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Nah. Look at Kong Organ. That's not blood. That's just debris. We have a panel of Kaido's mouth underneath. No blood.

??? Those "bits" are always there.

Base can use club. That's it. Zooan is better in everything but speed/agility.

Raisneak Attack Hakke

Is it though? It looks like "normal" Boundman, but we have no way of confirming...

So did Luffy use advanced CoA for KG? It seemed less effective than Red Roc... Fuck Oda.... Dropped the ball on this shit.

Bro. Kaido tried to SNEAK ATTACK Luffy with Thunder Bagua. This man has no INTEGRITY!

Yo bring this shit out. Already wasted enough time. People dont got all day.

Still not as bad as CoO though :milaugh:

Dude. Kid literally just referred to that shit WORD FOR WORD. Read what he said. ""What the hell is that Haki? How can a punching attack work against Kaidou!?""

Yeah that's called Haki control. Something he also made clear with CoC and Rayleigh, when Rayleigh specifically choose who to knock out and not. He said that comes with mastery. Welcome back to these days :josad:

No... He was specifically talking about Luffy. He said "Luffy and I" have to figure out a solution, and that a "strong punch" was not enough for Kaido.

Again, what part of he invented this "post-2016" don't you get? He made that clear as day. I'm not saying penetration Haki didn't exist. I'm saying there was no distinction between the two. It was just "blasting", and he retconned it by having different stages of it. Dude is literally just...

I know. I just wish at the very least he gave us visual cues. Now we have no idea when Luffy is using it or not. So much for Roger/WB's "they're not even touching" crap.

When Oda said I don't want Luffy to win JUST BECAUSE HIS PUNCH IS SO STRONG (literally what Kid just stated), and Luffy and I have to figure out a solution. That's 100% "penetration" Haki. And that was in 2016. Did he have some concept of flowing/advanced Haki in Sabaody? Yes. We saw...

Reread what I wrote. I said I think there was no distinction between flowing and penetration. When Oda stated "Luffy and I have to figure out a solution" in 2016 -> Penetration Haki So you can't say that concept existed, when he didn't have an answer in 2016.

I'll take that L. But like I stated, Thunder Bagua wouldn't have done shit to Luffy if his FS was working. I was 100% right about that. And Kaido was also hurt by his own Boro Breath returned by Raizo and had a "splitting headache" from falling. You don't need Ryou to hurt him (just beat him).

Like I said, I don't think there was a distinction between "flowing" and "penetration". It was just one Haki, and then later Oda split into 2, because he said he didn't want Luffy winning "just because his punch is so strong". This training was clearly in response to his 2016 comments, way...

The issue stands mostly because we have no idea when people were/are using it and what type it is. MF was prime example. Also, I think "penetration" Haki was a last minute asspull from Oda given his Luffy/Kaido comments in 2016. I think he always had the idea of FLOWING Haki, but this...

Yeah, I've also made countless posts about how Haki is a steaming pile of crap, way before this chapter. Like someone said, it's Walmart Nen. Oda has no idea wtf he's doing anymore.