Speculations If Kid manages to hurt Kaido,does this mean...

[HA001]

We dnt know he didn’t hurt him the first time... U didn’t answer my question tho. If Kid has at least barrier haki, that scarp metal should hurt Kaido right??

I already said yes thats how it works
Luffy had to be taught it kidd wouldnt just have it.
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Its also possible that even with Ryou, Kid lacked the attack power to do shit. Which is why he packing all that metal rn. Dont think Luffy wouldve hurt Kaido enough with anything less that G3 rn

But the ryou is the fulcrum
luffy just dogged kaido with a g3 move after a load of g4 attacks did nothing

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

But it doesnt matter killer with all that fighting and experience like kidd got bodied by zoro who was jus training like luffy
zoro flexed on him:cheers:

Don’t get me wrong, I’m taking full power Zoro over full power Killer 9 times out of 10, but all I’m saying is Killer will prove to be much more impressive than when he was Kamazou. You’re sleeping on the guy Kidd calls partner.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

Dont sleep on killer hes fought everyone by kidds side including kaido

Killer gonna put in that work fosho, Zoro took him down before he got to show what he could really do

 

[Zowo]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m taking full power Zoro over full power Killer 9 times out of 10, but all I’m saying is Killer will prove to be much more impressive than when he was Kamazou. You’re sleeping on the guy Kidd calls partner.

I m not sleeping on him he def gonna damage the yonko i see him and kidd having ryou

 

[Mr. Anderson]

But the ryou is the fulcrum
luffy just dogged kaido with a g3 move after a load of g4 attacks did nothing

I agree, I think Kid has Ryou.

But in his case, he had the fulcrum, just didnt hit hard enough. Ofc this is speculation, we dont know what actually happened

 

[Ichiro Miyata]

No lol.Luffy's inability to damage the Kaido had nothing to do with power.

 

[HA001]

Killer gonna put in that work fosho, Zoro took him down before he got to show what he could really do

I dont think its debatable anymore that these are the top dogs of the supernova with killer 5th strongest. Oda made that clear

 

[Trafalgar_D_Law]

I already said yes thats how it works
Luffy had to be taught it kidd wouldnt just have it.

Why not? Kid not luffy/Zoro, he could’ve been taught or just knew ryou prior to wano. Nothing about that goes against the story. We aren’t given any indication Kid can, or can’t hurt Kaido to tho. only that they’ve fought. So it stands to reason he believes what he’s doing will work.

It’s a Kids manga Oda doesn’t have to actually justify why Kid has it. It already doesn’t make sense luffy has either Advanced haki.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Its also possible that even with Ryou, Kid lacked the attack power to do shit. Which is why he packing all that metal rn. Dont think Luffy wouldve hurt Kaido enough with anything less that G3 rn

The thing people can't understand is that
Having ryuo isn't all

Its about AP + Ryuo

Kidd perhaps always had ryuo but he lacked enough metals and thus his AP was weaker
Just like retainers have ryuo but failed because of lower AP compared to Oden

 

[Haoshoku]

Basically what @ReggieZoldyck21 said.

We already know this is the case:

Spoiler

And we know that Kid has been fighting night and day in the New World. Growth from experience is a thing in One Piece and it applies very much to Kid. So Luffy hasn’t been “catching up this entire time” like Kid just randomly stagnated where he currently is right now for the past two years, that doesn’t make sense.

Following that logic, Kid has evidently also seen some growth from when he last fought Kaido considering his level of confidence going into things this time around. He has something up his sleeve that will turn the tables.

 

[Fujishiro]

Hello guys,Happy new year to everyone.

So it may be a bit premature but if Kid manages to hurt Kaido/Big mom without any interference from the 4 other sn, does this mean Kid was already stronger than Post Wci Luffy?

Kid doesn't have many feats to speak of nor any great achievements as of now,the only thing noteworthy he did postskip is fighting the emperors and getting seemingly destroyed but since being destroyed is no feat,it really doesn't distinguish him from Post Wci luffy .

Now Kid was at Udon and did some sea stone training but many believe it couldn't have made him jump many tiers and certainly did not give him the means to hurt Kaido

If Kid manages to hurt Kaido/Big mom on his own in the upcoming chapters,does this mean Kid was superior to Luffy from the timeskip and Luffy was just catching up?

Did sea stone training made him jump 3+tiers?
NB: I deliberately ommited Law and Killer because their limits were somehow shown before this raid,Kid and Zoro not but Kid wasn't shown finding a means to hurt Kaido in his training.


Thoughts?

Yes, and the question isnt if. It's when.

Because he will hurt him.

So will Killer. Otherwise no reason for the to be there.
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Im being serious that wasnt a sarcastic point or anything, you said hes fought kaido and has a plan and thats fine but that exchange doesnt show that. Not to mention stronger force does nothing to kaido if theirs no ryou which opens another can of worms. I guess we will see soon enough.

Kidd has Coa 3.0, im willing to bet my account on it.

 

[Finalbeta]

The Scabbards can scratch a Kaido who is not coating hinself with CoA haki.

Kidd *should* be able to at least scratch a Kaido who is this time coating hinself with CoA haki.

Based off character portrayal and not much more for now.

 

[Fuckthis3]

Then he FINALLY GOT A FEAT THAT AIN'T UNLESS good for him and his fans but will it be better than luffy and zoro and law? :zorothink:

 

[ReggieZoldyck21]

Then he FINALLY GOT A FEAT THAT AIN'T UNLESS good for him and his fans but will it be better than luffy and zoro and law? :zorothink:

Lmao. Can we ever have a Kidd thread without someone coming in and saying, “But he won’t outshine Luffy or Zoro though.”? You know damn well what you’re trying to start with your comment lol.

 

[Fuckthis3]

Lmao. Can we ever have a Kidd thread without someone coming in and saying, “But he won’t outshine Luffy or Zoro though.”? You know damn well what you’re trying to start with your comment lol.

I aint trying start nun hell even yall kid fans think he goin equal luffy in this fight so it really no difference

 

[Jo_Ndule]

The contrast between kidd and Luffy

I believe Kidd is dragging metals because he failed to inflict damage due to lack of AP
While Luffy had the AP(G4) but lacked the Haki control to inflict damage that's why he trained his CoA
And Law already has hax abilities to hurt kaido.

Luffy --> Ryuo/Adcoa was missing (lethality)
Kidd ---> firepower (AP) was lacking
Law ---> hax, has lethality already via GK and so.

 

[HA001]

The contrast between kidd and Luffy

I believe Kidd is dragging metals because he failed to inflict damage due to lack of AP
While Luffy had the AP(G4) but lacked the Haki control to inflict damage that's why he trained his CoA
And Law already has hax abilities to hurt kaido.

Luffy --> Ryuo/Adcoa was missing (lethality)
Kidd ---> firepower (AP) was lacking
Law ---> hax, has lethality already via GK and so.

Zoro - oden level ryou and ap

 

[Finalbeta]

The contrast between kidd and Luffy

I believe Kidd is dragging metals because he failed to inflict damage due to lack of AP
While Luffy had the AP(G4) but lacked the Haki control to inflict damage that's why he trained his CoA
And Law already has hax abilities to hurt kaido.

Luffy --> Ryuo/Adcoa was missing (lethality)
Kidd ---> firepower (AP) was lacking
Law ---> hax, has lethality already via GK and so.

We don't know the extent of Law's efficiency against Kaido so that's bold my man.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

We don't know the extent of Law's efficiency against Kaido so that's bold my man.

Isnt that difficult to guess, if he relies on gamma knife he pretty much has easy ways to deal damage

 

[Finalbeta]

Isnt that difficult to guess, if he relies on gamma knife he pretty much has easy ways to deal damage

That's the point.

Can GK kill the yonko?
Can GK hurt them?

I would say only the second allegedly, mostly due their extremely durable bodies, unless Oda wants GK to bypass any kind of defence, but the extent is not clear in the former case and then again this is speculation. Law should not possess advanced haki, which is a pain. So let's see if basic haki is alone sufficient to consistently hurt the yonko when hax is in play too.