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So Yonko/Admiral level ish is your estimate?:Think: I hear you on the Mihawk ting but personally I'd argue that Zoro's ceiling or rather floor is Ryuma and not Mihawk so he's not really bound to Mihawk's level kinda like how Luffy is not bound to Roger. Also I wouldn't really sleep on Shanks...

On this discussion of who the wings fight or whether they are adequte or not, personally I'm looking at it from the perspective of what I think the narrative is demanding from them which is to become pillars strong enough to be able to support Luffy in the war he's going to be waging against the...

Don’t do bets. You can clown me after the fact if either Super Sommers or Bellingham prove to be formidable opponents of the wings coz best believe I will do the same if they don’t. Like I've said many times already I acknowledge that these bums are currently the next best ting available after Imu on...

Should've seen the Garling slander after the GV flashback lol Shite was glorious :suresure:

If the argument is that this is a transitional arc in which Imu is not going to get defeated here thus no real need to pit his top brass against Zoro and Sanji then the likelihood of Zoro and Sanji not getting any conclusive matchups is much higher than them being put against Super Sommers and...

:risisweat: Fair enuff You phrased this as "currently available" so as to sneak in the Holy Knights but that isn't necessarily true. Zoro and Sanji are typically pit against the antagonist's strongest executives and at best they usually have clashes against the second stringers so no they are...

It’s not cope it’s standards :handsup: It’s one ting for folks like @Jackteo who actually likes Super Sommers to be pushing a wings v holy knights matchup can respect that but can’t take @Welkin serious on this debate. Mans is actually saying certain Zoro & Sanji fans are in over their heads for not...

:kobeha: Bro is cooking :willight:

If Super Sommers and Kiringham walked into this arc at that level nobody would be complaining but they weren't even as strong as King and Queen. Regardless, the arc has progressed far beyong that and it's become pretty clear that even that level is not enough. Zoro and Sanji both need to be full blown...

Fair enuff ^^ So Maki is bascially synonymous with Black Flames then ^^ My bad, slipped my mind for some reason :risisweat: Remember that you posted the Shams panel when we were discussing the potentially of Sanji awakening Maki :p

If only Oda listened to me a bit more as opposed to the demons that call for "unpredictability" in his head :josad:lol With him it's usually the hope that kills you:believe:

Nika will get his ass kicked but he's not getting negg'd by Imu. So Sanji and Zoro are gonna have to step up and I think Oda had those two lose in such an unflattering manner to indicate that they need to pattern up (Luffy's time limit has somehow salvaged their blushes but Nika PU puts a...

Also not gonna lie I have zero interest in debating Wings v Super Sommers and Bellingham. If Oda decides to go that route fantastic but couldn't care less about that fight. In a world where we have Loki putting in work against the guy that one tapped Zoro and Sanji with Luffy emphaizing the the stakes...

Will need to read the actual raws to be able to get a proper read on it but some key tings from Imu and Loki's dialogue this chapter were ① Maki (Omen) dwells in all tings ② Corruption + Convenant + Power (Maki) = Dominion ③ Deal with the Devil From Loki and Imu's dialogue, Maki sounds very...

Imu’s not really gotten out of first gear yet but Loki being able to tango with him is very impressive regardless. Kinda like how Oda is emphasizing the strength of the Ancient Giants & Loki’s strength stat in particular in this fight. A shame we weren’t able to get Harald vs. Imu in some...

Given how strong Loki seems to be, I know it's a bit mad but will reserve my judgement tillI'm certain of a few things which are: ① after seeing how well Luffy performs against Imu (i.e If Luffy performs better then you can't really count the wings out just yet as they are relative to him again...

💯 which is why I think if Oda’s gonna make it something not exclusive to Imu then it has to be ‘Demonic Haki’ and not necessarily ‘evil’. So something only a literal demon can use.

Bonnie helping Sanji is a pretty nice addition by Oda considering all that went down on Egghead tbh. Wings got packed up this chapter with Loki glaze though not gonna lie :risisweat: but again like I said last chapter Loki right now is setting the standard for the M3 atm (Luffy included) so I...