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    Future Events Why I am not Convinced that Luffy Defeats Kaido

    Oda's answer to Luffy defeating Kaido is Zoro: :yodaswag: Half of the forum has already seen the light.
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    Future Events Why I am not Convinced that Luffy Defeats Kaido

    I'd say Naruto. However, if ZKK happens, I don't expect Zoro to kill an unconscious or otherwise incapacitated Kaido. Most of the narrative setup around ZKK would remain unsatisfied if Zoro kills a Kaido that has already been defeated: The scenario I find most appealing is the one @Garp the...
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    Future Events Why I am not Convinced that Luffy Defeats Kaido

    Eh, I'll either rewrite it or make a new post specifically about Zoro surpassing Oden when I have time. I'm pretty burned out right now.
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    Future Events Why I am not Convinced that Luffy Defeats Kaido

    What if they are given equal regard (like Law and Luffy got for Doffy). Zoro's character arc in Wano culminated in an earth shattering declaration that he would cut Kaido down: I feel like you didn't answer my question. I wasn't asking whether you thought that would happen, but if you would...
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    Future Events Why I am not Convinced that Luffy Defeats Kaido

    That was pure speculation on my part. I'm curious what would make you change your mind? Based and ZKK pilled. :myman:
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    Future Events Why I am not Convinced that Luffy Defeats Kaido

    There are three other Yonkou. Luffy doesn't have to surpass each and every Yonkou in direct individual combat in order to surpass the Yonkou and become Pirate King. Would you consider the below "defeating" Kaido? @Luffy is the mc: I'm curious on your take as well. True. Well, fighting him at...
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    Future Events Why I am not Convinced that Luffy Defeats Kaido

    I don't really understand why you're comparing Zoro besting Kaido to Luffy's allies defeating their antagonist. Zoro isn't an ally of Luffy's, he's Luffy's crewmate. I mean, I don't think the situation is analogous at all; there's no real precedent for Zoro declaring that he shall cut down the...
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    Future Events Why I am not Convinced that Luffy Defeats Kaido

    @HA001 this is for you as well. I'm going to rip a section from one of my essays, but I think that Kaido specifically wants to die at the hands of the samurai bearing Oden's mantle based on his interaction with the Scabbards: When the Scabbards first struck Kaido, he sees the visage of Oden...
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    Future Events Why I am not Convinced that Luffy Defeats Kaido

    As I understand it, some of the advocates of Luffy defeating Kaido expect Luffy to best Kaido in a 1 vs 1 at some third round. In that case, Kaido would not be so weakened that Luffy defeating him would not fulfill an ambition to surpass him. See above. This wouldn't be that relevant if Luffy...
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    Future Events Why I am not Convinced that Luffy Defeats Kaido

    Either contribute or fuck outta my thread. Do you have a link to the full statement? I'm curious what the exact statement was. The solution Oda came up with might simply be letting Kaido get tag teamed. Even if Luffy punches harder and knocks Kaido down after he has been badly wounded by the...
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    Future Events Why I am not Convinced that Luffy Defeats Kaido

    This is a monologue on Luffy's potential, on the heights Luffy will eventually reach. It has little bearing on the current battle vs. Kaido and on whether Luffy will actually defeat Kaido. I don't find this persuasive at all. I've listed what I would find persuasive:
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    Future Events Why I am not Convinced that Luffy Defeats Kaido

    Wano (Kaido) and Baratie (Mihawk) are the only arcs in which Zoro actively sought out his opponent and didn't just face obstacles in Luffy's way. Well said. Thanks. Luffy can defeat Mama. Luffy can defeat the other Yonkou. He gets other chances to defeat the Yonkou, Zoro gets only this one...
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    Future Events Why I am not Convinced that Luffy Defeats Kaido

    Introduction I don't have the time to write another full length essay right now (and I would address this at depth in one of my forthcoming essays), so I'm going to be as brief as possible. Considers this a rough sketch of my beliefs, and my attempt at getting the pulse of the community. I've...
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