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Nobody's disrespecting Gear 5, its just that giving Lucci flowers for being an utter jobber before Hakiless Gear 5 is nonsense.

People who think Lucci is even stronger than Sanji, probably Jinbe too :pepebuggy:

Why? Who held Kizaru back in Sabaody? The parallel arc to Egghead? So tell me again, in an arc full of reverses from Sabaody, who should do the job?

Kizaru aint getting beaten. Blackbeard is also a factor here now.

Y'know there really is a parallel for Zoro to fight Kizaru and it ain't just hopes and dreams. It's something Oda specifically gave to Zoro out of nowhere last arc. And Luffy much like in Sabaody would be in CD trouble but owning it this time.

So you think the parallel is "Student/Master" with Rayleigh? Thats fair as well, but he doesn't need to protect his crew anymore - that's not the point of a Yonko. They're gonna take what they want & it is just like how Luffy never really beat Kuma or Sentomaru (the ones who he actually wanted...

Win - Win for every faction still alive except Big Mom and Marines maybe. :kayneshrug:

And if Kizaru is less likely to lose, then he can fight Zoro to a stalemate like y'know his parallel who did in the Parallel arc.

They didn't though. Yonko isnt a title to be "given", people in the World just call the 4 Strongest Pirate Crews as the 4 Emperor Crews. But yea i agree on Kizaru.

All im saying is that Luffy had C/D troubles both arc (back then Charlos and now Saturn), and Right Arms of Pirate Kings ended up fighting Kizaru to a stalemate. Luffy will prove his Yonko status by taking out a Gorosei and literally shitting on that entire Armada.

They got cucked vs RHP (Greenbull vs Shanks) first. Then, they got cucked by Cross Guild (when they put out Bounties on them). Now, they got cucked by BBP when Garp went missing. Next up, SHs are gonna make them look more bad - like their actual rivals in the story. Admirals are the only ones...

Possible. :kayneshrug: I'll take that as Zoro is Old Rayleigh level now, Right Arms of the two Pirate Kings both stopping Kizaru - one before and one after their respective primes.

Two arcs also involve Celestial Dragons (a Rando in Pre TS & a High ranking Gorousei in Post TS). I think Luffy will hit Saturn for his heartless behaviour but this time he'll be able to fight and will actually be defeated by Luffy. Kizaru comes for downstairs in the pecking order. Kizaru...

Seras are surviving till the EoS Arc. So they wont be majorly destroyed or anything. Maybe taken back. I'm amazed at the amount of Marine fan copium thinking that Marines are gonna look good against SHP now.

After this arc, Luffy can meet Shanks and return the SH. But BB will probably kill him before that can happen.

Everything was deliberate. Wano was Closed Country, information rarely comes outside. Luffy actually fought Kaidou 1v1 while Kidd & Law were barely alive trying to kill a GrandMother & still needed (Plot) Bombs to do it. Reward was equally spread. SH crew got even lesser reward than Beast...

Yep. Grand Fleet, definitely yes. Pre Timeskip, Luffy challenged the WG with hitting a CD & got destroyed by an Army of Kizaru, Kuma, Pacifista, Sentomaru, Vegapunk name dropped. Post Timeskip, Luffy actually spent time in the New World & can match an Emperor in combat, is even called as such...

Strawhats are gonna own this entire Fleet, it's obvious as fuck.

Basically all this running around that Oda did with Strawhats & Egghead characters is basically useless lol. The current conflict is the MAIN conflict in the arc, everything else is basically convoluted plot to reach there.

Seraphim are meant to be "God's Angels" in the future as the name suggests, with the God being Im. If you really think they are destroyed already without even becoming Older, then idk what to say.