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So Zoro’s goal isn’t to be WSS then… since being WSS doesn’t give him the fame he wants?

So what’s this got to do wit Zoro never mentioning that he cares about being famous in Wano

Usopp shows no familiarity to any of them

Usopp’s village doesn’t know the Gorosei or Holy knights exist either

And then after this? What? How come he doesn’t preface every time he mentions his stream with this? In the king fight, when Zoro is remembering his motivations and goals, why doesn’t he add this statement prior

Nah, the reason Garling ages is because “Eternal youth” and “immortality” are different powers in One piece So Imu gives both powers to the Gorosei but only gives the Holy knights immortality

No, Zoro’s dream is to be WSS You are implying Zoro cares about fame? Since when? We’ve read 1100 chapters. Has Zoro ever said “I want to be the most famous swordsman”?

Actually Sommers is implying that ALL 3 OF THEM COMBINED aren’t strong enough to fight Luffy

Nami is mocking how useless Jimbei was… No, we can no longer say Jimbei is commander level

Because Gaban isn’t immune to propaganda? he wasn’t there when Loki killed Harald… He doesn’t actually know why Loki did it… he just believes what everyone else told him

Huh?

if they can’t escape then they are defeated. That’s the end of that

He’s been doing things that aren’t part of his job like having a meal mid mission or him fucking around trying to get the kids burned to death yet he has to kidnap them alive. he does all these other things that go against his mission because he’s CAN. But then he realizes Him and 3 other...

Can The strawhats escape Gunko without outside help? No? Then they are defeated

Who cares. I’m talking about plot relevance. I’m not talking about whatever it is you think I should be talking about

The elders are stronger than Gunko… remember Sommers is afraid of fighting a Yonko… meaning he’s not a top tier… meaning Gunko isn’t a top tier… the elders are all top tiers Luffy and Zoro can get captured by immortal top tiers Luffy and Zoro CANNOT get captured by immortal weak henchmen

Luffy couldn’t get captured… Zoro couldn’t get captured At least they shouldn’t get captured and only get released because Sommers fears their goddamn captain… at the very fucking least THEY SHOULD ESCAPE CAPTURE ON THEIR OWN

The Elbaf kids weren’t injured either yet I say they have been defeated, havent they?

Is it Imu doing it or is it his subordinates doing it? the active things we know Imu has ACTIVELY DONE are destroy lulucia, kill Saturn and Promote Garling… Everything else you can just say was done his minions… Egghead was the Gorosei doing shit… Elbaf is the holy knights doing shit… I don’t...

All this is MORE THAN IMU HAS DONE. this argument started because you replied to me saying “tobi was doing shit in the plot the entire 7 years his identity was hidden” You are listing the shit Tobi was doing On top of the the things you are ignoring such as the Sasuke-Itachi backstory and him...