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I never said he’s not exhausted, but not exhausted enough to disregard his reaction and battle reflexes completely? Madara can make the shield fast, Gai can attack fast, these are all well established, but what you failed to see is the effect of Gai’s first punch is what made Gai able to land...

But Kakashi could use Kamui right? Then he’s not that exhausted. Even a more exhausted Kakashi reacted to Pain’s nail and missile, so regardless, this feat is relevant. Madara doesn’t make the shield instantly, he just makes it fast, fast enough to match Gai’s attack, neither happens instantly...

So if you know how Kamui works, how would Kamui takes high level concentration and reaction be hypothetical? Gudo Dama constructs aren’t formed instantly… And both of Madara’s hands are occupied: one holding the shield, one holding his staff. Just tell me, does Madara react to Night Gai or nah?

Then Kakashi being exhausted would have an affect on his reaction time, is also hypothetical isn’t it? Kakashi talking about a completely different sequence there, than the one Kakuzu crossed him up. Madara’s barrier construct isn’t formed instantly, neither is Gai’s attack. Madara reacts to...

Kakashi has over 1000 jutsu in his arsenal, what makes you say Kamui is the only option here though? Plus if he can still Kamui, then he’s not that exhausted, Kamui requires very high level concentration and reaction time. Kakashi is obviously inferior to Madara there, reaction wise, but Kakuzu...

What makes you say Kakashi has no immediate answer? Kakashi was just answering Kakuzu’s jutsu wasn’t he? Kakashi is faster than Kakuzu, Madara is slower than Gai, yet Kakashi got crossed up, so what makes you say speed was the only factor that Madara got crossed up here? Madara reacts to Gai on...

The first punch still occupied Madara, regardless how good his senses are. Kakashi sees chakra also, still crossed up by Kakuzu, who’s slower than Kakashi. If nobody complains again, I don’t mind keep going I guess.

Last one. Not outsped, just crossed up, due to him still holding the air pressure from the first attack, which is why, I gave you the Kakuzu vs Kakashi example.

He wasn’t in a combo in that first page, he reads Gai’s movements fine. The 2nd page, that’s when he gets combo’ed, there’s a difference, that’s when he gets staggered, likely lost track of Gai’s movements. Madara couldn’t move, that is also a factor he had to use a spherical barrier. He failed...

He can’t make a barrier in an instant. And even harder in a combo, while he was getting combo’ed he likely can’t process surrounding the same as normally, like most cases. Madara was actually trying to move, but he couldn’t. Forming a 360 degrees shield was the next option, and he still made...

Curious to see what people say about Yonkos, Admirals, Warlords and Yonko commanders now.

Not staggered during first punch, but after he was hit. Do you know what I mean by he got “combo’ed”? Have you played any fighting game? Do you know what happens when you are in a combo? The 3 air pressure punches that hit Madara, can be considered a combo, their long last effect exist at once...

As I said, Madara got combo’ed after the 2nd punch(first hit). He was staggered meanwhile, you can see the 4 elephant foot like air pressure holding in place at once. Combo breaks after 4th punch, the 5th one is a direct contact finisher, requires movement speed straight at the target, Madara...

Kakashi can make hand seal and counter an attack with a jutsu, or simply block/deflect with taijutsu. Kakashi making a defensive move, would take time, just like Madara forming another shield with Gudo Dama, Gudo Dama constructs aren’t instantly formed. Both were pressured from front, both...

I mean, it shows an X factor influenced speed vs reaction feat, just like that Gai vs Madara one. Anyways, I think you get what I’m saying already.

You didn't answer my question though, talked about another concept instead, which is forming the shield. The shield was already in use, used to successfully block Gai’s first punch. Also forming objects with Gudo Dama takes time, it’s not instant. Combine Kakuzu Kakashi case, with Madara...

Let me ask you this then, is Kakashi being pressured by Kakuzu’s wind enhanced Katon, then got grabbed by Kakuzu from blind side, count as Kakashi not able to react to Kakuzu’s movement speed/attack speed?

Again, in a combo, which is affected by a sequence of things, instead of just straight movement speed. The first punch serves as a “distraction”, which influence the movement speed vs reaction comparison. Madara has reacted to attacks faster than the pinned down panel, that you can’t deny. FTG...

Madara getting pinned down isn’t due to just Gai’s speed, it was due to the nature of his evening Elephant punches that created a combo. Madara gets hit by 2nd punch because he’s still holding the air pressure from the first, this is just a speed vs reaction feat, the affect of the first punch...

That’s not reaction. As I said, Madara was able to react to all of Gai’s initial attacks. When Gai does a combo, which means he forces Madara to do something first, then follows up with something else, that’s not just reaction to movement speed anymore. Madara got hit with the 2nd punch, because...