Yhwach vs Strongest Nasuverse character
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Yhwach with everything?
Well standard Servants and everything below them like mages are out of the question. Yhwach destroys the vast majority of Servants with just his standard Quincy moveset, Almighty sealing the deal for the rare few that call for it
Can probably beat some of the weaker, less esoteric or 1 trick pony of the Beasts and Lostbelt Kings. For Beasts, Kiara comes to mind while Kings, he can beat that one from the Chinese Singularity perhaps
Well standard Servants and everything below them like mages are out of the question. Yhwach destroys the vast majority of Servants with just his standard Quincy moveset, Almighty sealing the deal for the rare few that call for it
Can probably beat some of the weaker, less esoteric or 1 trick pony of the Beasts and Lostbelt Kings. For Beasts, Kiara comes to mind while Kings, he can beat that one from the Chinese Singularity perhaps
You do realize even in early Type Moon Gil was never the top dog right? Outmatched by full power Arcuied even when he’s on paper a good match for countering her according to Nasu and the Ultimate Ones.
Throw in today, and the number of Nasu characters stronger than him has literally multiplied.
He’s not even the strongest Servant anymore. One confirmed rival that matches him in everything, Enkidu, and things like Grand and Beast Servants would absolutely body him one-on-one.
Gil sees Yhwach as a threat and pulls out Ea. As he charges up Enuma Elish, he suddenly sees the spinning blades disappear and Yhwach via Almighty already holding the missing piece as a crumpled heap in his hand by destroying it in the immediate future.
GG
Throw in today, and the number of Nasu characters stronger than him has literally multiplied.
He’s not even the strongest Servant anymore. One confirmed rival that matches him in everything, Enkidu, and things like Grand and Beast Servants would absolutely body him one-on-one.
Gil sees Yhwach as a threat and pulls out Ea. As he charges up Enuma Elish, he suddenly sees the spinning blades disappear and Yhwach via Almighty already holding the missing piece as a crumpled heap in his hand by destroying it in the immediate future.
GG
Tiamat’s death was a group effort to get by her multiple layers of immortality
She cannot be slain on Earth so long as any other life exists so she was first sent to the Underworld, a place of no life spawned from her, for that version of her immortality cut off.
Then there’s her No Concept of Death on top of that that King Hassan had to apply on to temporarily make her able to be killed through his Noble Phantasm.
And finally, there’s factoring all the damage compounded on her by the team.
At that point, Gilgamesh could kill her. Without any of the above, he wouldn’t be able to do a thing beyond mildly annoy her
She cannot be slain on Earth so long as any other life exists so she was first sent to the Underworld, a place of no life spawned from her, for that version of her immortality cut off.
Then there’s her No Concept of Death on top of that that King Hassan had to apply on to temporarily make her able to be killed through his Noble Phantasm.
And finally, there’s factoring all the damage compounded on her by the team.
At that point, Gilgamesh could kill her. Without any of the above, he wouldn’t be able to do a thing beyond mildly annoy her
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Nope. Bout time you leaned what a full power Enuma Elish is. And not just one, but 2 full power Enuma Elish at that
^ That’s the combined might of Gilgamesh and his eternal equal Enkidu. Powerful but not enough to destroy the planet, let alone universe.
Can it fuck up Yhwach? Sure. But the problem is that to reach full power, the 3 cyclinders that make up Ea need to spin and gather up wind and build up power. By then, Yhwach would have already broken the weapon before it even fires at any output.
And just to nip this in the bud for good, it’s outright stated that even among the Top Servants of the entire franchise which includes Gilgamesh, there doesn’t exist a Noble Phantasm that can destroy the entire planet. Or even enough for the planets defenses, the Counter Force, to kick in
I believe you mean Tamamo No Mae and no. Full power Tamamo isn’t even Tamamo or a Servant anymore, but the Top Tier Divine Spirit Amaterasu who is both far above the paygrade of any Servant, mostly featless, and only hyped to have the same energy levels as the actual Sun.
^ That’s the combined might of Gilgamesh and his eternal equal Enkidu. Powerful but not enough to destroy the planet, let alone universe.
Can it fuck up Yhwach? Sure. But the problem is that to reach full power, the 3 cyclinders that make up Ea need to spin and gather up wind and build up power. By then, Yhwach would have already broken the weapon before it even fires at any output.
And just to nip this in the bud for good, it’s outright stated that even among the Top Servants of the entire franchise which includes Gilgamesh, there doesn’t exist a Noble Phantasm that can destroy the entire planet. Or even enough for the planets defenses, the Counter Force, to kick in
I believe you mean Tamamo No Mae and no. Full power Tamamo isn’t even Tamamo or a Servant anymore, but the Top Tier Divine Spirit Amaterasu who is both far above the paygrade of any Servant, mostly featless, and only hyped to have the same energy levels as the actual Sun.
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not sure what this proves
When gilgamesh in this same set of images says he splits heaven
Good thing gilgamesh aint just a top servant but the strongest
the king of all heroes
and even then, let's pretend
you wouldt ignore similar statements if you disagree with them
yknow like with pokemon ie wankmon
Purple prose that’s symbolic more than literal since Ea takes its name after one of the Mesopotamian creator gods and the attack Enuma Elish, is named after the Babylonian Creation story which did not mention any sword doing so, Tiamat and other primordial gods did in both the real life lore and Fate’s lore.
This would be like arguing Yhwach is literally YHVH since his name is a butchering of Yahweh by Kubo.
And Yhwach is literally God and the Sternritter his angels. Obviously 🙄
Just a title that comes from Gilgamesh being the oldest hero and owning nearly every weapon that would come to be the Noble Phantasms and major weapons of all legendary heroes throughout history after him.
And before you go overboard on this too, a weakness to this is that Gilgamesh has no clue how to properly utilize the vast majority of the original weapons in his vault beyond spamming them like missiles compared to heroes after him that mastered the single weapon(s) that defined their legend.
So if he were to have fought Cu with just his own Gae Bolg and nothing else, he’d get his ass handed to him. Gil is all about fighting with overwhelming quantity over quality.
Good thing this is backed up here since we never get any planet busting or beyond feats in Fate outside beings far beyond the weight class of any Servant
This would be like arguing Yhwach is literally YHVH since his name is a butchering of Yahweh by Kubo.
And Yhwach is literally God and the Sternritter his angels. Obviously 🙄
Just a title that comes from Gilgamesh being the oldest hero and owning nearly every weapon that would come to be the Noble Phantasms and major weapons of all legendary heroes throughout history after him.
And before you go overboard on this too, a weakness to this is that Gilgamesh has no clue how to properly utilize the vast majority of the original weapons in his vault beyond spamming them like missiles compared to heroes after him that mastered the single weapon(s) that defined their legend.
So if he were to have fought Cu with just his own Gae Bolg and nothing else, he’d get his ass handed to him. Gil is all about fighting with overwhelming quantity over quality.
and even then, let's pretend
you wouldt ignore similar statements if you disagree with them
yknow like with pokemon ie wankmon
you wouldt ignore similar statements if you disagree with them
yknow like with pokemon ie wankmon
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Given it's said
that the weapon created the universe in both grand order
and your own bloody screenshot
it's very consistent
but you can reply with creation feats dont count or whatever as if you dont count arceus creating the universe as a reason for him being multiverse lv
This is nonsense
I have never argued name origin or mythological basis as a reason for why characters are super strong or super weak
If, I did then why have i opposed god of war fanboys who use greek mythology to wank kratos rather then the actual games
Gilgamesh has the originals which are more powerful
gil's gae borg exceeds the normal one
No matter how hard you try, a replica cant beat the original - gilgamesh
pokewank is never backed up
It's pretty much featless and of the feats they do have, it's all with contradiction to the multiverse wank
unlike fate
Gilgamesh literally destroyed all of alexander's the great's realm not even trying
Given it's said
that the weapon created the universe in both grand order
and your own bloody screenshot
it's very consistent
that the weapon created the universe in both grand order
and your own bloody screenshot
it's very consistent
Stop arguing with Pokémon already. I’m completely indifferent towards that series and could care less.
That’s what you’ve been doing with Hur Dur Gil is called the King of Heroes. Probably without even knowing why he even has that title.
Gilgamesh has the originals which are more powerful
gil's gae borg exceeds the normal one
No matter how hard you try, a replica cant beat the original - gilgamesh
gil's gae borg exceeds the normal one
No matter how hard you try, a replica cant beat the original - gilgamesh
And just to further add to my point Shirou would go on to throw Gil’s words right back at his face and prove him wrong once they fought in the Unlimited Blade Works route. Even though Gil’s weapons are superior to the replicas projected by Shirou’s Unlimited Blade Works, Gilgamesh was unable to capitalize on this advantage because again, as Shirou himself called him out for, Gil doesn’t know how to properly utilize the majority of weapons beyond mindlessly firing them and that if either of them fought with a single weapon against a trained hero, they’d both lose.
So when faced with an opponent like Shirou who while still weaker than him but can match him in weapon spamming, he’s caught in a bind from lack of experience in utilizing weapons properly.
That’s not a universe, that’s a Reality Marble which isn’t even on the scale of a Texture.
Furthermore, Gil didn’t destroy it completely on his own, he just destroyed the piece of land the armies were standing on and since the whole Reality Marble was being maintained by the prana of Iskandar’s army, it dissipated on its own once enough soldiers were killed.
“Rider and Waver could not ascertain all of this to the end. To begin with, the Reality Marble they were in was maintained by the total prana of the summoned Heroic Spirits. Before the world itself disappeared, the bounded field broke apart at the seams once over half of the army had been lost, and the distorted laws of space once again returned to the way they had been.
And so, as though awakening from a dream, Bucephalus, carrying the two of them, landed on the great bridge of nighttime Fuyuki.
On the opposite bridgehead the golden Archer stood, blocking their path with a bewitching smile. The location of the two did not change; it was as though time had rewinded back to the outset of the battle.”
- Fate/Zero Light Novel Act 16 Part 4
Bob, Gilgamesh is no more “universal” than Kaguya or Momoshiki are. And by feats, arguably even less than either of them. And unlike them, he’s a glass cannon to boot who doesn’t scale in anyway to his own Ea’s power.
Yhwach stomps
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