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Oden was referring to his own strength being at peak. In his hands, swords couldn't become Kokutos, in Zoro's they can and will. :cheers:

You will have to wait for that fact. Until then, try to fight an unwinnable battle. Then, when you get proven wrong, point fingers and say it's Zoro-tard's fault. :cheers:

It is reality, whether you like it or not. What point is that?

I am not pushing anything. That's what manga literally states. You can accept it or not, up to you. Zoro will have Kokuto at 21 years old, something 39 years old Oden couldnt. There is no Zoro wank, there is only reality.

I know exactly what his limit refers to and you know it as well. However, do entertain me by pretending that you dont. :catsure:

The good old copium of unofficial translations and panels which got nothing to do with Oden saying he reached his peak. :milaugh:

You could remember it him saying that but I guess you dont?

Oden's letter to Toki, when she rips it apart. Whichever chapter that is.

Katakuri having better CoA than Luffy places him above Zoro? Nonsense. Having better CoA than Luffy was achieved by everyone except Clown Caesar. It doesnt even require haki to beat Luffy's haki, that's how bad it is. Exactly, that's how bad Luffy's haki is. That's all you need to know. Yet you...

No, because his opponents deal damage to him with their fists.

No, Doffy didnt use a cutting/piercing attack in that instance, it was just a kick. I am not talking about Haki improvement in that way. I am talking about Haki improving and degrading at will by shifting through gears. Haki is not capable of that. No, Katakuri's Hardening isnt better than...

No, they dont, even without Haki and Luffy has proven it against Sengoku when he used Gomu Gomu no Fuusen(Baloon). He bounced off Sengoku, he bounced off Doffy. Doffy's attack dont pierce him because he is bouncing them off. Haki doesnt have the capability of improving and degrading, that's a...

You constantly keep attributing it to Haki while it was DF which got better thanks to Haki. It is a new gear, not new Haki. Gears come from DF, not from Haki, this one is just possible thanks to Haki. How comes you mix up the two? It comes from logic that the guy who clashes against metal all...

Yes, there is harmony between haki and rubber which makes the gear itself possible. It is not better since there is nothing to be better at. DF itself becomes better since thanks to haki it's capable of better tensile force. Pica cant be using haki on a mountain, that's simply impossible, not...

Haki becomes stronger based on gears? Nothing in the manga supports that. Haki quality is always the same. You misunderstood me. I said stone shouldnt be able to move if we apply irl logic, it would break apart. In OP it can, so no reason why it wouldnt be able to move if you apply haki on it.

His tensile force of the DF gets the benefit from Haki hardening the rubber. It is DF attributes that change, not Haki itself. Haki never changes unless there is growth. No reason why hardened stone would lose the fluidity of movement when it should be impossible for stone to move in the first...

It all makes sense because it is what happened... Quality of Haki doesnt change, no matter what mode combatants enter. Only the amount used changes. Doffy didnt pierce him because he attacked a balloon which can do balloon things...

There is no difference between Luffy's G4 CoA application and FBH like Pica/Vergo do, except on Luffy not being complete body. The difference is in the bodies, Luffy's wants to expand while Pica's and Vergo's doesnt, because they didnt blow air into themselves... Luffy's haki is same in base...

Exactly, I have always said that.

The logic would let you realize that most damage Luffy takes comes from fists made of flesh and bones. While Zoro's swords are constantly facing against metal and need to stay without nicks. Luffy fanboys arguments never had logic, they start foaming as soon as someone says that Zoro is...