General & Others Luffy vs Kaido is the worst fight in One Piece

[Sungodo]

The way things are going, Luffy is gonna lose again. Kaido will beat his ass 5 times in a row.

 

[mugiwalaw]

i dont understand what Oda's trying to show in this fight..

 

[nik87]

People thought any fight in Wano could surpass Zoro vs King...

 

[Finalbeta]

People thought any fight in Wano could surpass Zoro vs King...

They defied the principle of what it means to defeat a God in such an epic way

 

[Captain Dom]

Maybe my first serious post, don't judge me.

I like Luffy vs Kaido because it brings the Manga to its roots, when One Piece didn't take itself too seriously. I always disliked Dressrosa because of Doflamingo.

This type of panel did nothing for me. I remember back in the day everybody was wetting their panties in forums about how badass and dark Doflamingo is but to me it was just edgy and cringe.

What made me fall in love with Luffy's character were arcs like Arabasta, Skypiea and Arlong Park, where Oda cleverly built up the villains through the eyes of their victims, so they always seemed terrifying to us, but then radically changed the tone when Luffy met them face to face.

Take Arlong, he comes from the superior race originating from the Grand Line. At first, the Mugiwaras are dicking around in Kokoyashi without a worry. Oda hypes up Arlong up in our imaginations by showing his underlings sinking Marine ships effortlessly, by showing Arlong terrorizing Usopp and lifting houses (it's more terrifying if it's Usopp), we hear about how Fishmen are 10 times stronger than humans, Arlong's shark teeth etc.

Then as the arc developped it starts becoming personal. Arlong's invincibility aura grows more in Nami's flashback, but so does his ruthlessness as he murders Bellemere and enslaves the entire village.

Through this build-up we take this villain super seriously, we fear for Luffy. And this is why I think One Piece managed to conquer the hearts of children, teenagers and adults all over the world; After so many chapters of people jobbing to Arlong, being terrified of Arlong, etc., Luffy finally meets Arlong face to face and he doesn't care.

He isn't scared, he doesn't respect him, he goofs around and mocks him. Arlong is just some dude to him. Oda builds all this illusion of the invincible foe through the perspective of powerless people, but when Luffy gets there, this illusion is shattered.

Luffy's character was too fucking cool. No matter how serious the situation was, he would make us laugh and never changed his relaxed/carefree attitude. Enel, the omnipotent God who was one-shotting everybody in Skypiea, looked silly trying to stab Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Baka.

tl;dr: One Piece is different from edgelord shit like Bleach (if you are a Bleach fan put your money where your mouth is and drink Bleach please) because it doesn't take itself too seriously. Oda manipulates the readers into hyping up the antagonist in their imaginations, only to have Luffy reminds us that they're just human.

The folks that say "edgy" (you) don't really like Shounen do you?

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People overestimate the "power ups". Ryuu was just him learning to control COA better, it was meant to give him means to actually hurt Kaido. If you think simply having the ability to hurt the strongest creature will put you above him then think again. Now COC coating was a bit rushed, but it was necessary. Kaido, BM, Whitebeard, Roger, they have all shown it. It was necessary to put Luffy in that stratosphere. But he was a newbie at this skill and the fact he still couldnt win, even though he put up quite the fight, shows you what the odds are of winning against Kaido. Awakening was predictable after Law and Kid, i didnt like the direction Oda took with it, but ok. It will have him barely win after like 14 other different people fought against Kaido with/before him. Kaido is a beast among beasts

The actual worst fight is the BM one. Defeating a emperor in few chapters is silly

They fought BM from 1013 to 1040. The thing is, Oda hates drawing non Straw Hat fights (one of his main flaws) and he doesn't like drawing women that aren't super big boobed and assed out (another flaw)

He really only gave us 3 chapters of a 27 chapter fight. I still can't believe it.

 

[Rekien]

You do realize that Kaido is depicted as the strongest individual in the verse, and going into this fight, the gap was absolutely massive right?

Did you really expect something as simple as "Kaido kicks Luffy's ass, Luffy gets a powerup, Luffy beats Kaido." Like, that legit would make this fight much better for you? That's absolutely absurd. The fight is depicted as realistically as it should be, as there was no way in the World Luffy should have followed the traditional format of defeating this opponent, due to the sheer level of gap between the two in the beginning.

You do also realize, that Kaido has taken a ridiculous amount of punishment, by 15+ characters, right? Not to mention, as Luffy gets stronger, Kaido is constantly showcasing that he has more tricks up his sleeve. Things he never pulled out when he was 100 percent. So where do you get the idea that Luffy will be "PK Level" come the end of this fight?

And to even further get into it, Blackbeard is going to be on a whole completely different level come EoS. The dude already has the most powerful Logia, and most powerful Paramecia devil fruit in the entire World. The prospect is also there that he will have a third broken devil fruit as well. By the end of this fight, Luffy will be able to rank himself among the best in the World. He's still not steam rolling any Top Tier, and will still most likely be a underdog against them. It's not until he can freely use all of his abilities, with no drawbacks that he will finally be able to stand atop them all.

What does any of that have to do with the cartoon garbage going on right now?

There was no point in KOing Luffy TWICE against Kaido in the rooftop, he could have done with KOing him once due to the cp0 guy interfering, no need to do that twice, it just makes it unbeliveable at this point.

 

[PirateKingDrew]

how can this be the worst when Luffy vs. Buggy, Wapol, Moira and Caeser all exist

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

What does any of that have to do with the cartoon garbage going on right now?

There was no point in KOing Luffy TWICE against Kaido in the rooftop, he could have done with KOing him once due to the cp0 guy interfering, no need to do that twice, it just makes it unbeliveable at this point.

It a makes it unbelievable that the protagonist gets KOed twice by the Worlds Strongest Creature?

 

[Rekien]

It a makes it unbelievable that the protagonist gets KOed twice by the Worlds Strongest Creature?

In the same fight, yes, that means Kaido had 2 opportunities to murder Luffy and wasted both IN THE SAME FIGHT. If we count times he KOed Luffy then its not just 2, Luffy already passed out or was unnable to move against Kaido 4 times.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

In the same fight, yes, that means Kaido had 2 opportunities to murder Luffy and wasted both IN THE SAME FIGHT. If we count times he KOed Luffy then its not just 2, Luffy already passed out or was unnable to move against Kaido 4 times.

First time he knocked Luffy clean off the island. Second time he literally thought Luffy was dead.

 

[OEKaneki]

Imagine trying to compare a fight between Zoro and someone who would be eradicated by Kaido to Luffy vs Kaido. Its different with Luffy and Kaido because Kaido is a much, much, much higher mountain to scale. He is far stronger than King, and Luffy has always had to struggle more because his enemies have always been far stronger than both Zoro and his opponent.

In reality, this fight has had hiccups, but is the best of Luffy's fights, which are always the best in the series.

 

[Kozuki TVU]

The folks that say "edgy" (you) don't really like Shounen do you?

you don't know what shonen is
ok fine i'll give you my sage advice
read kochikame

 

[Ryuarashi]

Imagine trying to compare a fight between Zoro and someone who would be eradicated by Kaido to Luffy vs Kaido. Its different with Luffy and Kaido because Kaido is a much, much, much higher mountain to scale. He is far stronger than King, and Luffy has always had to struggle more because his enemies have always been far stronger than both Zoro and his opponent

They don't care, if they did the comparison wouldn't have been made in the first place

 

[nik87]

Imagine trying to compare a fight between Zoro and someone who would be eradicated by Kaido to Luffy vs Kaido. Its different with Luffy and Kaido because Kaido is a much, much, much higher mountain to scale. He is far stronger than King, and Luffy has always had to struggle more because his enemies have always been far stronger than both Zoro and his opponent.

In reality, this fight has had hiccups, but is the best of Luffy's fights, which are always the best in the series.

Is that why Yamato can handle Kaido by herself, because he is much, much, much stronger than King?
Luffy struggles with his opponents because he is weak and tries to beat them with the boredom of healing punches.
Luffy's fights went from ok to bad to just get it over with.
However, this time it seems his purpose is to stall until daddy Zoro arrives to do what Luffy cant do.

 

[Finalbeta]

Is that why Yamato can handle Kaido by herself, because he is much, much, much stronger than King?
Luffy struggles with his opponents because he is weak and tries to beat them with the boredom of healing punches.
Luffy's fights went from ok to bad to just get it over with.
However, this time it seems his purpose is to stall until daddy Zoro arrives to do what Luffy cant do.

Which is funny given she was practically low diffed by Kaido all given Definitely a non awakened Kaido

 

[nik87]

Which is funny given she was practically low diffed by Kaido all given

She held her own better than Luffy for 30 mins.

 

[RayanOO]

Yes this fight is badddddddd

The moment Oda decided to make that fight a 1 vs 1 it was meant to be bullshit

Kaido was way too strong from the start

Luffy landing the finisher was obvious, he is the MC. But Luffy taking on Kaido 1 vs 1 for most of the fight was wrong.

A Law Kid Luffy vs Kaido would have been so much better. With Luffy finishing the deal.

 

[Finalbeta]

She held her own better than Luffy for 30 mins.

That's undeniable too

Rooftop round 1 was disgraceful, no wonder so many Toy Story memes were plunged cause Kaido didn't want to play with Luffy anymore 🧐

 

[stealthblack]

Still better then my avatar's corny line, blood spray from enemy, pose behind enemy

 

[Im_theonetobeking]

The best balls he got is letting ZKK happen

But cartoon Luffy will stay on forever I bet :cheers:

Zkk will never happen because it's an ass theroy

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Is that why Yamato can handle Kaido by herself, because he is much, much, much stronger than King?
Luffy struggles with his opponents because he is weak and tries to beat them with the boredom of healing punches.
Luffy's fights went from ok to bad to just get it over with.
However, this time it seems his purpose is to stall until daddy Zoro arrives to do what Luffy cant do.

I can't wait to see y'all cope when zkk dose not
Happen the copium will be hilarious