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There's only one socialism and that's what the word stands for. All the "mixed" economies rely on capitalism.

Logiko is gonna name us the Four Horsemen of Capitalism :risiflip:

The word socialism has meaning. :dank:

Socialism and socialist policy are two completely different goalposts. But that's why I defined socialism every time I used it :dankfoil:

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Okay, so if we lived in a vacuum and nothing existed beforehand, socialism could work. So never :milaugh: I mean I agree, it could never work.

:Think: so you're repeating what I said

Yes, but you're wrong, it's not a circumstance, dictatorship is a result of implemented socialism. Socialism as a standalone system? There's no standalone system lol, we don't live in a vacuum.

You're the one arguing it's never been tried, it has been, repeatedly. You can't impose real socialism in any circumstances without force. That is the whole point. Good. Okay then we agree that it should crash and burn :catUp:

All tried examples ended up collapsing miserably. What you’re basically saying is, let’s ignore the twenty times it failed and try again? Lol, forced redistribution has consistently been shown not to work. Socialism as an economic system fails in practice. You can debate for the merits of a...

I don't think you understood a word which was said...

That might be his issue, yeah :josad:

I'm going to try one more time here; Every example of socialism, aka economic system with social ownership of the means of production, is shit. There's no good example in existence. USSR, China, Cuba, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, North Korea, Vietnam etc. etc. The countries which recovered...

We've been over this yesterday, Van... :christunate:

Lmao

That was not your argument, but "capitalism isn't great" is just empty words. There's nothing better that we know of.

It's the most successful economic system. But if you'd rather switch to Venezuela's method, go ahead :risiflip:

He’s never gonna be released lol They wouldn’t have done it if it wasn’t ironclad.

No, that’s factually correct.

No, sorry, we had a fully socialist state with the exact worker self-management you like. Fully. I give up :josad: