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Yea I edited my comment. I'm saying you need to change your premise "if you use a sword, you're a swordsman" To : If you have ever at any point in your life trained with a sword you're a swordsman. I don't have any problem with the latter. That's just an argument concerning semantics...

All of this is irrelevant filler talk which is besides the point. You admitted every cp9 member is a swordsman because they can use rankyaku so you have automatically gone against your own premise that you need to use a sword to be a swordsman. Kaku is a swordsman because he uses swords he...

Again "Kizaru HAS to be a swordsman because he is too strong" is not a very convincing argument. What Coby will or will not be has nothing to do with Kizaru. Not every top tier is as fast as Kizaru where he can pressure Rayleigh with his own fighting style. Not every top tier is as versatile as...

Lmao your beef is with Oda then, take it up with him on why he made Kizaru so strong and so versatile, that he can use someone elses primary fighting style against them. Reminds me of Vergo deciding to kick only against Sanji. Some people are just that versatile. Also you're looking at it...

I hope it happens that'd be a cool fight. More chances of that happening than Kizaru vs Sanji imo.

Excuses to avoid a guy who doesn't even carry a sword being a swordsman? What excuse do I need lmao, dude doesn't meet criteria #1 for what makes a swordsman a swordsman. Blame Oda dawg, he just made Kizaru too strong. This is literally yours and HA001's argument rn " he HAS to be a swordsman...

Fuji carries a sword. Kizaru doesn't. Name me a confirmed swordsman in One Piece who doesn't carry a sword and you have some grounds to argue. Until then. Good luck with this weak argument.

Lmao all I see is whining that Kizaru is too strong and should be nerfed. Blame the author for making him such a versatile beast.

Nope. Kizaru was the second person to attack a fresh Whitebeard. First one was Mihawk with his sword (go figure), second one was swordsman Kizaru using jewelsmanship. Again he attacked the "Worlds Strongest Man" fresh and weakened, no sword was seen in the entire war. Try again.

So? Kizaru is very versatile. He didn't use an imitation sword against WB (before WB was hurt AND after), someone stronger than Rayleigh. Who are you to limit what Kizaru can and can't do? He's not Luffy.

Ok and? Since when was being strong a requirement for being a swordsman? Are you saying Cabaji isn't a swordsman because he sucks?

Depends, maybe if Shanks was holding the flashlight and putting his haki into it. What's a flashlight got to do with this?

Light.

Kaku has swords. Kizaru doesn't, nothing similar about it. By your logic every cp9 member had swords and were swordsman because they could use rankyaku, oh wait no, only the dude who carries swords was considered a swordsman. Wonder why that is. Oh yea having a sword is a prerequisite for...

No need for the rest of the post. You answered it yourself here. Kizaru doesn't use a sword. Your conclusion literally contradicts your premise.

Oda would laugh at you if you told him Kizaru is a swordsman. Dude doesn't even carry a sword. At best you can make an argument semantically, narratively speaking it's irrelevant, he isn't confined to, or measured by, any swordsman standards. Funnily enough Fujitora has shown less actual sword...