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No, he already became better for tricking Saturn with Kuma's programming. His death would seal the deal.

I don't hate him now, I think he'll be great if he dies for his cause.

Also death setup matters, if Kuzan died right now, pretty sure no one would care in the story nor be impacted by it. And so readers wouldn't be too shook. IF KUMA got obliterated right now, that would be a different issue. Ace was also well done. The deaths of Wano? So badly done, no one cared.

I do not know what you are arguing for anymore, that Vegapunk doesn't deserve to die? That no one should want that outcome? Or that Oda has no intention of that despite Vegapunk just saying he's dying? :nicagesmile: Not rare at all. I shouted for Boa to die at the hand of Blackbeard, I am fine...

All the worse; he made child like beings and forced them not to act like children. Uhhh that's a Pandora's box question.

No, it's not my interpretation, it's what Oda is doing with Vegaskunk, go reread it. LOL I'm not giving Kizaru leeway of any sorts, I think he's been pretty bland and as a result I don't care about him. I wish he was as threatening and ~unsettled~ as you describe him. The reality is he hasn't...

That doesn't work since they're partly of biological nature with actual feelings and age. Needless to say weapons are not like that

Even if you disregard the pirates as bad people, he still made actual children into weapons.

Seraphims are literally part clones, part using Lunarian genetics, and part cyborg. They can age and have feelings, like S-Snake showed. If you don't find this morally dubious, you're in a lot of delusion here. No, Vegapunk started this whole thing willingly, he was very into all his "tasks"...

Not surprised. But not happy about the fake death announcement.

It's one of the oldest tricks in the book, and it's very effective. Although I do not think Oda will resort to it :josad:

Yeah, but their question is why don't we wish Kizaru dies as well? I gather it's because he's being spineless and unimportant in this arc.

I called it!

I don't, the little cheat code he did was exactly what I called for. When people were telling me that ~he can't do anything because big bad Saturn is watching him~ But Saturn is indeed useless, and Vegaskunk is the smart one.

The concepts of cloning a person or turning someone into a robot are historically viewed as unethical and morally wrong. That particular research is considered bad. No matter how idealistic he was about it at the start, even he notices the harm it does. And so, he sees himself as a fit sacrifice...

Let me clarify that this is why it's an objective truth. @felixm

Yes, Vegaskunk I single out in particular because he's a "good" guy doing morally dubious stuff for the Government, under the pretext of his scientific greed. Needless to say why such a character needs redemption - even he knows what he's doing is wrong. Oda can have people die for all kinds...

My hate in the series? I love the series :milaugh: The only objective truth is that him dying would redeem him, which is why Oda hurt him in the first place, he knows this as well. So unless if you're calling Oda utterly wrong about writing this, you too should know that characters have to...

That's all part of redemption, what he in fact did is work for the government, create weapons for them, and turned a human into a robot. Just the Bonney ordering isn't enough, him dying would be writing 101

You know what redemption means, yes?