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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    Yes he didn't use his ultimate against those 3
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    It produces the most power, has the most AOE, highest DC, highest range, has the most fire. It is quite clear. There's nothing wrong with him showing it at FI when Jinbei also showed his "supposed ultimate" there too then went on to use it again against Big Mom.
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    As I said before, the Statement itself isn't my whole point. There is support from that statement being the fact that he hasn't used a stronger attack than HM. No concasse doesn't have better portrayal. Luffy was already exhausted from an 11 hour battle. Even then he went on to take several...
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    Yes he can hurt Luffy to the best of his abilities without actually using Hell Memories. This statement could be interpreted in the form that Sanji wasn't holding back the attacks he used on Luffy. I have not gauged Sanji's strength because of his statement. His statement is about an attack...
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    No his power doesn't drop. Dont know how many times this has to be stated. The sword is using Zoro's power. His power doesn't change and it doesn't get boosted. You are wrong. Zoro doesn't want to flow that much haki in the first place which is why he is preventing the sword from doing so...
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    P There's no double standards if you actually understand the point. Enma and RS are not the same. Except that is not Enma's attack power. It is Zoro's own attack power. The sword forcefully releases Zoro's haki when he doesn't want to. It is all Zoro's own power. This where the training comes...
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    No it's now clear there is a misunderstanding. "Ultimate technique" as I mentioned on the previous page refers to attack strength/attack power and not "pure technique" Obviously technique itself doesn't change but attacks will get stronger because of the suit. Hence any new top attack Sanji...
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    Because his siblings get the abilities boosted by their RS. Again even without using boosters, the RS adds durability. More durability = Sanji being able to hit harder...hence all his attacks get stronger. Again you are misunderstanding the point. I haven't argued that Zoro hasn't gotten...
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    Because the suit boosts every stat of Sanji. His DJ will also most likely be boosted by the suit. Not the same because Enma replaced a sword of the same grade. And when Zoro uses a 3 or 9 sword style , there are still two other swords doing the same thing as Enma
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    the technique would be automatically different (stronger etc) because of the suit. Hence Sanji without the suit won't be able to replicate such attacks. All attacks he will use with the suit will be tied to the suit
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    Right now he will be fighting with his RS if he gets into a serious 1 v 1. Therefore, all new attacks will he tied to to suit. Zoro's case is different because we know from preskip thay Asura was his ultimate technique
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    The context was a gag but that doesn't make his statement a gag. It is also supported by the fact that since then he hasn't used a superior attack to that. Highly doubtful. It might change because of the Raid suit but not without
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    Yes it is. All irrelevant because HM by Sanji's own words is his ultimate technique making every other technique below HM
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    That isn't the case, it is an assumption. Nowhere is it stated it is their strongest. IIRC Luffy used a G3 bazooka against Oars. Bazooka has been stronger than rifle since their base forms. The Asura Zoro used against the Pacifista canmot be factually said to be stronger than the one he used...
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    How did you measure that as Sanji's strongest attack preskip? He factually used a stronger attack against Oars and arguably against the pacifista. Post skip, his spectre seems stronger. His Poele a fire attacks seem stronger. But the nail in the coffin is still the fact that he'll memories is...
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    It isn't. DJ was his preskip power up. He came out of the timeskip using DJ more frequently similar to Luffy using G2/G3. Then he states himself that he used his ultimate technique in FI. That is quite a clear statement. Afterwards he has been in fighting situations and still hasn't shown...
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    Not everyone is going to get a Katakuri-type of fight which is why there are other ways to scale. I don't think I have been unfair to Sanji in that respect. Unlike the other SHP you mentioned, he has had several opportunities to show his battle ability. However, he has failed to show any hint...
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    I real 1 v 1 is not the only way to determine . Sanji showed his ultimate technique (his own words) in FI when he used Hell memories He showed the "limits" to his general strength when he faced Vergo..indicating that he would most likely have lost that match. This isn't surprised because Smoker...
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    Powers & Abilities Timeskip training abilities

    Luffy : has nothing Zoro : still has Asura to show and then his timeskip upgrade Sanji : nothing Franky : maybe an upgrade Ussop : maybe an upgrade Brook : yet to show his full power Nami : yet to show her ultimate Robin : much much much to show Chopper : maybe an even superior monster form
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