It's funny how people got mocked for simply saying that Kaido's 7 losses in the past were actually just the times he let himself be captured in order to eat the food on the navy ships, which is logical since Oda gave us those panels for a reason after all lmao
Yet when an Admiral loses to someone that isn't another Admiral, and all we're given is "He got killed during the Reverie", suddenly everyone is a super intelligent manga analyst that can figure out the exact method he was killed and what he was doing when he got killed and why he didn't just sense Rocks and stop him from beating his ass.