General & Others The monter trio never disappeared
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Tbf they needed his water ability to put out the fires caused by loki
Jinbei was there to resolve the conflict easily and boost SH rep to elbaf. After that he was taken out of the picture bc his role was over
Jinbei being the hypetool this time dont disprove the fact he might be closer to M3 trio than mid trio powerwise
Jinbei was there to resolve the conflict easily and boost SH rep to elbaf. After that he was taken out of the picture bc his role was over
Jinbei being the hypetool this time dont disprove the fact he might be closer to M3 trio than mid trio powerwise
First, please add a summary of what happened in your thread, thats a long post not a lot of people would sit down and read
Second, no shit, the monster trio is still there, just sanji has a lot more haters now than he did in pre time skip, so sanji haters put sanji out of the monster trio, he's never been out of it
Second, no shit, the monster trio is still there, just sanji has a lot more haters now than he did in pre time skip, so sanji haters put sanji out of the monster trio, he's never been out of it
Before Wano he was the key deterrent to stalling BM tho. Oda already proved he was more than capable in terms of combat ability until Elbaf where everybody will get powercliffed at some point
And no he did not fight WW to the same diff as Franky did to Sasaki what. Sasaki actually destroyed General Shogun while Jinbei destroyed WW without much trouble
Put Sanji Zoro in Jinbei’s situation. I do not see them faring much better If they get caught by the arrows. Certainly not Sanji as he is unable to hurt women.
And no he did not fight WW to the same diff as Franky did to Sasaki what. Sasaki actually destroyed General Shogun while Jinbei destroyed WW without much trouble
Put Sanji Zoro in Jinbei’s situation. I do not see them faring much better If they get caught by the arrows. Certainly not Sanji as he is unable to hurt women.
Before Wano, Chopper and Brook stopped big mom as well. Jinbe looked better but he was being compared to chopper Brook and Nami. 3 of the absolute weakest straw hats.
And it was the same diff. Both using ultimate moves, both taking an entire week to fully replenish their strength after the fight. Jinbe couldn’t destroy who’s who. Dude had to go all out and use an ultimate attack after he got his body and face cut and pierced to Hell. He high diffed who’s who just like Franky high diffed sasaki.
Put Zoro or Sanji in the situation and colon doesn’t get captured.
And it was the same diff. Both using ultimate moves, both taking an entire week to fully replenish their strength after the fight. Jinbe couldn’t destroy who’s who. Dude had to go all out and use an ultimate attack after he got his body and face cut and pierced to Hell. He high diffed who’s who just like Franky high diffed sasaki.
Put Zoro or Sanji in the situation and colon doesn’t get captured.
M3 has always been the top 3 being separated from the rest of the crew. Imo it will never change and it will only be added to. Jinbe didn't join in fmi because he was to strong and mess up the dynamic. It would have been luffy jinbe and zoro as a trio if sanji joined in fmi.Yamato didn't join in wano because she is to strong and mess up the dynamic. It would be luffy yamato and zoro a trio right now if yamato joined in wano. The m3 will always be luffy zoro and sanji but they could be added to like with jinbe now. The 4 of them are completely above anyone else in the crew but they aren't a m4 jinbe is just close enough to sanji to not be completely left in the dust but there is still a clear gap between them with the top 3 obviously being zoro luffy and sanji. If Yamato joins she wouldn't disrupt the dynamic as sanji would likely be stronger than her by then. She'd be the new jinbe with the m3 still being the core.
True, the crew dynamics established in the beginning will persist until end of story. There maybe some additions as new members are added like we saw with Oda adding Jinbe into the mix where Sanji starts also competing with him. The power levels will also persist where Zoro and Luffy are equal strength wise and Sanji is one level below.
Tbh I don’t think Luffy having a top 3 commanders like kaido for example necessarily erases the monster trio dynamic. Same way Luffy and Zoro’s dynamic doesn’t no matter how many people wish it would
As of now it’s clear oda intends to make Zoro Sanji and Jinbe his top 3 commander equivalent
But yeah Luffy and Zoro’s dynamic don’t erase the monster trio dynamic and the monster trio doesn’t erase Luffy and his 3 commanders dynamic
Tho as to whether Jinbe will keep his position or get surpassed by other strawhats idk…
Tbh I don’t think Luffy having his own Oden/Yamato potentially stronger than Zoro and Sanji would change their dynamic either
As of now it’s clear oda intends to make Zoro Sanji and Jinbe his top 3 commander equivalent
But yeah Luffy and Zoro’s dynamic don’t erase the monster trio dynamic and the monster trio doesn’t erase Luffy and his 3 commanders dynamic
Tho as to whether Jinbe will keep his position or get surpassed by other strawhats idk…
Tbh I don’t think Luffy having his own Oden/Yamato potentially stronger than Zoro and Sanji would change their dynamic either
- Oden didn’t change Roger’s dynamic with Rayleigh and Gaban
- Same with Ace joining Whitebeard because Marco and Jozu where still his main men
- Kinda same with Yamato king and queen
I get the obsession with it given Jinbe's standing as a Shichibukai but it's quite evident that even his addition isn't going to affect the M3 dynamic.
- In the same arc Jinbe joined, Oda established the "Wings" dynamic in the manga and made him face off against a Tobi Roppo whereas as Zoro and Sanji fought Calamities - *Massive Red Flag No.1
- On Egghead he was largely anonymous even though the rest of the M3 all made significant battle contributions in the arc. Hell even Franky played a bigger role than Jinbe on Egghead. - *Not as massive as the above but still a red flag
- On Elbaf Oda's been banging on about the M3 dynamic and even making direct comparions to the Roger Pirates with the most damning revelation I think being that Roger, Ray and Gaban were significantly that the rest of the Roger Pirates. Considering the parallel, that is a strong indication that Jinbe is going to be left behind by Sanji and Zoro if he hasn't already. Then there's the fact that he's being group with the weaker SHs and is being potrayed to be just as powerless as they are with Nami even calling him out for it.
To me it looks very much like setup for the M3 to parallel the revelation Oda made about Roger, Ray and Gaban being that much stronger than the rest of the crew especially if you consider that they are being separated from the rest of the crew and coming in for the rescue when shit has hit the fan and the others are defensless and being held captive - Massive Red Flags all round
Now the argument is probably going to be about bounties but the reality is that Jinbe's bounty only conveniently rose that high as a result of the Shichibukai's bounties getting unfrozen with each and every one of them getting massive bounties even in comparison to the Yonko Commanders. If that event didn't happen, considering he beat a Tobi Roppo like Franky and Robin, chances are that his bounty would be in the high 100bils.
Then there is the illusion of Jinbe comfortably beating a Tobi Roppo hence the tendency to put him significantly above them but I really do think he got an easier draw in comparison to the likes of Franky or Nami and Usopp with regards to the difficulty of the opponent he faced. Who's Who is prolly the strongest Tobi Roppo from a portrayal stand point and Jinbe is most likely in that commander range but make Who's Who a dino zoan and Jinbe doesn't beat him nearly as easily as he did imo. Regardless the result is the result.
Anyways I went off on a tangent a bit there but I think there are strong indications that Jinbe isn't going to be able to keep up with the M3.
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Sanji looked abs cheeks in WCI powerwise. Jinbei was without doubt the superior fighter
Jinbei was considered YC3 level and around same range as Sanji until his powerup
Jinbei was fighting WW entire crew fresh on both ends. Franky didnt. Jinbei haki also embarrassed WW when he hurt himself by poking the fish. That was clearly mid diff at most
Sanji without doubt. He not stopping colon from getting choke diffed and flown away. He not attacking Gunko either
Gunko redirects Zoro and he is caught off guard by her abilities. His horrible sense of direction makes him ez target to get controlled by arrow direction. He may not get captured but he wont stop her from kidnapping colon either
Jinbei was considered YC3 level and around same range as Sanji until his powerup
Jinbei was fighting WW entire crew fresh on both ends. Franky didnt. Jinbei haki also embarrassed WW when he hurt himself by poking the fish. That was clearly mid diff at most
Sanji without doubt. He not stopping colon from getting choke diffed and flown away. He not attacking Gunko either
Gunko redirects Zoro and he is caught off guard by her abilities. His horrible sense of direction makes him ez target to get controlled by arrow direction. He may not get captured but he wont stop her from kidnapping colon either
Sanji showed vastly superior showings than Jinbe in WCI. Jinbe failed to block a nerfed big Mom, Sanji actually blocked Zeus from full powered big mom.
Franky was also fighting Sasakis whole crew. And frankys tech embarrassed Sasaki when he casually through him across the room with his mech. Jinbe and Franky had the same level of opponent and beat them both by going all out and using their ultimate attack then regained their full power at the same time. It’s clear their fights were the same difficulty.
Sanji would’ve saved colon. Just like he saved Bonney from Nusjuro, Reiju from Big Mom, Momo from King/Queen, and Momo from Doffy.
Franky was also fighting Sasakis whole crew. And frankys tech embarrassed Sasaki when he casually through him across the room with his mech. Jinbe and Franky had the same level of opponent and beat them both by going all out and using their ultimate attack then regained their full power at the same time. It’s clear their fights were the same difficulty.
Sanji would’ve saved colon. Just like he saved Bonney from Nusjuro, Reiju from Big Mom, Momo from King/Queen, and Momo from Doffy.
Do Jimbe fans really want Jimbe to be treated as "Jack the Drag Down" of the crew? Sanji and Zoro are going to be so far above him it doesn't make sense for him to be in their group, his name would "drag down" their reputation by eos. They'll look down on him at some point.
It's better for him to be top of Strawhats "tobi roppo" or mid trio (now mid 4).
Or with Franky likely getting upgrades soon, he and Jimbe may form a new duo below wings but above the others.
It's better for him to be top of Strawhats "tobi roppo" or mid trio (now mid 4).
Or with Franky likely getting upgrades soon, he and Jimbe may form a new duo below wings but above the others.