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King has been fighting Marco 1v1 offscreen for 20 minutes, and while it isn't a fresh Marco, King has probably been dealing non-stop with attacks as or more powerful than the ones that sent Kizaru and Aokiji flying. King isn't weak.

Gotta give it up for Goda he managed to: 1) have slow pacing and 2) skip tons of stuff Normally those things don't go together.

Crazy to think we're 40-50 chapters into the raid and Oda still hasn't finished setting up the matchups.

Marco canonically did way better against Big Mom and got way more respect.

If Kaido's own boro breath can burn him, what do you think Sakazuki is doing? Just saying

Raizou burnt Kaido with his own Boro Breath. There was no haki involved in that specific attack.

"If you plan to throw your lives away, follow me!" - Whitebeard on the plaza

What?? Bro you literally agreed with me in an earlier message that Whitebeard’s attack was a suicide mission. Commander being dispatched against admirals in that situation is so obviously different from Cracker being dispatched against Luffy. You’re just being disingenuous.

Whitebeard literally called the war a suicide mission. Big Mom sent Cracker to take an invader's head. The context is COMPLETELY different lmao

Completely different context.

If the Yonko is in an amnesiac state and Doffy leads them into a trap?? Of course. Off White or 16 holy bullets to the skull is probably doing wayyyy more than brachiobomber lmao

We saw Luffy go against hybrid Lucci in base for several minutes whereas previously he got one shot. I'm pretty sure Oda's literally said that they became stronger on the train ride.

"qUeeN is SUCH a cHad, dofFy waS scarED of aN EMPeror!" Queen in the actual story:

We literally saw characters get 5-10x stronger on a train ride to Enies Lobby chief. This is fiction.

Not only is this headcanon, the current feats we're seeing suggest that's false. If you say they were always that strong, then that's just begging the question. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question 1622744388 Queen was so scared after she got her memories back he was literally...

I think Doffy > Queen but this is a retarded argument.

Zoro literally said every island they all get much stronger. Wano Sanji > WCI Sanji > Dressrosa Sanji just by the progression of the story.

That is a much stronger Sanji to be fair.

Queen would demolish Doffy if it were just about physicals. But think of the abilities and the HAX. How tf is Queen going to deal with awakening, overheat, and parasite? He can't fly like Bondman and he's not even in the ballpark speed-wise. Queen's hybrid/awakened forms might prove this...

The biggest counterpoint to arguments for Doffy being above YCs is the way Yonko react to him. Big Mom knew Luffy defeated Doflamingo and decided to dispatch Cracker. Kaido called Doflamingo weak. etc