General & Others Crazy how Roger was able to keep up with Whitebeard.
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Yeah, Roger being equal if not stronger than Whiteboard doesn't make much sense imo. Whiteboard basically had everything that Roger had (top tier haki, highly graded weapon, beastly physical stats) in addition to having the most destructive devil fruit. Roger being stronger because "better haki" is quite boring and uncreative. Same with Garp, he was able to keep up with those two because he punched really hard?
Imo, it'd have been better if Whitebeard just had basic haki and was as strong as he was primarily cause of his devil fruit. While Roger was the one with top tier haki and swordsmanship and kept on par with Whitebeard due to that. Otherwise, it just leaves a gap in logic for how Roger could conceivably be on the same level as Whitebeard when Newgate had everything he had and then some.
Imo, it'd have been better if Whitebeard just had basic haki and was as strong as he was primarily cause of his devil fruit. While Roger was the one with top tier haki and swordsmanship and kept on par with Whitebeard due to that. Otherwise, it just leaves a gap in logic for how Roger could conceivably be on the same level as Whitebeard when Newgate had everything he had and then some.
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More or less, yeah. Anybody can become as strong Aokiji if they had his fruit by mastering it and having good physicals stats. That doesn't diminish the fact that he mastered his fruit and utilizes it very well.
Anybody can become as strong as Luffy is right now if they had his fruit and CoC. I don't understand your argument.
Anybody can become as strong as Luffy is right now if they had his fruit and CoC. I don't understand your argument.
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I think we can make that deduction from scaling alone by looking at how they both in their primes are top 5 in strength all-time in the verse. And with how Kaido is hyping up haki and the overall portrayal of it in the story, it's pretty clear that they both had top tier haki.
A third variation of CoC doesn't really change my point. If Roger had it, it would still just be that he had stronger haki. My critique here is that there's an oversaturation of haki in the power system. By having more and more characters have advanced versions of haki, it creates gaps of logic for why devil fruit-less characters can keep up with these other guys. If the explanation is that they have a stronger version of haki, another variation, or can punch really hard or swing a sword really hard then that's very uninteresting to me.
A third variation of CoC doesn't really change my point. If Roger had it, it would still just be that he had stronger haki. My critique here is that there's an oversaturation of haki in the power system. By having more and more characters have advanced versions of haki, it creates gaps of logic for why devil fruit-less characters can keep up with these other guys. If the explanation is that they have a stronger version of haki, another variation, or can punch really hard or swing a sword really hard then that's very uninteresting to me.
I sincerely doubt that's the route Oda is going for here.
I made a theory a long time ago that Devil Fruit abilities were human abilities, created by haki. That's why you see things like Ashura, Diable Jambe, Kings ability, electro, Kinemon Foxfire, Brooks Ice attacks etc... Etc... These things have to stem from somewhere. And unless Oda is going to introduce some brand new concept this late in the game to explain these no df abilities, then Haki seems to make the most sense.
I made a theory a long time ago that Devil Fruit abilities were human abilities, created by haki. That's why you see things like Ashura, Diable Jambe, Kings ability, electro, Kinemon Foxfire, Brooks Ice attacks etc... Etc... These things have to stem from somewhere. And unless Oda is going to introduce some brand new concept this late in the game to explain these no df abilities, then Haki seems to make the most sense.
