Questions & Mysteries CoC specialists vs. CoC users

[sanjikun]

I've seen a lot of people argue that X character shouldn't have CoC because they don't have the quailities of a king/leader, etc.

But I think there is a difference between CoC specialists and people who simply unlock CoC

This is the difference between Shanks and Mihawk. Shanks is like Luffy a CoC specialist, while Mihawk is like Zoro a CoA specialist. They will unlock CoC, but it's not their bread and butter.

I know Oda introduced it as just CoC users point blank, but explaining the nuts and bolts would ruin the drama.

In general

CoC user = Highly amibitious person

CoC specialist = King/Leader

PK = King of Kings

So CoC is simply the mark of an ambitious person, and CoC specialists are the true kings and leaders.

 

[Rumble]

Never cook again.

 

[Salah WG]

And when Mihawk proves to have a PhD in CoC, what will next cope be?
It's all about the intentions?

 

[sanjikun]

And when Mihawk proves to have a PhD in CoC, what will next cope be?
It's all about the intentions?

Um, no one said Mihawk doesn't have CoC. It's just not his speciality.

Zoro proved you can be a CoA specialist and be WSS.

 

[Guymieux]

Zoro done with coa all his upgrades for the past 4 years are relating to coc. Stop the nonsense also coo is the most useless haki so who gives a f

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

This is the difference between Shanks and Mihawk. Shanks is like Luffy a CoC specialist, while Mihawk is like Zoro a CoA specialist. They will unlock CoC, but it's not their bread butter.

This argument fell apart in Wano when it’s shown that Luffy has better CoA than Zoro too

and of course you’re actively ignoring that Luffy has better CoO than CoO specialist Sanji

This means anyone can be as good with any type of Haki as Oda wants no matter the “specialization”.

the only difference between CoC users is how much CoC they have and how much training they have with their CoC.

it’s not a specialization thing. It’s just a straight up power level difference

 

[Salah WG]

Um, no one said Mihawk doesn't have CoC. It's just not his speciality.

Zoro proved you can be a CoA specialist and be WSS.

Dude, those Three are rookies, specialty refers to which one They were better at learning,
And it also referred only to Basic Haki, as Luffy only had Basic CoC while Sanji only had Basic CoO,

But when you learn all there is about Haki & reach Highest Mastery possible, there is no Specialty anymore,
Stop comparing Rookies who are still learning what is even Haki to Combat Masters who already graduated & finished school.

 

[sanjikun]

This argument fell apart in Wano when it’s shown that Luffy has better CoA than Zoro too

and of course you’re actively ignoring that Luffy has better CoO than CoO specialist Sanji

This means anyone can be as good with any type of Haki as Oda wants no matter the “specialization”.

the only difference between CoC users is how much CoC they have and how much training they have with their CoC.

it’s not a specialization thing. It’s just a straight up power level difference

You're arguing against a straw man. I never said non-specialists can't have stronger Haki than specialists. I'm sure Mihawk had better CoC than Luffy out of the timeskip.

This thread is about personalities not strength and why certain characters that have CoC don't seem like kings or leaders.

 

[Rumble]

Dude, those Three are rookies, specialty refers to which one They were better at learning,
And it also referred only to Basic Haki, as Luffy only had Basic CoC while Sanji only had Basic CoO,

But when you learn all there is about Haki & reach Highest Mastery possible, there is no Specialty anymore,
Stop comparing Rookies who are still learning what is even Haki to Combat Masters who already graduated & finished school.

Some actual common sense.

 

[sanjikun]

I'm making a thread about personalities, and some fanboys are still crying about powerscaling.

This has literally 0 nothing to do with powerscaling. It's simply pointing out that CoC specialists are the true kings/leaders in personalities.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Zoro doesn't have CoC, enma does

Luffy doesn't have CoC, the Straw Hat does

Doffy doesn't have CoC, his glasses does

Only Chinjao is a real CoC user

 

[Steven]

IM and JB had most likely some next level ACoC

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

You're arguing against a straw man. I never said non-specialists can't have stronger Haki than specialists. I'm sure Mihawk had better CoC than Luffy out of the timeskip.

This thread is about personalities not strength and why certain characters that have CoC don't seem like kings or leaders.

You said CoC specialist are the “true rulers” which in one piece you’re saying they’d be the bosses of the “non-CoC specialists”. So you are making a power scaling statement

 

[nik87]

The reason why Zoro isnt a CoC specialist is because he wants to be the strongest in the world.
And you cannot achieve that by specializing in CoC, due to CoC being a fixed buff.
That's why he is a CoA specialist, because it isnt fixed and you can achieve things other's cant - as evident through KOH mode.

CoC specialist cannot match Zoro's haki coating because they arent specializing in CoA.
That's why their purpose is to be the great leaders while Zoro's purpose is to be the strongest.
That's why all these great leaders of the past had countless equals, because they specialized in CoC.

 

[sanjikun]

You said CoC specialist are the “true rulers” which in one piece you’re saying they’d be the bosses of the “non-CoC specialists”. So you are making a power scaling statement

Not necessarily, because Mihawk is a lone wolf for example.

 

[MonsterKaido]

There is no coc specialist. Only handful of strongest have acoc and even among them the distinguishing factor is whether one has sky split level acoc or not. Like yamato having acoc but not on the level of sky splitters.

Roger and garp's peak attack was plain acoc coating for example.

Shanks is no different for now. All top tiers who have acoc have sky split level of it.

Imu and joyboy are god tiers so they are exceptions.

 

[Crow]

The reason why Zoro isnt a CoC specialist

Zoro went from no conscious CoC to conscious island wide top tier level adv CoC + no touch application within 1-3 minutes, proven by the countdown.

Given that affinity and capacity, IF there's any CoC expert in OP it is Zoro. He's just a beast in CoA too.

I don't think this sbs stuff from 20 years ago is still valid.

 

[sanjikun]

There is no coc specialist.

It's literally right there in the SBS lol

Zoro went from no conscious CoC to conscious island wide top tier level adv CoC + no touch application within 1-3 minutes, proven by the countdown.

Given that affinity and capacity, IF there's any CoC expert in OP it is Zoro. He's just a beast in CoA too.

I don't think this sbs stuff from 20 years ago is still valid.

It's clear WSS is more about CoA. Mihawk's blade proves this too.

 

[MonsterKaido]

It's literally right there in the SBS lol

Luffy is special case. Eos luffy's coc >>>>>> Shanks's coc

 

[Guymieux]

It's literally right there in the SBS lol



It's clear WSS is more about CoA. Mihawk's blade proves this too.

Coa does is list cost their blades with coc