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Sorry 'ard Jack nearly wiped out the Minks, spending most of the time in base/mammoth (hybrid is the strongest form for most Zoans) - of course he'd "neg doff" a cat and dog

I'm not going to repeat myself

That's completely incomparable - false equivalences dont work

Doesn't matter He was winning the fight Characters like Jack would literally neg diff guys like Zoro (in base) based on Zoro's current feats - the fact Ashura Doji put up any fight, let alone was winning puts Ashura Doji way above Zoro for now

Zoro was not fatigued - where's this excuse come from?

But Denjiro got the upper hand on him and saying he is far above someone who was getting the better of Jack puts Zoro in top tier. He is not top tier.

Asura Doji seemingly > than Jack Zoro aint fighting a YC3 yet Denjiro literally toyed with Zoro

Is he above Asura Doji and Denjiro yet? Nah. He will be, but he needs to actually use Enma first

this wont age well

You really need to brush up on your samurai code. Doing anything against their masters will, whether dead or alive, is one of, if not the most inextricably and incorrigibly disrespectful act possible in samurai law. These guys are based on samurai, in a country based on Sengoku Japan, where...

Totally irrelevant - how does this change anything? Zoro's obviously more powerful than Kin'emon - what exactly are you trying to prove? Yep, and this still changes absolutely nothing about what I said. Oden died 20 years ago, we don't know how old he was, nor for how long he owned those swords.

Finally somebody with common sense Minor details, they dont change anything to do with Fujitora What do you mean? Asura Doji fought Jack

Fujitora didn't put any effort into it. Plus, it is literally his most basic technique from what we have seen. On that basis, saying it's his weakest technique is not a shot in the dark. To put it into perspective, I'd say Zoro used pretty much all the might he could muster when under that...

Shuten literally cut jack across the torso - he was unharmed. Here's some more context for you. Zoro was breathless, screamed out in pain etc. etc. nameless or not, Zoro was fighting for his fucking life. He was on breaking point. Official diagnosis: you all have Socio-Emotional Agnosia and...

One of them was beating Jack. The other was toying with Zoro who was fighting as hard as he could with two swords. Yeah, the weakest gravity shown by Fujitora, to which, Zoro had to put his all into the slash Context is necessary.

That is a fair point But we cannot look past the fact Zoro seems like a dunce in comparison to what we've seen from Kyoshiro and Asura Doji up until now. The statement is conditional as well. If Zoro can master it, he will become the second to do so. He hasn't mastered it yet. For now, nothing...

It's a reasonable speculation though. The sword passed hands from Oden to Hiyori, as per his will. The scabbards (other than one as of yet unknown to us, and potentially Denjiro) are all LOYAL to Oden. They honour him, and this goes for his will as well. 20 years of unbent, unbroken and unbowed...

No. I am pointing out that the claim is being misrepresented The claim is that all who have tried have failed. The claim therefore does not represent anybody who has not tried. The scabbards most likely haven't tried. It is very out of character for them to do so. You're literally making a...

I dunno dude Can you see Zoro or Kawamatsu replicating Ashura Dojis feats? I can't. Not yet anyway. Refer to my first post on page 4.

nah - hes not - mid writing i remembered some of Kawa's interactions with Zoro and put him on par with, if not slightly above the Minks. I've edited the post.