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Couldn´t react to it https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1027-016.png Lack of maneuverability https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1027-017.png Speed of the attack https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/One-Piece/1032-011.png Can´t land a significant hit, admits that landing a...

Yeah still not seeing it. Narrative does not trump attributes. We literally see Zoro´s weakness play out vs King. Sure one part is not being able to significantly hurt him for now (for whatever reason), partly due to Enma acting up, but the main problem has been Zoro´s inability to land...

Make the case for me, since the panels themselves are not telling me that. Zoro will have surpassed Oden in a specific area, but it does not tell me anything about overall.

Does blackening Enma automatically mean surpassing Oden? :bamathink:

Zoro would be closer to his end goal than Luffy is to his though, if that´s no problem with you, ok. Why is surpassing Aokiji not make him PK level? What is this based on? How do you know Ray was not WSS? Because his blade is not black? Or because Roger was using a sword?

Ok, now i understand, but that´s your opinion, no? I think people care a lot how the Strawhats develop and how they compare to the world and also within the Strawhats to each other. And for them Zoro surpassing Oden now is the essential thing, not Zoro eventually surpassing Oden, something...

How is it irrelevant for this arc when we are talking about the strength in this arc? You are bringing up age and what Zoro will be and whatnot, all irrelevant. Me no comprendo. Visual showcasing, as a visual medium should do, and the parameters have been set, or at least logical to assume...

We all know Zoro is gonna end up that strong and stronger though, so the age thing seems irrelevant with that context.

Then he already surpassed Oden, and even stronger guys by that logic, since they were not as strong as Zoro is now with 21. That´s not how it works.

He will do so eventually, so it does not matter he does it now That´s not an argument. Zoro will eventually make every swordsman look bad in comparison.

I still see Oden as low top tier, so i did not think Zoro will surpass him now and still do not do so. At the same time, people have to agree on the parameters that would indicate Zoro doing so. Turning blade black? While we do not know the intricacies of how that exactly works, it does not...