Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1059 Spoilers Discussion

[SakazOuki]

@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung let's also not forget Kizaru is like 50% of the beast Sakazuki is

 

[Unlimited Rulebook]

Kizaru continued to go after the strawhats even tho Rayleigh asked him not too

Did Kizaru accomplish his mission? No, he failed.

 

[Cinera]

Old Rayleigh has greater hype and better portrayal than Old Garp:

• He matched Borsalino in a serious battle for some minutes
  • He implied that he could defeat him in his Prime
  • Borsalino admitted that he'd need to make preparations to apprehend him
  • Borsalino captured 500 pirates to vent his frustration at being unable to apprehend Rayleigh
  • Sentomaru said that Borsalino could not get past him
• Garp called him a legend in the same breath as Whitebeard and said the Marines shouldn't take on both of them at the same time
• The "Dark King" is recognised by everyone
  • Nami said that everyone knows of the name "Dark King"
  • All the Strawhats recognised the name
• Jimbe was shocked when he saw the "Dark King"
  • The same Jimbe demeaned Linlin as a "mere Yonkou"
• He showed up and scared away Blackbeard and his crew
  • He implied that he could defeat Blackbeard in his prime

Considering that Old Rayleigh had been inactive for two decades when he fought Borsalino while Garp was still an active Marine, the gulf in their performance/portrayal looks especially striking.

I think Prime Rayleigh may also be superior to Prime Garp.


@ShishioIsBack, @comrade, @Playa4321, @Sentinel, @MarineHQ.

 

[zzShinichi]

I don't know why Noodle was even betting against Rayleigh a.k.a Luffy's Biggest Mentor anyways

 

[Ninjashadow0209]

I'm just talking about your comment about kizaru being almost older than Rayleigh

That's why i commented that, him remembers Kizaru was already a established person in OP, but BB him remembers as a kid, like him said WB apprentice.

 

[Cross_Marian]

So how strong was Prime Gaban?
Prime Ray was stronger than current Teach and but what about Gaban?

 

[SakazOuki]

Did Kizaru accomplish his mission? No, he failed.

Kuma is the one who rescued them not Rayleigh, Ray basically stalled Kizaru for a couple minutes and was on the backtrack at that, not to mention Kizaru giving him a sword fight.

 

[Lee Ba Shou]

@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung let's also not forget Kizaru is like 50% of the beast Sakazuki is

In terms of strength,

Sakazuki >= Kizaru/Aokiji >= Fujitora/Ryokugyu >= old Rayleigh >>> prime Yonko

But in terms of chadliness, you are correct, Sakazuki > all.

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Did Kizaru accomplish his mission? No, he failed.

Because Kuma saved them all

 

[Erkan12]

Against BB ray admits he will lose where no such thing was mentioned against Kizaru. Even current BB > Kizaru @Erkan12

A big W for the pirate god. :cheers:

 

[MarineHQ]

Old Rayleigh has greater hype and better portrayal than Old Garp:

• He matched Borsalino in a serious battle for some minutes
  • He implied that he could defeat him in his Prime
  • Borsalino admitted that he'd need to make preparations to apprehend him
  • Borsalino captured 500 pirates to vent his frustration at being unable to apprehend Rayleigh
  • Sentomaru said that Borsalino could not get past him
• Garp called him a legend in the same breath as Whitebeard and said the Marines shouldn't take on both of them at the same time
• The "Dark King" is recognised by everyone
  • Nami said that everyone knows of the name "Dark King"
  • All the Strawhats recognised the name
• Jimbe was shocked when he saw the "Dark King"
  • The same Jimbe demeaned Linlin as a "mere Yonkou"
• He showed up and scared away Blackbeard and his crew
  • He implied that he could defeat Blackbeard in his prime

Considering that Old Rayleigh had been inactive for two decades when he fought Borsalino while Garp was still an active Marine, the gulf in their performance/portrayal looks especially striking.

I think Prime Rayleigh may also be superior to Prime Garp.


@ShishioIsBack, @comrade, @Playa4321, @Sentinel, @MarineHQ.

We will get to that post chapter. Should make a thread.

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The only thing that looks bad Teach is his facial expression (like distressed) with a sweat on his face when Ray pulled up
But he doesn't say anything nor hype him.
Neither do we see Teach screaming in shock

Different from GB case where GB was hurt by CoC and gave up with hands in the air..."I can't fight you yet..."


Well since people have agenda piece will be still claiming: Ray made TEACH run away LOL

oh yeah Hancock really joined the Toy squad:
Niji, Yonji, Book, Marco, ... choked/squeezed by Yonko like fodders

A single sweat drop or several ?

 

[Ninjashadow0209]

Old Rayleigh has greater hype and better portrayal than Old Garp:

• He matched Borsalino in a serious battle for some minutes
  • He implied that he could defeat him in his Prime
  • Borsalino admitted that he'd need to make preparations to apprehend him
  • Borsalino captured 500 pirates to vent his frustration at being unable to apprehend Rayleigh
  • Sentomaru said that Borsalino could not get past him
• Garp called him a legend in the same breath as Whitebeard and said the Marines shouldn't take on both of them at the same time
• The "Dark King" is recognised by everyone
  • Nami said that everyone knows of the name "Dark King"
  • All the Strawhats recognised the name
• Jimbe was shocked when he saw the "Dark King"
  • The same Jimbe demeaned Linlin as a "mere Yonkou"
• He showed up and scared away Blackbeard and his crew
  • He implied that he could defeat Blackbeard in his prime

Considering that Old Rayleigh had been inactive for two decades when he fought Borsalino while Garp was still an active Marine, the gulf in their performance/portrayal looks especially striking.

I think Prime Rayleigh may also be superior to Prime Garp.


@ShishioIsBack, @comrade, @Playa4321, @Sentinel, @MarineHQ.

Only the mentioned of Garp been Rivaled by Roger has already established him above Rayleigh.

When the Name of Garp was mentioned in the face of SH they relise what he was too, the Marine Hero.

 

[SakazOuki]

He implied that he could defeat him in his Prime

Garp implying he can kill Akainu is all the portrayal you need for Garp = Roger

 

[Peppercore]

Rayleigh so sexy

 

[Boiroy]

Can't wait for Rayleigh
Mini Mihawk
and
Mihawk's thread
for the week *_*

 

[Marco]

Against BB ray admits he will lose where no such thing was mentioned against Kizaru. Even current BB > Kizaru @Erkan12

To be fair to Kizaru, Ray is older now ie grew weaker

 

[Blazing Lion]

So how strong was Prime Gaban?
Prime Ray was stronger than current Teach and but what about Gaban?

Same as EOS Jinbe

 

[MarineHQ]

Yeah

More than a single sweat drop?
Cause people also said Kizaru been sweating buckets in the movie

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Old Rayleigh has greater hype and better portrayal than Old Garp:

• He matched Borsalino in a serious battle for some minutes
  • He implied that he could defeat him in his Prime
  • Borsalino admitted that he'd need to make preparations to apprehend him
  • Borsalino captured 500 pirates to vent his frustration at being unable to apprehend Rayleigh
  • Sentomaru said that Borsalino could not get past him
• Garp called him a legend in the same breath as Whitebeard and said the Marines shouldn't take on both of them at the same time
• The "Dark King" is recognised by everyone
  • Nami said that everyone knows of the name "Dark King"
  • All the Strawhats recognised the name
• Jimbe was shocked when he saw the "Dark King"
  • The same Jimbe demeaned Linlin as a "mere Yonkou"
• He showed up and scared away Blackbeard and his crew
  • He implied that he could defeat Blackbeard in his prime

Considering that Old Rayleigh had been inactive for two decades when he fought Borsalino while Garp was still an active Marine, the gulf in their performance/portrayal looks especially striking.

I think Prime Rayleigh may also be superior to Prime Garp.


@ShishioIsBack, @comrade, @Playa4321, @Sentinel, @MarineHQ.

Whitebeard, Sengoku, big mom, Roger and rocks doesn't matter now when it comes to Garp

 

[kurwa]

In terms of strength,

Sakazuki >= Kizaru/Aokiji >= Fujitora/Ryokugyu >= old Rayleigh >>> prime Yonko

But in terms of chadliness, you are correct, Sakazuki > all.

c'mon dude, why is there the same gap between AokijiKizaru and AramakiFuji just as there is between them and old bum Rayleigh?

Marines were literally said to have gotten stronger when they recruited Fuji and Aramaki and Akainu became FA.