Who is Stronger?


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yeah but Kaido got this significant nerfes, so much of them, and still a big mum en par with him will be beaten by Kid.

so if
Kaido = Linlin
Kaido - Massive Nerf =< Luffy
Linlin >= Kid - Hard Nerf

then Kid > Linlin = Kaido > Luffy

we don’t know how long Hawkins had these dolls of kid and it obviously seems like they bring up permanent pressure on him. So how long has this man been nerfed and still went for the Yonkos head?
Kinda Rock Lee fallen weights situation.
You think kidd > Luffy :seriously:

Nah if BM gets defeated plain and square no BFR then Kaido >> BM
 
--Oda needed -- Scabbards to weaken kaido + PIS as in Kaido using dragon form + SN's attacks + Plus Yamato who herself has Adv coc + Mythical zoan with good defense and ice abilites + Giving luffy two power ups + Having kaido carry an island which takes away his stamina to defeat kaido

--Now BM is portrayed as peer of kaido and she barely taken any attacks on roof top so I am not sure even with powerups (as in adv coc for kidd) how they will/can defeat BM

--This simply means BM is significantly weaker than Kaido which I doubt will be the case
But Luffy vs Kaido is 1v1

While Kid and Law vs Big Mom is 1v2

Hence the balance
 
yeah but Kaido got this significant nerfes, so much of them, and still a big mum en par with him will be beaten by Kid.

so if
Kaido = Linlin
Kaido - Massive Nerf =< Luffy
Linlin >= Kid - Hard Nerf

then Kid > Linlin = Kaido > Luffy

we don’t know how long Hawkins had these dolls of kid and it obviously seems like they bring up permanent pressure on him. So how long has this man been nerfed and still went for the Yonkos head?
Kinda Rock Lee fallen weights situation.
Luffy is fighting Kaido 1vs1 equally. Luffy is currently more fatigued than Kaido due to having been knocked out multiple times, he is said to be barely standing.
Kid isn't beating BM anyway, but skipping over the fact that Kid is in a 2vs1 against BM to scale him over Luffy is laughable.
 
9 scarbards+5SN+yamato = vegeta +gohan +picolo+krilin vs freezer
Luffy new gear vs kaido awake form= goku super sayan vs freezer 100%
Luffy will beat kaido in 1v1:kayneshrug::cheers:
 
It's interesting we never actually saw on panel Sanji putting on the RS the 2nd time around
The first time was against P1 then he fled and was in the women's bath with it still on.

He took it off before Yasu's death.

Then he put it on again when he went to save Momo.

I could be wrong though those are the only times he wore it during Wano.
 

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You can't win
Killer is a smart and pure assassin with hugely lethal abilities
> Used Hawkins' ability against himself
> Lethality allowing him to be one of the few to slice off a character's arm on panel
> Aims for the vitals(went for Hawkins' head for the finishing move, also did the same at the beginning against Kaido, denting his neck's durability a bit)
> Possess sonic moves, with huge area of effect and allowing him to bypass even Kaido's durability, damaging him in the process

With how fast and lethal Killer is, he can finish characters with normal durability in one hit
 
The whole deity mystery could get hold back till the end of story. But this also means Killer has a lot of room to awaken his smile and become Fenrir!

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Killer is a smart and pure assassin with hugely lethal abilities
> Used Hawkins' ability against himself
> Lethality allowing him to be one of the few to slice off a character's arm on panel
> Aims for the vitals(went for Hawkins' head for the finishing move, also did the same at the beginning against Kaido, denting his beck's durability a bit)
> Possess sonic moves, with huge area of effect and allowing him to bypass even Kaido's durability, damaging him in the process

With how fast and lethal Killer is, he can finish characters with normal durability in one hit
Facts :cheers:
 
I mean, zoro definitely has feats that put him above killer law and Kid so far atleast

And sanji is definitely stronger than killer
Zoro and Sanji will become stronger than everyone except Luffy eventually, maybe by the time this arc ends. But so far, that's not the case.


Sanji had so far been nerfed post timeskip. Only now Oda has started giving him some serious powerups. And Zoro has only fought fodders post timeskip (yeah, Monet and Pika are fodders in the bigger scheme of things). Despite all the fan boys hyping him up, he got wrecked on rooftop and is only alive because of plot armor and senzu bean.

Kid has taken several high power attacks from both Kaido and Big Mom, been beaten up but never needed a senzu bean.

Law's devil fruit is broken and for Zoro to go above him, he will have to develop his conqueror's even more. He has only just realised he even may have conqueror's, forget about learning to properly use it. Though he will learn it pretty fast now, because of the plot. But it hasnt happened so far.


Anyone who disagrees, here have a senzu bean 🌰 that looks like shit because i cant find the right emoji.
:goyea:
 
No, just saying that

Kid + Law >>> Luffy alone, that's why Kaido needed to be nerfed
That is wrong assumption first

And no let me explain for last time -- This is for you too kidd fans

All the attacks kaido took so Far --

-Get cut by Kiku in the hand
-Get pierced together by Ashura,Kinemon,Denjiro in the stomach(Attack Sunachii)
-Crush with full force into the ground
-Get cut in mouth by Kinemon Foxfire Style Flamerend
-Take a attack from Nekomamushi´s Crimson Cat Dance
-Get cut by Kawamatsu´s River of sea
-Get pierced by Inuarashi´s Canine Scourge
-Get cut by Okiku´s Fallen Snow Scythes
-Get cut by Izo´s Slicing rounds
-Take his own boro breath by Raizo counter attack:Scrolling Jutsu Restoration
-Get cut by a combinate attack Paradise Totsuka(Group attack of Kinemon,Denjiro,Ashura and Inuarashi)
-Get pierced by Denjiro in the left body side
-Get punched by Luffy G3 Red Roc(Adv penetration haki)
- Take damage by Zoro´s Purgatory Onigiri
- Take damage by Killer´s Beheading Claws
- Get punched by Luffy G4 Kong gun
- Get squash by Kidßs Punk Vise
- Get attacked by Law Takt via throwing sharp stones at him
- Get punched by Luffy Kong Rifle
- Get hit by Kid Gibson slam
- Take Law´s Gammaknife who was pointed against his heart
- Tank Killer´s Sonic Scythe(internal damage)
- Get kicked by Luffy rio schneider
- Get punched by Luffy Kong Gatling
- Get cut by Zoro Tatsumaki
- Infection shoot by Law
-Get a hit by Law infection shoot
-Get cut by Zoro adv CoC Ashura
-Get punched by Luffy adv CoC+adv CoA in stomach
-Get punched uppercut by Luffy adv CoC+adv CoA
-Tank Yamato adv CoC Thunder bague
-Tank Yamato Himoro Giri
-Get cut by Yamato slice attack
-Get punched by Luffy Snakeman adv CoC Jet Culverin
-In combo he also tank Yamato adv CoC White Snake Rush who attack in a combo with Luffy.
-Luffy's G3 Attack
-Base luffy's adv coc punch


So far Kaido tank over 37 Attacks(take in mind Sunachii was a combo attack by all Scabbards, same as a Kong Gatling who hit him multiple times)+(Lot of adv CoC attacks).

--Now after taking all the above attacks and lot of them are adv coc attacks mind you current luffy will defeat kaido who will get his own powerup in g5 likely

--Only attack BM took on rooftop was Gamma knife which is inferior to Injection shot

--Lets say current luffy = Current kidd with powerup ( Which can easily be massively wrong but still)

--You are saying law alone can deal equivalent amount damage as all the attacks kaido took above minus current luffy?? And this isn't fresh law also + Kaido carrying an island

@Pantheos @rerere
 
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