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How strong is current koby and helmeppo


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#21
Pre-timeskip Smoker at the very best - and that's being very, very generous.

You guys are MASSIVELY overrating both of them.

Even Smoker, who was way stronger than both of them and had a significant growth himself (learning CoA and CoA, being promoted to VA etc.) is clearly not in the league of the top or even higher tier fighters right now.

Now we're talking about two dudes, who are still two steps behind even VA level, which Oda basically confirmed, once he corrected Coby's text box in the actual volume (still only a captain and not even a rear admiral).

Anyone thinking that those dudes, who were complete and utter fodder pre-skip (one-shot material to even base pre-skip Luffy) are now suddenly tobi-roppo material - fighters that even current Sanji etc. have to fight serious against - has lost their mind.


Dude, you are really smoking crack ...
Do you think they will remain fodder till EOS ?
 
#29
Coby imo will be very relevant in the arc where Luffy and co go to rescue Sabo in Marijoa. Oda has already set a good part of it: Sabo captured(?) Boa so we will have him and Boa as well, there will be Vivi too most likely, maybe reveal of Greenbull and who knows, it is also a good arc to finally show Vegapunk (given that Sabo originally go there to free Kuma) amyway Sabo to be relevant has at the very least to be in YC range, if he is just a veteran/tobi roppo Luffy and co will leave him in the dust. Also it will probably start to set up Coby as future rival for Luffy (but probably that will be for after the series end, maybe in a flashforward at the end of the manga). So stronger than what you put in the list.

About Helmeppo he never get any real care from Oda so he will be at best an helper of Coby but far from his level. At best I see him as a veteran or tobi roppo but that is difficult.
 
#32
Pre-timeskip Smoker at the very best - and that's being very, very generous.

You guys are MASSIVELY overrating both of them.

Even Smoker, who was way stronger than both of them and had a significant growth himself (learning CoA and CoA, being promoted to VA etc.) is clearly not in the league of the top or even higher tier fighters right now.

Now we're talking about two dudes, who are still two steps behind even VA level, which Oda basically confirmed, once he corrected Coby's text box in the actual volume (still only a captain and not even a rear admiral).

Anyone thinking that those dudes, who were complete and utter fodder pre-skip (one-shot material to even base pre-skip Luffy) are now suddenly tobi-roppo material - fighters that even current Sanji etc. have to fight serious against - has lost their mind.


Dude, you are really smoking crack ...
Pretime skip smoker didn't have haki though. Or a means to defend himself. Beside coby also has a speed advantage and observation advantage against pretime skip smoker.

Also need to take into consideration that koby is a marine hq captain that has been fighting pirates in the new world. A place way more dangerous than the north blue etc etc.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#34
around the weakest flying 6 level ~ around page one level. i think X Drake is the strongest of the F6. Sasaki was happy that drake wasn't competing for calamity position. who's who confront him 1 on 1 but rather ganged up on drake together with queen.
 
#37
around the weakest flying 6 level ~ around page one level. i think X Drake is the strongest of the F6. Sasaki was happy that drake wasn't competing for calamity position. who's who confront him 1 on 1 but rather ganged up on drake together with queen.
The problem with this statement is who are the weakest flying 6 members?

Sasaki was damaging general franky which is made out of wapo metal

Pageone in both anime and manga was never even hinted at being defeated by raid suit sanji. He also took luffys gear 3 elephant gun and barely even took damage. And this was his full zoan form. Hell dude had to be taken out by a coated coC punch from a yonko

Ulti literally at one point even made luffy think about using gear 4. She also got up a few chapters later from bigmoms Lazer canon that was the combination of 3 of her homies including one that was recently created that was much stronger than Zeus. Got up and had to be taken out again by Zeus.

Who's Who is a prodigy stated at having the same potential as Rob Lucci

Black Maria had sanji calling her daddy and mommy

Drake is arguably the strongest of the flying 6
 
#38
I think Koby is at least in Drake's ballpark. Maybe lower CoA and physical stats. Koby probably has better CoO though. Oda went out of his way to highlight Koby's CoO. Helmeppo unsure. His CoO is at least a full tier or two below Koby's.
 
#40
I think Koby is at least in Drake's ballpark. Maybe lower CoA and physical stats. Koby probably has better CoO though. Oda went out of his way to highlight Koby's CoO. Helmeppo unsure. His CoO is at least a full tier or two below Koby's.
Agreed. I think koby actually specializes in speed and observation haki while drake is more durable with more raw strength.

Would not be surprised if koby knows advanced ryou to compensate for the fact that his attacks aren't as hard hitting against the strong tiers of the new world. For example a ryou enhanced rokogun
 
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