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The implications of that narrative could however have lasting consequences through the remaining of the story, with Zoro's achievement opening a new avenue for him as a swordsman compared to Oden, and the path that will eventually allow him to overall surpass Oden as well strictly from a power...

It's possible that the making of a black blade is not as much of a "power level" achievement as it is as a new milestone in furthering one's relationship with his sword. For example Shanks might not have a black blade because of that reason. In the same vein, Oden might have just brute forced...

Kaido getting his Oden trauma overrided by the superior Zoro sealed the deal. Oda did an amazing job highlighting that moment and making us aware that Zoro has indeed surpassed Oden. Can you believe that some of these guys are not as confident as us in Zoro no diffing King and they are...

The beauty of it is that depending on how Zoro does against King we can give arbitrary %, even if Oda's only statement is that Zoro will be healed until the effect wears off, and Zoro does not comment on feeling any weaker while the effect is in place. So even if it's stated that he's just...

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Better be 1 panel max or we'll have to reconsider some stuff :kawak:

Bruh. Imagine how he's gonna no diff less than 100% King now when Zoro is at 100% if he did all that at 1% hp :steef:

We will know from Kaido if he sees someone who has surpassed Oden in Wano.

At the end of the day the story beats of Luffy's journey supersede any other characters, and that's one of the select few declarations Luffy made that kickstarted said journey. As you said, Ben is strong so that should not really be an issue, so there's no reason for us to not get to see the...

The connection is Zoro as Luffy's First Mate, his most outstanding crew member, while Ben plays the same role for Shanks. We've seen the fact that Oda did not forget the significance of Shanks having a formidable crew that the SH's need to surpass giving them hype during the Yonko bounty...

It definitely looks less of a wet dream than it used to a while ago, i'll say that at least :milaugh: Depends how strong Oden really was, that's still a bit confusing to me. I maintain my belief that Luffy and Zoro will come out of Wano slightly weaker than Shanks in Luffy's case, and Ben in...

Hey, i put Zoro's face over Luffy's at least, the way Zoro put Luffy and the others on his back this chapter and saved all of their lives :finally:

Clearly not as tough, that's why the strategy for the others is to bypass the outer defense layer, and when they do that they manage to do some damage to the inside. Also it's not just about skipping the exterior, but aggravating the wound. The open scar would be an open wound, through which...

Not just to attack Kaido but defeat him. The open scar will be a weak spot, where Luffy's attacks will be that much more effective.

So if Zoro kills Kaido, it's the killing blow that defeats him. So Zoro and not Luffy defeats Kaido, after Zoro and Luffy tag team Kaido. This is you belief ? So how about Oda saying that he will have to find a way for Luffy to defeat Kaido that goes beyond Luffy just punching really hard ...

Well apparently this Kaido if you account for strength boost and Hybrid can probably mid diff two Kaido's of same thrength to the one Oden went against. So that Kaido looks way less impressive, and in turn Oden looks way less impressive. And if we push for that and a way less impressive Oden...

You said that Kaido got significantly stronger, and that Oden only fought him in base. Let's say significantly stronger means Kaido is now 30% stronger. Let's say that Hybrid Kaido is twice as strong as base Kaido. Let's say the Kaido that fought Oden was a 9. That means that base Kaido now...

You're downgrading Oden's hype significantly with this though. If your argument is that Oden was dealing with a significantly weaker Kaido, and on top of that never faced the Hybrid form of a significantly weaker Kaido, but the much weaker in comparison Dragon/Human forms, then you're taking so...

It seems that we are reaching the point where it's argued that Zoro for Luffy is no longer what Rayleigh was for Roger. So much so that surpassing Ray is a side achievement unlocked multiple arcs prior to even reaching Raftel. Outstanding first mate of the Pirate King that he would call him...

It's not about becoming the WSS, we are talking about them surpassing their equivalents in Roger's crew. You take away from Luffy's crew becoming the PK crew, if that's not the moment where they match/surpass their equivalents. I don't know, this seems silly at face value without even debating...