Character Discussion This chapter shows the difference between a vice captain and the other underlings

[Roronoa-sama]

Unfortunately, Zoro can't fit that role because Sanji exists

Zoro relies on Sanji and vice versa, Luffy relies on both

Sometimes Nami overrules the Monster Trio, this doesn't makes her the Vice Captain.

Its important to point out thaf Zoro isn't being 100% rational at all. He is using the "faith on Vivi" argue to support his claim, he is also using the worst example possible and he gets flamed by that

Zoro is often saw as someone cold when it comes to this stuff, his perspective can't go beyond the common sense that is: "We gonna get into more trouble so we shouldn't do this". Which is fair, but it doesn't automatically makes these the best decisions available, and he has done that quite a few times in the manga

In reality their whole career has them getting into huge trouble, cuz they are pirates, i guess??

When Sanji calls the crew out or makes Luffy think twice about his decisions and go back on them, he isn't called a Vice Captain. In fact, some retards call out Sanji for not trusting his crewmates and Captain, or for being a pussy who is afraid of the enemy, even if his worries are proven absolutely correct like in WCI.

Lets not ignore that Zoro isn't all about being stealthy or taking precautions.
Most of the time he is stubborn and acts impulsively. Equally or more than Luffy. Sanji was the only one actually worried about doing things right during the first acts..

He was trying to kill Orochi while getting stalled by Denjiro. Sanji called him out but he didn't gave a shit and kept doing that even after kinda ruining the plan initially and saying "Sorry Kinemon", cuz he knew he made a mistake.

headcanon

 

[Shanal]

Unfortunately, Zoro can't fit that role because Sanji exists

Zoro relies on Sanji and vice versa, Luffy relies on both

Sometimes Nami overrules the Monster Trio, this doesn't makes her the Vice Captain.

Its important to point out thaf Zoro isn't being 100% rational at all. He is using the "faith on Vivi" argue to support his claim, he is also using the worst example possible and he gets flamed by that

Zoro is often saw as someone cold when it comes to this stuff, his perspective can't go beyond the common sense that is: "We gonna get into more trouble so we shouldn't do this". Which is fair, but it doesn't automatically makes these the best decisions available, and he has done that quite a few times in the manga

In reality their whole career has them getting into huge trouble, cuz they are pirates, i guess??

When Sanji calls the crew out or makes Luffy think twice about his decisions and go back on them, he isn't called a Vice Captain. In fact, some retards call out Sanji for not trusting his crewmates and Captain, or for being a pussy who is afraid of the enemy, even if his worries are proven absolutely correct like in WCI

"船長のカゲとなり、 一味を支えるNo. 2!!

Become the captain's shadow and support the crew, No. 2!!"

Zoro isn't called Vice Captain because of what happened this chapter.

He's called the Vice Captain because he's canonically stated to be the closest thing to one, and Luffy's RHM. One who acts like the First Mate. One who is the "Captain's shadow" as per Oda from Usopp's PoV.

This is just one of many miniscule examples of Zoro acting like who he's already confirmed to be. Many times.

Of course, Sanji has his own leadership moments. But people don't dub him as Vice Captain over it because he's literally not.

 

[Cozy Sofa]

It's very simple, Luffy and then Zoro. After these 2 only Jinbei is fit to be a leader.

Franky is a rather good leader too when clear headed. Main problem is he can get emotional at times.

Robin is a great advisor. She lacks charisma to be the main leader but she is a perfect No2 like in Baroque Works.

Brooke can lead but he lacks strength and intimidation, a clear presence, to exert his will.

Sanji, Nami, Chopper, Usopp need 10 years more maturity.

 

[Desolate Smaug]

Zoro was good this chapter. I can admit that even as a Sanji fan. He even flexed his swordsmanship when he sliced the mushroom water stuff. It's actually impressive how Zoro was able to resist being baited about being afraid. In 9/10 situations he would probably try to prove he is not a chicken by encouraging Luffy to raid marijoa 🤣
Sanji was compromised in this situation coz if his kindness and love for hoes.

 

[Julius]

"船長のカゲとなり、 一味を支えるNo. 2!!

Become the captain's shadow and support the crew, No. 2!!"

Zoro isn't called Vice Captain because of what happened this chapter.

He's called the Vice Captain because he's canonically stated to be the closest thing to one, and Luffy's RHM. One who acts like the First Mate. One who is the "Captain's shadow" as per Oda from Usopp's PoV.

This is just one of many miniscule examples of Zoro acting like who he's already confirmed to be. Many times.

Of course, Sanji has his own leadership moments. But people don't dub him as Vice Captain over it because he's literally not.

So? Sanji needs to be a literal blonde Zoro, so then he can fit the role, when he actually never needed that to be to fitting the role when necessary?

For example, Sanji isn't a Supernova, thats clearly going to give people a different perspective for Zoro in comparison to Sanji, even if thats a mere bounty related thing that started meaning absolutely nothing at a certain point.

Have you read the SBS about that color spread that says Zoro is not the "Vice Captain"? Almost everyone in the crew has got a Vice Captain moment, not just as much as Zoro and Sanji usually do, which should be obvious at this point.

Most of these outdated Vivre Cards statements are obviously overrated and extremely superficial cuz thats one of the fewest things Zoro has going for his character, it has become something that you need to spam to everybody in order for people to believe it, because the manga itself clearly doesn't support the idea, even less if we bring Sanji.

While we do have much more stuff supporting "the wings"

Zoro fans usually try to make the things Zoro do look more than they actually are, and this is just one more of these moments

 

[Shanal]

So? Sanji needs to be a literal blonde Zoro, so then he can fit the role, when he actually never needed that to be to fit the role when necessary?

Sanji can take the leadership mantle and has done so many times in Luffy and Zoro's absence. He has acted as an advisor to Luffy before, too.

He is among PK's wings. #3. Just like Gaban was and whatnot.

Won't make him Vice Captain because he literally is not. Zoro is canonically confirmed as such- or at least the one closest to SHP VC for a reason.

For example, Sanji isn't a Supernova, thats clearly going to give people a different perspective for Zoro in comparison to Sanji, even if thats a mere bounty related thing that started meaning absolutely nothing at a certain point.

Have you read the SBS about that color spread that says Zoro is not the "Vice Captain"? Almost everyone in the crew has got a Vice Captain moment, not just as much as Zoro and Sanji usually do, which should be obvious at this point.

Most of these outdated Vivre Cards statements are obviously overrated and extremely superficial cuz thats one of the fewest things Zoro has going for his character, it has become something that you need to spam to everybody in order for people to believe it, because the manga itself clearly doesn't support the idea, even less if we bring Sanji.

Zoro fans usually try to make the things Zoro do look more than they actually are, and this is just one more of these moments

Make a billion excuses. No one called Sanji RHM/VC when he had higher bounty, even when Oda could've done that.

Pretend VC, where Oda directly gives information, doesn't mean anything because you're crying.

Pretend Usopp Gallery, where Oda directly labelled Zoro as Luffy's shadow and #2, while being in Usopp's PoV, doesn't mean anything because you're crying.

No one is trying to make Zoro more than he is or do more than he does. He's simply what he's stated to be in literally every single canonical source.

If Sanji was called that in even anime filler, you'd be parading, much less canonical material and Manga. But sad reality is that he isn't, and you're desperate for scarps, so you instead try to pretend the light Oda puts Zoro in means nothing.

Pathetically embarrassing.

 

[ThunderSupernova]

Zoro

- factual vice captain
- second strongest right after Luffy
- Adv CoC like Luffy
- GOAT Luffy's right hand man
- parallel with Rayleigh who is a monster
- future World's Strongest Swordsman

Not bad I'd say...

Really love how Zoro's portrayal is different
Not only the Advanced Conqueror thing, the Rooftop and the other things everyone noticed

But sometimes Oda hints at Zoro's greater strength compared to other Strawhats in a nice subtle way

You need help to fight someone?
You call the strongest friend you have

The Strawhats need help to fight someone?
They have many crewmembers to rely on...
But the one they call is Zoro
The one who is essential is Zoro
Only him and no one else

 

[kenedyfake]

These zoroscucks keep talking about right hand, vice captains, but when we start talking about captains, they're above others, like Luffy, Kid and Law, they cry.

 

[The White Crane]

In this chapter, we had a glimpse on what difference can a leader bring to a group

Without any leadership, it's common for people to be disoriented and start crying out of sheer panic

Meanwhile, a good leader can stay calm and be rational on a decision (leadership ability)

Notice how after zoro said this, the strawhats stopped panicking. Even luffy who doesn't listen to other people, he follow zoro's word as well.

@Peroroncino @Boiroy @Topi Jerami @The White Crane @Lor D. Coast @Roronoa-sama @Zoro the badass god @mrtsrdr @WizardKing @traxex123 @Chrono

Zoro doesn't have ACoC for nothing.

Only followers cry. Conquerors keep calm and deal. :cheers:

 

[Roo]

sounds like a certain captain

 

[Shanal]

These zoroscucks keep talking about right hand, vice captains, but when we start talking about captains, they're above others, like Luffy, Kid and Law, they cry.

Killer and Bepo > Sanji?

 

[Luffydom56]

Luffy and Zoro are both right on their own, Luffy has better emotional quotient and instincts than Zoro which has helped him save his crew multiple times. Luffy thinks like a pirate, its all or nothing for him, he lives off danger and adventure everyday., Zoro is more cautious.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

These zoroscucks keep talking about right hand, vice captains, but when we start talking about captains, they're above others, like Luffy, Kid and Law, they cry.

Reminds me of number 4 fans and their made up rules, Zoro is weaker than Captains but Lanji the n°4 or 5 has a rule that makes him above Vice Captains like Killer. Funny that you stopped spamming that Zoro's bounty is lower than Kidd and Law's.

Killer and Bepo > Sanji?

They make their own rules, it's just because ok!

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Zoro

- factual vice captain
- second strongest right after Luffy
- Adv CoC like Luffy
- GOAT Luffy's right hand man
- parallel with Rayleigh who is a monster
- future World's Strongest Swordsman

Not bad I'd say...

Really love how Zoro's portrayal is different
Not only the Advanced Conqueror thing, the Rooftop and the other things everyone noticed

But sometimes Oda hints at Zoro's greater strength compared to other Strawhats in a nice subtle way

You need help to fight someone?
You call the strongest friend you have

The Strawhats need help to fight someone?
They have many crewmembers to rely on...
But the one they call is Zoro
The one who is essential is Zoro
Only him and no one else

Nami always putting that faith in the vice-captain :cheers:

 

[Julius]

Sanji can take the leadership mantle and has done so many times in Luffy and Zoro's absence. He has acted as an advisor to Luffy before, too.

He is among PK's wings. #3. Just like Gaban was and whatnot.

Won't make him Vice Captain because he literally is not. Zoro is canonically confirmed as such- or at least the one closest to SHP VC for a reason.

What? Oda literally came with an SBS to say Zoro is not the Vice Captain at all

As i said, all you have is superficial vivre card lines and pointing out obvious character differences between actual different characters LoL

Sanji doesn't need Luffy or Zoro's absence to take the lead, this is one of the headcanons Zoro fans love to bring up, in fact thats one of the reasons Oda established the wings, because Zoro and Sanji act by themselves and take their own decisions that affects the course of events, thats how Luffy himself sees them.

For example, during the Sea Train sequence and many other moments during every single arc.

Make a billion excuses. No one called Sanji RHM/VC when he had higher bounty, even when Oda could've done that.

Pretend VC, where Oda directly gives information, doesn't mean anything because you're crying.

Pretend Usopp Gallery, where Oda directly labelled Zoro as Luffy's shadow and #2, while being in Usopp's PoV, doesn't mean anything because you're crying.

No one is trying to make Zoro more than he is or do more than he does. He's simply what he's stated to be in literally every single canonical source.

If Sanji was called that in even anime filler, you'd be parading, much less canonical material and Manga. But sad reality is that he isn't, and you're desperate for scarps, so you instead try to pretend the light Oda puts Zoro in means nothing.

Pathetically embarrassing.

You're the one crying and desperatly searching for scraps dude, you're trying so hard to make Zoro be something that he clearly isn't and never was simply because he tried thinking more reasonably or took responsability once lol

 

[Jinjoo]

Killer and Bepo > Sanji?

Killer definitely above sanji

 

[Shanal]

What? Oda literally came with an SBS to say Zoro is not the Vice Captain at all

As i said, all you have is superficial vivre card lines and pointing out obvious character differences between actual different characters LoL



You're the one crying and desperatly searching for scraps dude, you're trying so hard to make Zoro be something that he clearly isn't and never was simply because he tried thinking more reasonably or took responsability once lol

Read what people are saying before aggressively typing back with tears.

ESSENTIALLY a Vice Captain.

Luffy's shadow and #2 of crew, as per Usopp's PoV in Usopp Gallery. Labelled directly by Oda, just like SBS.

The one who acts like Vice Captain and takes up that mantle de-facto. As stated directly in Vivre Card. Not said for Sanji.

That's what he's canonically confirmed as. No one says he's OFFICIALLY Vice Captain. No shit. No one has official VC role. Zoro is de-facto Vice Captain, not official.

You're the one ignoring Vivre Card. You're the one ignoring Usopp Gallery. You're the one ignoring Oda explicitly making everyone and their mother call Zoro First Mate/RHM while NEVER doing the same for Sanji even when his bounty was higher for hundreds of chapters.

I'm searching for scraps? I have literally every canonical source calling Zoro closest thing to Vice Captain/RHM/FM while there's not even a single filler scene that puts Sanji in same light.

As i said, all you have is superficial vivre card lines and pointing out obvious character differences between actual different characters LoL

That Vivre Card line, from Oda, specifically calls Zoro as the one who takes the mantle of Vice Captain.

That alone more than Sanji has ever been called in history of Manga, anime, and every filler material including even fucking video games.

And I have far more than that.

Sanji doesn't need Luffy or Zoro's absence to take the lead, this is one of the headcanons Zoro fans love to bring up, in fact thats one of the reasons Oda established the wings, because Zoro and Sanji act by themselves and take their own decisions that affects the course of events, thats how Luffy himself sees them.

Zoro has almost always been the one to take command and call shots when he was present and Luffy wasn't, regardless of whether Sanji was there or not.

• He took the charge immediately and gave orders when Luffy went to fight Crocodile, despite Sanji's presence.
• When Usopp begged to come back while they sailed off, Chopper first asked Luffy to listen, and when ignored, he asked Zoro. Sanji was there, too, never asked.
• He took the charge to Oars and commanded everyone, even Sanji who reluctantly followed.
• He commanded entire crew into battle following Yasui's death.

Sanji acting independently and saying he'll deny his captain's orders and do whatever he wants during the train is cool, but that has nothing to do with the fact that Sanji only ever takes charge of SHP when Zoro and Luffy both aren't present or bothering, never with.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

There's no such thing as a wing rank, the n°4 is the cook and nothing else.

 

[Julius]

Read what people are saying before aggressively typing back with tears.

CLOSEST to Vice Captain.

Luffy's shadow and #2 of crew, as per Usopp's PoV in Usopp Gallery. Labelled directly by Oda, just like SBS.

The one who acts like Vice Captain and takes up that mantle de-facto. As stated directly in Vivre Card. Not said for Sanji.

That's what he's canonically confirmed as. No one says he's OFFICIALLY Vice Captain. No shit. No one has official VC role. Zoro is de-facto Vice Captain, not official.

You're the one ignoring Vivre Card. You're the one ignoring Usopp Gallery. You're the one ignoring Oda explicitly making everyone and their mother call Zoro First Mate/RHM while NEVER doing the same for Sanji even when his bounty was higher for hundreds of chapters.

I'm searching for scraps? I have literally every canonical source calling Zoro closest thing to Vice Captain/RHM/FM while there's not even a single filler scene that puts Sanji in same light.



That Vivre Card line, from Oda, specifically calls Zoro as the one who takes the mantle of Vice Captain.

That alone more than Sanji has ever been called in history of Manga, anime, and every filler material including even fucking video games.

And I have far more than that.



Zoro has been the one to take command and call shots when he was present and Luffy wasn't, regardless of whether Sanji was there or not.

He took the charge to Oars. He commanded entire crew into battle following Yasui's death.

Sanji acting independently and saying he'll deny his captain's orders and do whatever he wants during the train is cool, but that has nothing to do with the fact that Sanji only ever takes charge of SHP when Zoro and Luffy both aren't present or bothering, never with.

These pages should speak for themselves

Usopp is seeing Sanji and Zoro's discussion, and the first thing he thinks about is: Someone needs to act as the Vice Captain.

I wonder why?

Spoiler

Sanji was literally called the Captain of the crew, he even had a name for his "own crew"

Obviously you will say that if Zoro was there, then Zoro would be the Captain, right? Because supposedly thats how Oda and Luffy treats Zoro and Sanji, right? Zoro is the Captain wannabe and Sanji is his subbordinate, wow that happened so many times in the manga i already lost the count

 

[mrtsrdr]

Why is so important to be vice captain:)))