General & Others Anyone who uses a sword is a swordsman. Yes, including Big Mom and Kizaru.
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Ok, i've seen people talking about this before, but...
Kizaru making his sword solid? LIGHT?
Isn't it just Rayleigh using Haki in his sword to block Kizaru's?
I think that someone with no Haki would be unable to block Kizaru's sword.
Kizaru making his sword solid? LIGHT?
Isn't it just Rayleigh using Haki in his sword to block Kizaru's?
I think that someone with no Haki would be unable to block Kizaru's sword.
You literally described Kizaru.
Light manifested sword is part of Kizaru's versatile logia which increases his destructive capacity, increases his speed/mobility, makes his kicks more powerful, blinds opponents with flashing light and spams large AoE laser beams. what part of this makes it seem he's a swordmaster?
Light manifested sword is part of Kizaru's versatile logia which increases his destructive capacity, increases his speed/mobility, makes his kicks more powerful, blinds opponents with flashing light and spams large AoE laser beams. what part of this makes it seem he's a swordmaster?
The Kizaru situation is not all that wrong. It is true that there is a difference between those proficient in swordsmanship and a swordsman. This seems quite supported since every marine coming up will be taught several fighting styles so it is up to each of them to choose which one to master.
His fruit affords him that luxury though. He uses it at his most casual.
Him fighting with a sword when he was most serious and at his strongest that we've seen implies him being a swordsman.
In the match with Ray, he results to swordsmanship to fight him. But look at what Sentomaru sates " The Dark King seems to be real deal, I have never seen anyone stop uncle Kizaru like that" ..something along these lines implies that was Kizaru when completely serious and fighting at top strength.
His fruit affords him that luxury though. He uses it at his most casual.
Him fighting with a sword when he was most serious and at his strongest that we've seen implies him being a swordsman.
In the match with Ray, he results to swordsmanship to fight him. But look at what Sentomaru sates " The Dark King seems to be real deal, I have never seen anyone stop uncle Kizaru like that" ..something along these lines implies that was Kizaru when completely serious and fighting at top strength.
Plain and simple answer would be yes, that would make Shanks the WSS. Simply means Mihawk isn't even strong enough to force Shanks into using his sword, and if Shanks with his sword is at his strongest, then by the definition of the title he is the strongest swordsman in the world.
It's not like people are gonna be there to referee the duel to see whether Shanks was using a sword to beat Mihawk. All they're gonna care for is Shanks = uses sword at his strongest, whooped Mihawk's ass who uses sword at his strongest.
It's not like people are gonna be there to referee the duel to see whether Shanks was using a sword to beat Mihawk. All they're gonna care for is Shanks = uses sword at his strongest, whooped Mihawk's ass who uses sword at his strongest.
Against Whitebeard:
-> He came, easily avoided Whitebeard's attack, pointed a single finger at Whitebeard and smiling shot him
Whitebeard couldn't do shit to Kizaru, why would he use the lightsword here?
Against Marco:
-> Marco and him were meters apart, he shoots lasers at him and Whitebeard, Marco rushes Kizaru who then tries to block the kick with his forearm, all while not even being fully serious as noted by Marco.
Where did Kizaru get the chance to pull out the sword here? Right non-existent. Or are you saying he should've tried pulling out the sword rather than use his forearms to block that kick?
Against Rayleigh:
-> He first got his attack deflected by Rayleigh's kick
-> He then tried getting past Rayleigh by using a light beam, Rayleigh cut it off and left him a mark.
-> Rayleigh doesn't let Kizaru go anywhere, and forces Kizaru to fight him in CQC
-> Sentomaru then comments on the fact his uncle is held by the Dark King, homie is the real deal. Sentomaru knows how Kizaru fights.
-> We then find out that Kizaru was angry about the fact he couldn't get past the Dark King.. This indicates Kizaru was actually trying to get past him to get the strawhats, since it was a celestial dragon related issue.
Rayleigh FORCED Kizaru to use the sword. Whitebeard didn't force him to do anything. Marco forced him to simply raise his forearm.
-> He came, easily avoided Whitebeard's attack, pointed a single finger at Whitebeard and smiling shot him
Whitebeard couldn't do shit to Kizaru, why would he use the lightsword here?
Against Marco:
-> Marco and him were meters apart, he shoots lasers at him and Whitebeard, Marco rushes Kizaru who then tries to block the kick with his forearm, all while not even being fully serious as noted by Marco.
Where did Kizaru get the chance to pull out the sword here? Right non-existent. Or are you saying he should've tried pulling out the sword rather than use his forearms to block that kick?
Against Rayleigh:
-> He first got his attack deflected by Rayleigh's kick
-> He then tried getting past Rayleigh by using a light beam, Rayleigh cut it off and left him a mark.
-> Rayleigh doesn't let Kizaru go anywhere, and forces Kizaru to fight him in CQC
-> Sentomaru then comments on the fact his uncle is held by the Dark King, homie is the real deal. Sentomaru knows how Kizaru fights.
-> We then find out that Kizaru was angry about the fact he couldn't get past the Dark King.. This indicates Kizaru was actually trying to get past him to get the strawhats, since it was a celestial dragon related issue.
Rayleigh FORCED Kizaru to use the sword. Whitebeard didn't force him to do anything. Marco forced him to simply raise his forearm.
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Attack was aimed at taking out Whitebeard. If he is stronger in attack power with a sword he would have attacked with a sword, for example flying slash.
He chose differently, pretty simple logic.
A sword provides an additional layer of defense, yes Kizaru took out the sword against Rayleigh after the latter pulled out his and cut him, meaning it was a defensive move, especially since Kizaru knew his subordinates were more than enough to take care of the Strawhats.
He chose differently, pretty simple logic.
A sword provides an additional layer of defense, yes Kizaru took out the sword against Rayleigh after the latter pulled out his and cut him, meaning it was a defensive move, especially since Kizaru knew his subordinates were more than enough to take care of the Strawhats.
Attack was aimed at taking out a wounded Whitebeard who couldn't even tag Kizaru. He used a mere finger, one of his weakest lasers, to shoot at him, that's about it. I mean if you want to make the argument it's stronger than his named attacks, then go right ahead bro.
A sword provides an additional mechanism to defend & do offense. If Kizaru was merely defending, he would simply block or parry Rayleigh's attack, yet that's not what he was doing. Kizaru himself was engaged in the offense, with Rayleigh being the one in a defensive stance:
Furthermore, the urgency to get past Rayleigh became even more apparent when he realized Kuma was letting them escape:
We then see Kizaru again thrusting the sword, with Rayleigh parrying/blocking it. So Kizaru again, being the one on the offense.. as it's him who has to get past Rayleigh.
The man himself states it was an actual problem that the strawhats got away. Then we find out he was upset about it to a point he captured 500 pirates to vent out his rage.
So I don't buy the Kizaru simply defending himself, if it was an argument for Rayleigh even that might be hard to buy despite Rayleigh being shown in defensive stances twice. To me it's clear as day that Kizaru was trying to get past Rayleigh, as it was a serious problem that he needed to deal with himself, especially once Kuma came in and started letting them escape.
Expecting him to use the sword, when he's not forced to is just not gonna happen. It's really no different than Zoro only ever using the 3-sword style when his 1 or 2 sword style won't work on somebody.
A sword provides an additional mechanism to defend & do offense. If Kizaru was merely defending, he would simply block or parry Rayleigh's attack, yet that's not what he was doing. Kizaru himself was engaged in the offense, with Rayleigh being the one in a defensive stance:
Furthermore, the urgency to get past Rayleigh became even more apparent when he realized Kuma was letting them escape:
We then see Kizaru again thrusting the sword, with Rayleigh parrying/blocking it. So Kizaru again, being the one on the offense.. as it's him who has to get past Rayleigh.
The man himself states it was an actual problem that the strawhats got away. Then we find out he was upset about it to a point he captured 500 pirates to vent out his rage.
So I don't buy the Kizaru simply defending himself, if it was an argument for Rayleigh even that might be hard to buy despite Rayleigh being shown in defensive stances twice. To me it's clear as day that Kizaru was trying to get past Rayleigh, as it was a serious problem that he needed to deal with himself, especially once Kuma came in and started letting them escape.
Expecting him to use the sword, when he's not forced to is just not gonna happen. It's really no different than Zoro only ever using the 3-sword style when his 1 or 2 sword style won't work on somebody.
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Is whitebeard a swordsman? Since his weapon was even in the same category of mihawks... but he was stated stronger than mihawk. Wouldn't that be a contradiction? Yes it would.
But not everyone who uses a sword is a swordsman. Just like roger was not a swordsman and a gunman, since used both. Or garp is not a canonball-man. Etc. Stop that.
But not everyone who uses a sword is a swordsman. Just like roger was not a swordsman and a gunman, since used both. Or garp is not a canonball-man. Etc. Stop that.
In a sbs oda said that whitebeards nagitana, the murakomugiri is one of the 12 saijo o wazamono. Just like mihawk's sword yoru.
Oda says that he uses a sword, so it is a sword. That's it.
BUT WB CAN'T BE CONSIDERED A SWORDSMAN.
Just like roger or kizaru or big mom.
Honestly this shit doesn't make even fun anymore
Oda says that he uses a sword, so it is a sword. That's it.
BUT WB CAN'T BE CONSIDERED A SWORDSMAN.
Just like roger or kizaru or big mom.
Honestly this shit doesn't make even fun anymore