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Can see where a little mix up happened, but the context and point is exactly the same.
Can see where a little mix up happened, but the context and point is exactly the same.
I mostly care about the context mate. That's why I talk about material conditions and ethics so much. I don't think you understand just how much I care about the context.
And there is context in both situation. Me killing someone for a specific context doesn't mean that there is no context in a situation where a rando kills someone because they "rub them the wrong way". In reality, there are many contextual factor related to domination systems that can explain this action.
But to understand that, what you know as "context" must be extended, because the context in this situation is much bigger than the situation itself.
Oh, really? What If I told you that to save the entire humanity, you need to kill a racist supremacist ? Wouldn't you at least hesitate ?
You oppose an ethical action against an unethical one here. Why?
Of course killing in self defense is more justifiable than killing out of the blue. It's not even a question. The point that we are talking about here are unethical actions. And in the case of unethical actions, we are ALL on the scale. And there are many scales
When someone says "you are retarded", well they are creating an ableist climate, it's a form of violence against people like me. When they say "Trany", it's a form of cissexism, same for others forms of violences.
Nobody here is perfect, not even me, we are ALL on the scale, sometimes high, sometimes low, but we all participate in violence, simply because our system created this violence. People will be out of the scale the day there will be an education where these domination systems won't exist. But this day is nowhere near.
Saying "rapist or murderers or wife beaters are monsters" is the same as saying "they are on the scale, but not me".
Marxism*
Trotskyism, today, is too fuzy and confusionnistic to be a relevant label
So you did twisted my words, but to a reasonnable ammount this time
Ok. I take that back
Ok, so you are a racialized man that:
- Lived in a poor neighborhood
- Was constantly harassed by the police weekly
- Faced the consequences of systemic racism on a daily basis
And..
You became a cop. A weapon of this system
Well... yeah..
Indeed, I failed to take that possibility of this kind of behavior into account. Which is crazy since Fanon made a text specifically about it, something I mentionned clearly arond that time. Lucky mistake.
And there is context in both situation. Me killing someone for a specific context doesn't mean that there is no context in a situation where a rando kills someone because they "rub them the wrong way". In reality, there are many contextual factor related to domination systems that can explain this action.
But to understand that, what you know as "context" must be extended, because the context in this situation is much bigger than the situation itself.
Oh, really? What If I told you that to save the entire humanity, you need to kill a racist supremacist ? Wouldn't you at least hesitate ?
You oppose an ethical action against an unethical one here. Why?
Of course killing in self defense is more justifiable than killing out of the blue. It's not even a question. The point that we are talking about here are unethical actions. And in the case of unethical actions, we are ALL on the scale. And there are many scales
When someone says "you are retarded", well they are creating an ableist climate, it's a form of violence against people like me. When they say "Trany", it's a form of cissexism, same for others forms of violences.
Nobody here is perfect, not even me, we are ALL on the scale, sometimes high, sometimes low, but we all participate in violence, simply because our system created this violence. People will be out of the scale the day there will be an education where these domination systems won't exist. But this day is nowhere near.
Saying "rapist or murderers or wife beaters are monsters" is the same as saying "they are on the scale, but not me".
Marxism*
Trotskyism, today, is too fuzy and confusionnistic to be a relevant label
So you did twisted my words, but to a reasonnable ammount this time
Ok. I take that back
Ok, so you are a racialized man that:
- Lived in a poor neighborhood
- Was constantly harassed by the police weekly
- Faced the consequences of systemic racism on a daily basis
And..
You became a cop. A weapon of this system
Well... yeah..
Indeed, I failed to take that possibility of this kind of behavior into account. Which is crazy since Fanon made a text specifically about it, something I mentionned clearly arond that time. Lucky mistake.
So you did twisted my words, but to a reasonnable ammount this time
Ok. I take that back
Ok, so you are a racialized man that:
- Lived in a poor neighborhood
- Was constantly harassed by the police weekly
- Faced the consequences of systemic racism on a daily basis
And..
You became a cop. A weapon of this system
Well... yeah..
Indeed, I failed to take that possibility of this kind of behavior into account. Which is crazy since Fanon made a text specifically about it, something I mentionned clearly arond that time. Lucky mistake.
Ok. I take that back
Ok, so you are a racialized man that:
- Lived in a poor neighborhood
- Was constantly harassed by the police weekly
- Faced the consequences of systemic racism on a daily basis
And..
You became a cop. A weapon of this system
Well... yeah..
Indeed, I failed to take that possibility of this kind of behavior into account. Which is crazy since Fanon made a text specifically about it, something I mentionned clearly arond that time. Lucky mistake.
That’s kinda the point, isn’t it?? Israelis are Zionists purely based on their geographical location and allegiance, being Jewish is almost besides the point for them except when they can use that as a shield from criticism…those of us outside of that place can look at it differently and see the chinks in Bibi’s armor, but even then, the two concepts have been conflated so much that most Jews wanna defend an illegally occupied state that they don’t have any real connection with.
I mostly care about the context mate. That's why I talk about material conditions and ethics so much. I don't think you understand just how much I care about the context.
And there is context in both situation. Me killing someone for a specific context doesn't mean that there is no context in a situation where a rando kills someone because they "rub them the wrong way". In reality, there are many contextual factor related to domination systems that can explain this action.
But to understand that, what you know as "context" must be extended, because the context in this situation is much bigger than the situation itself.
Oh, really? What If I told you that to save the entire humanity, you need to kill a racist supremacist ? Wouldn't you at least hesitate ?
You oppose an ethical action against an unethical one here. Why?
Of course killing in self defense is more justifiable than killing out of the blue. It's not even a question. The point that we are talking about here are unethical actions. And in the case of unethical actions, we are ALL on the scale. And there are many scales
When someone says "you are retarded", well they are creating an ableist climate, it's a form of violence against people like me. When they say "Trany", it's a form of cissexism, same for others forms of violences.
Nobody here is perfect, not even me, we are ALL on the scale, sometimes high, sometimes low, but we all participate in violence, simply because our system created this violence. People will be out of the scale the day there will be an education where these domination systems won't exist. But this day is nowhere near.
Saying "rapist or murderers or wife beaters are monsters" is the same as saying "they are on the scale, but not me".
Marxism*
Trotskyism, today, is too fuzy and confusionnistic to be a relevant label
So you did twisted my words, but to a reasonnable ammount this time
Ok. I take that back
Ok, so you are a racialized man that:
- Lived in a poor neighborhood
- Was constantly harassed by the police weekly
- Faced the consequences of systemic racism on a daily basis
And..
You became a cop. A weapon of this system
Well... yeah..
Indeed, I failed to take that possibility of this kind of behavior into account. Which is crazy since Fanon made a text specifically about it, something I mentionned clearly arond that time. Lucky mistake.
And there is context in both situation. Me killing someone for a specific context doesn't mean that there is no context in a situation where a rando kills someone because they "rub them the wrong way". In reality, there are many contextual factor related to domination systems that can explain this action.
But to understand that, what you know as "context" must be extended, because the context in this situation is much bigger than the situation itself.
Oh, really? What If I told you that to save the entire humanity, you need to kill a racist supremacist ? Wouldn't you at least hesitate ?
You oppose an ethical action against an unethical one here. Why?
Of course killing in self defense is more justifiable than killing out of the blue. It's not even a question. The point that we are talking about here are unethical actions. And in the case of unethical actions, we are ALL on the scale. And there are many scales
When someone says "you are retarded", well they are creating an ableist climate, it's a form of violence against people like me. When they say "Trany", it's a form of cissexism, same for others forms of violences.
Nobody here is perfect, not even me, we are ALL on the scale, sometimes high, sometimes low, but we all participate in violence, simply because our system created this violence. People will be out of the scale the day there will be an education where these domination systems won't exist. But this day is nowhere near.
Saying "rapist or murderers or wife beaters are monsters" is the same as saying "they are on the scale, but not me".
Marxism*
Trotskyism, today, is too fuzy and confusionnistic to be a relevant label
So you did twisted my words, but to a reasonnable ammount this time
Ok. I take that back
Ok, so you are a racialized man that:
- Lived in a poor neighborhood
- Was constantly harassed by the police weekly
- Faced the consequences of systemic racism on a daily basis
And..
You became a cop. A weapon of this system
Well... yeah..
Indeed, I failed to take that possibility of this kind of behavior into account. Which is crazy since Fanon made a text specifically about it, something I mentionned clearly arond that time. Lucky mistake.
People who beat their wife, or rape children, or mass murder people, or whatever else, they aren't humans. Maybe they are humans in a literal sense, but from a psychological/emotional standpoint, they aren't. They don't have the same logical tendencies as normal human beings, their brains are warped beyond repair.
Also, you shouldn't say slurs against trans people like that. I'm not calling you transphobic or anything, but I just wouldn't do it, personally. There's a reason why I never say the n word, hard r or not, here despite me being african american.
Slavery was also "normal" for a good while. I don't have a good view of you in general, but I think it'd be low for even you to think slavery was fine just because the majority of people either supported it or turned a blind eye to it back then.
Me and you both know you likely won't say that. So let's not use "it was seen as normal for a large part of history" as an excuse.
Me and you both know you likely won't say that. So let's not use "it was seen as normal for a large part of history" as an excuse.
Most people didn't engage in slavery which is the difference
We are talking about how humanity is pretty "rough around the edges" when the ideal environment isn't provided, we have a biological aversion to killing people or raping kids, but humanity without the cultural guidance of Greek Gnostic Enlightenment and the ideal economic situation didn't have that same aversion to many things we consider bad biologically
We are talking about how humanity is pretty "rough around the edges" when the ideal environment isn't provided, we have a biological aversion to killing people or raping kids, but humanity without the cultural guidance of Greek Gnostic Enlightenment and the ideal economic situation didn't have that same aversion to many things we consider bad biologically
Thus proving that you would kill in another not necessarily ethical context.
So you are still seeing yourself out of the scale then.
And morality is not viable to understand the world.
Ethics are much better as they take contextual matter into account.
It's crazy the ignorance of liberals sometimes...
Listen, be dumb if you want, I do not consider it my place to make this place evolve anymore. It's gonna crumble anyway.
Yeah, I could say T-Word. But in a toxic place where trans people are already excluded and where the word is invibilized, the chances are, noone will understand what it means. So using it to denounce its usage is a necessity to make it visible then push people to prevent its usage. But this is mainly a different of culture.
The problem of words are the usage as dehumanization method. Not the denunciation of those dehumanizations. That would be the level 0 of activism.
But I agree that you should use the word that you want. I've never been against a black person using the n-word here.
So you are still seeing yourself out of the scale then.
And morality is not viable to understand the world.
Ethics are much better as they take contextual matter into account.
It's crazy the ignorance of liberals sometimes...
Listen, be dumb if you want, I do not consider it my place to make this place evolve anymore. It's gonna crumble anyway.
Yeah, I could say T-Word. But in a toxic place where trans people are already excluded and where the word is invibilized, the chances are, noone will understand what it means. So using it to denounce its usage is a necessity to make it visible then push people to prevent its usage. But this is mainly a different of culture.
The problem of words are the usage as dehumanization method. Not the denunciation of those dehumanizations. That would be the level 0 of activism.
But I agree that you should use the word that you want. I've never been against a black person using the n-word here.