Like Luffy said, even with Penetrating haki, his attacks were too shallow.
Zoro on the other hand was already cutting up Kaido's scales.
He "failed"(his haki was broken , arms were in pain) to block Kaido's club swing and also Ragnarok. Whiles Zoro with Asura deflected Kaido's club attacks
Zoro with barrier haki managed to momentarily stop the island busting attack Hakai...proving by the fact that the attack does not go past Zoro.
Luff still hadn't got the hang of barrier back in Udon. He also hadn't used it defensively like Yamato has in Onigashima.
Zoro possessed this ability...
Exactly and Law said he took it. Both are not mutually exclusive. He blocked it and later took the rest.
That's like claiming that it isn't a fact that Akainu would've killed Luffy with the magma punch if Ace didn't intervene or if Jinbei didn't intervene
Yes it is pointless when the person you are arguing with disregards manga fact. Nowhere is it stated that Zoro took it for a second.
Getting knocked out for a chapter is not a very short time. You ignored the time frame and I corrected you ..now you claim it. Doesn't matter because you make the...
No preparation requires him to be aware.
WB example is not even comparable to a blow to the back of the head.
Again why do you ignore the time frame. What happened after he was knocked out? The plan begun and they started taking care of Big Mom. This chapter, we have Big Mom falling and Luffy...
Luffy wasn't knocked out when Big Mom was falling. He was knocked out far before that. And he woke up far after that (Zoro and Law fighting Kaido and Zoro using Asura)
He was kicked inconclusive so yes it is a Knockout
Zoro being out for a while is irrelevant when he was knocking out by a...
It matters because it shows that Luffy wasn't prepared to take the attack. No different than when Oden got knocked out from a no named Kaido club when his back was turned.
In the manga there are several illustrations.
I don't have to act like anything. It is fact that a lot of time passed...
Being knocked out for a chapter isn't "momentarily"
Luffy being back up is irrelevant.
Might as well claim that Zoro getting knocked out by Oars didnt mean he took enough damage to knock him out.
Apoo moment isn't current and was a surprise hit
Seriously Luffy wasn't knocked out of a few seconds.
When he was knocked out for the entire duration of the sups throwing Big Mom off and Zoro cutting Kaido with Asura.
Being unconcious from a hit is a KO. There's no ifs or buts here.
Just like how I excluded the other attacks Zoro took...
Where is the few seconds? He got knocked out for a chapter.
You should check your dictionary. Luffy was knocked out. Just because he got up later doesn't mean he wasn't knocked out. Even in real world, people who get knocked out are able to get up after some moments.
I never said it was the...
What are you even talking about when you don't know what KO means
If Luffy is already a dead man walking after taking a significantly weaker attack than Hakai, then that only goes to prove my point that his endurance/durability is inferior to Zoro's
Now those who were using the excuse that there isn't any comparison to be made here...what you have to say now?
Zoro took Hakai and didn't get knocked out whiles Luffy took a significantly weaker attack and got knocked out
Which it is proof because like I said one was still fighting with all his bones broken, meaning he took the most damage which you have already agreed with.
What is the oversimplification here? I've already provided that Zoro only blocked it momentarily and I've acknowledged that Luffy took the...
That's the thing though, I haven't ignored those factors. I've stated them in this very thread.
In addition, I've also stated, it being a block vs a clean hit us irrelevant in itself because what is used to measure Endurance is damage taken.
So; did Zoro take more damage in blocking Hakai than...
Yes I am comparing the two situations to demonstrate the point of who has the better endurance. I am not equating those two situations to mean they are the same which is what you implied I was doing.
@bolded; clearly demonstrating my point which you are arguing against hence the contradiction...
So which attack was stronger? And who has the higher Endurance?
Endurance being taking attack and keep on fighting.
So who took the most damage out of the two and kept on fighting? Zoro or Luffy
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