Powers & Abilities Why Albert's weakness was horribly done

#1
Every YC1 had a special trait.

Marco: DF -> Regen -> High Recovery
Katakuri: Haki -> Future Sight -> High Evadeability
Albert: Genetics -> Lunarian Regen and Durability -> High Defense
((Queen: Science -> Plagues -> High Lethality))

Whilst Marco and Katakuri's weaknesses for the OP ability was standard OP norm....Albert's was completely different and horribiliy handled.

Both Marco and Katakuri had a stamina dependant abilities. So how much of their powers they used...the weaker and more useless it got as time went on. Albert never had this weakness. So in general you'd think that would make Albert's better....welll.....Oda doesnt know how to write.

Albert's ability logically looks better on paper since it doesnt have a stamina nerf, however it does have a plot stupidity nerf. Its an ability that disappears whenever Albert feels like moving faster. An ability that seemingly is replaced for something just as good. But in fact its not...Lets get into it.

Why is the Lunarian Defence weakness bad ?

1.) Albert's speed form has no eqiuvalent hype to his Defence form

For a form that had tremendous hype that rivalled Kaido....His other form....his speed form has nothing in comparison. You'd think if Albert were to give up Top Tier defence....hed get Top Tier Speed in return. But nope nothing as such. People try their best to compare it to Sanji's top speed because of that dumb line thingy. But they need to remember that statements matter far more. Zoro never called his speed invisible. Heck he never even struggled with his speed. He easily reacted to it and kept up with it for the 3 times he used it. Compare that to how much Zoro struggled with Albert's Lunarian defence.....and you'd see that his speed form was asboutely useless and dumb.

Remind me again why he didnt have Lunarian flames on his back when using the Magma Dragon at the end.

2.) Albert has no reason to leave Lunarian Defence form

Albert's Lunarian Defence had him protected whilst still alowing him to keep up with Zoro. He was perfectly protected from Zoro whilst fighting in CQC. He wouldnt need any momentum from his speed form, if he just stayed close by and engaged in swordfighting and his Zoan powers....hed eventually wear Zori down. Enma would eventually make quick work of Zori anyways. I mean..was there even a speed difference between Flame Form and Speed form....Zoro handled/Struggled with both basically the same.

And no I dont believe in the bullshit that is Zoro's AdvCoC being able to go through his Lunarain Flame form. These so called "hints" are just weak interpretations from Zoro fans that are embrassed that Zoro had to take advatange of his weakness instead of destroying his defence head on.


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So in conclusion yh. Oda shouldve either never created that weakness, or atleast had given it an equal replacement and have written it better. But Zoro dealing with Top Tier Speed wouldve probably performed worse lmao.
 
#5
He went invisible on panel. Cry
He didnt tho. Those soru marks dont indicate invisibility. They show fast movement

Sanji was literally invisible. We saw the whole room and there was no trace of him. To add to that we had Queen's statement to show that he is truly invisible. Something Albert doesnt have.

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Either way this thread isnt about Sanji. Dont try to derail the thread.
 
#6
Firstly, please don't put Queen there, he isn't a YC1 no matter how bad you wish he was. Also he didn't use his plague against Sanji at all so that's worse than any issues with King's abilities. Also Kata had his DF awakening as an exceptional power and that didn't exactly have any drawbacks.

I'd much rather an opponent be beat without having to wear them down first, Zoro's attack beat King's attack, that's all. King can only control fire in his flame form unless there's any explicit proof otherwise, provide it if I'm missing anything. King had to start blocking Zoro in flame mode which prompted Zoro to consider that he can damage him regardless now (similar to Luffy and Kaido) and showed further that as the fight was progressing Zoro was becoming able to cut him. Otherwise why would King start blocking? He could have just stood there like earlier.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#7
He didnt tho. Those soru marks dont indicate invisibility. They show fast movement

Sanji was literally invisible. We saw the whole room and there was no trace of him. To add to that we had Queen's statement to show that he is truly invisible. Something Albert doesnt have.

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Either way this thread isnt about Sanji. Dont try to derail the thread.
He did tho. Yep so fast he dissapeard
The only reason he wasn't shown is cause he didn't run away like sanji did he used his super speed to attack.
 
#8
I feel like Oda make speed and defense as a separate things for King's arsenal so that Zoro won't lose his fight. Like imagine King with both speed and defense? There's no way Zoro could've won so I think Oda's decision to separates speed and defense is a right choice.
 
#9
He did tho. Yep so fast he dissapeard
The only reason he wasn't shown is cause he didn't run away like sanji did he used his super speed to attack.
How can Sanji run away...we saw the entire room you clown. Soru does not equal invisibility. And Ling still has no statement that says he is invisible. Carry on clutching onto straws. Speed Form is useless and a millie second faster than Flame form.
 
#10
Oda gave everything in the world to king with defense form and then gave him two stupid things: pride of being lunrain and blinding him, thinking he is superior to humankind,
Second is speed form... that shit is just stupid as hell... zero feats and reasons to move into that form... but again King was so proud and full of himself so he thought making it quick with speed form was okay but zoro fucked him up.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#11
How can Sanji run away...we saw the entire room you clown. Soru does not equal invisibility. And Ling still has no statement that says he is invisible. Carry on clutching onto straws. Speed Form is useless and a millie second faster than Flame form.
Sanji did run window licker
He didnt actually turn invisible lmfao he was just running fast

The only difference is when king did it he used it to attack
 
#12
There's no rule that he needs to have equivalent exchange between his defense and his speed form. However, he clearly did display a significant increase in speed when he turned off the flames. He disappeared from Zoro's eyesight, which was not something he had displayed before. You're saying that King's speed not giving Zoro trouble is evidence that King is slower than he should be, but I can also say that it's evidence that Zoro can handle fast opponents without much trouble. There's no way to really prove or disprove it.

I'm also not sure why you can't just admit that King was forced out of his speed form because he realized Zoro could damage him in his defense form. From the start of the King fight all the way until the end of 1033, King pretty much just let Zoro hit him time and time again because he knew he wasn't getting hurt. He didn't even try to blitz Zoro the way he tried it in 1035 at all.

It was only after Zoro unlocked CoC that King started using his speed mode more, where we even have dialogue from Zoro suggesting that his attacks can now penetrate King's flame mode.
 
#14
Sanji did run window licker
He didnt actually turn invisible lmfao he was just running fast

The only difference is when king did it he used it to attack
Going by that logical....Albert flew away lmfao. Did you seriously just state this. Using a phrase that has bad connotations, barely relating to Sanji....then using its literal sense to link it to Sanji. Wow....just wow.

Running away....implying leaving the fight /=/ running fast... Yes both have running in it, but both actions are actions arent the same nor are the results.

Using your speed for attacking or camoflauge doesnt doesnt change anything. Running away implies Sanji never wanted to fight Queen and left the room. Sanji didnt "run away". He mimicked Queen....eho by your logical also "ran" away. Or maybe "stood" away would make more sense lol
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#15
Going by that logical....Albert flew away lmfao. Did you seriously just state this. Using a phrase that has bad connotations, barely relating to Sanji....then using its literal sense to link it to Sanji. Wow....just wow.

Running away....implying leaving the fight /=/ running fast... Yes both have running in it, but both actions are actions arent the same nor are the results.

Using your speed for attacking or camoflauge doesnt doesnt change anything. Running away implies Sanji never wanted to fight Queen and left the room. Sanji didnt "run away". He mimicked Queen....eho by your logical also "ran" away. Or maybe "stood" away would make more sense lol
Yes king used his speed to attack
Sanji used his speed to run away for a few seconds before he got lucky the ho came.
 
#16
Like imagine King with both speed and defense? There's no way Zoro could've won so I think Oda's decision to separates speed and defense is a right choice.
the reason king switched to speed mode because he realized that zoro's acoc attacks could damage him in his defence mode


so even if king still had the same durability in his speed mode it won't be much probelm for Zoro
 
#17
There's no rule that he needs to have equivalent exchange between his defense and his speed form. However, he clearly did display a significant increase in speed when he turned off the flames. He disappeared from Zoro's eyesight, which was not something he had displayed before. You're saying that King's speed not giving Zoro trouble is evidence that King is slower than he should be, but I can also say that it's evidence that Zoro can handle fast opponents without much trouble. There's no way to really prove or disprove it.
He didnt tho. He used Speed form 3 times onpanel. Each time Zoro reacted to it. No where was it ever stated he disappeared from Zoro's eyesight thats just pure cope.

I'm also not sure why you can't just admit that King was forced out of his speed form because he realized Zoro could damage him in his defense form. From the start of the King fight all the way until the end of 1033, King pretty much just let Zoro hit him time and time again because he knew he wasn't getting hurt. He didn't even try to blitz Zoro the way he tried it in 1035 at all.
He used Speed form 3 times before he used it again in 1035.

1.) In 1027. Zoro used Tora Gari to clash with it.
2.) In 1033. Zoro blocked it.
3.) Before 1035....offpanel. Zoro reacted to it...took advtage and slashed him with a nameless AdvCoC attack.

All of this was before Albert got "scared"

It was only after Zoro unlocked CoC that King started using his speed mode more, where we even have dialogue from Zoro suggesting that his attacks can now penetrate King's flame mode.
Nope just debunked that.
 
#18
King is stronger than Big Mom.
Source: You

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/king-is-as-strong-as-if-not-stronger-than-meme.12852/

:milaugh:

That's when you flat earthers thought and hoped that Sanji would have fought King. But that didn't happen (obviously), and then you started hating King...

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/will-sanji-saves-marco-and-fight-king-and-queen.11898/

You were desperate from the start lmao

https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/why-sanji-vs-king-will-happen.11180/

But why? Sanji fought King after all!


:milaugh:
 
#19
And no I dont believe in the bullshit that is Zoro's AdvCoC being able to go through his Lunarain Flame form. These so called "hints" are just weak interpretations from Zoro fans that are embrassed that Zoro had to take advatange of his weakness instead of destroying his defence head on.
I mean this is literally denial of the manga, lol.
Zoro calls out King, who's in fire form, of being scared of what he can do and that's why he's started blocking.
It's an in-story explanation of why staying in fire mode forever isn't a viable strategy, but if you wanna reject it, go for it.
 
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