that he shares some moves with his respective leader.
Yamato will still successfully achieve what kaido couldn’t in wano. Not wanting to be a member doesn’t stop the fact Yamato parallels both ace and oden of the whitebeard pirates. Same way it doesn’t stop them from paralleling sabo
None of them are carbon copies of each other. Them having clear and intentional similarities doesn’t make them the same character in every way.
Yamato will still successfully achieve what kaido couldn’t in wano. Not wanting to be a member doesn’t stop the fact Yamato parallels both ace and oden of the whitebeard pirates. Same way it doesn’t stop them from paralleling sabo
None of them are carbon copies of each other. Them having clear and intentional similarities doesn’t make them the same character in every way.
The only real parallel of the other three coupled together is starting as little children in a crew full of adults and apparently having preferential treatment.
They don't have to be carbon copies to be parallels, but exactly opposite just one or two similarities stretched don't make a parallel when their situation is very different.
The only real parallel of the other three coupled together is starting as little children in a crew full of adults and apparently having preferential treatment.
They don't have to be carbon copies to be parallels, but exactly opposite just one or two similarities stretched don't make a parallel when their situation is very different.
Yamato goes by oden and is/would be essentially the ace card of the beast pirates
And ignoring the other similarities between them and the other members I listed doesn’t stop them from existing
Kuma and Alber don’t become less of a parallel because you don’t like it
Yamato goes by oden and is/would be essentially the ace card of the beast pirates
And ignoring the other similarities between them and the other members I listed doesn’t stop them from existing
Kuma and Alber don’t become less of a parallel because you don’t like it
Yamato being a cosplayer of Oden does not make her his parallel in any sort of way.
Who said anything about what I like or dislike? I have no emotional weight on this. Kuma may have been his parallel on the distant past, but not during the events of the story. As it's evident by the direction of the exchange I was mostly criticizing your claims on Sabo and Yamato, which have now extended over to your claims on Ace and Oden.
Nobody's ignoring similiarities, I have explicitly acknowledged every similiarity you have pointed out (except your headcanons like Sabo's CoC) but rejected that they're parallels based on said similarities being feeble and their roles actually being almost complete opposites. There is a whole area between being opposites and carbon copies. It's cool that you're looking for similarities, some are there, but narratively that alone doesn't make them parallels.
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