General & Others Anyone who uses a sword is a swordsman. Yes, including Big Mom and Kizaru.
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I Disagree if we're talking about that being who qualifies for the swordsman who would be below the WSS.
Anyone who simply uses a sword would not qualify as a swordsman that is below the WSS. But they would be swordsman nonetheless as they have mastery of swordsmanship to an extent. Like the marines who get taught swordsmanship (Sakazuki being a skilled swordsman himself).
What would qualify as a swordsman that is below the WSS, is the swordsman who is at their strongest with a sword in their hand. For example, Sakazuki can display some feats with the sword as he once wielded it.. but him at his strongest is when he's fighter type using his logia powers and fists. Contrast to that, Zoro is skilled in non-sword combat to an extent as well, but he at his strongest as a fighter is when he has 3 swords on him.
So that is a distinction that I do want to keep in mind. But the individuals who are always in question: Big Mamu/Fujitora/Law/Kizaru so far at their strongest have relied on the sword, thus they would at the moment based on the information we have should fall under Mihawk's WSS.
Anyone who simply uses a sword would not qualify as a swordsman that is below the WSS. But they would be swordsman nonetheless as they have mastery of swordsmanship to an extent. Like the marines who get taught swordsmanship (Sakazuki being a skilled swordsman himself).
What would qualify as a swordsman that is below the WSS, is the swordsman who is at their strongest with a sword in their hand. For example, Sakazuki can display some feats with the sword as he once wielded it.. but him at his strongest is when he's fighter type using his logia powers and fists. Contrast to that, Zoro is skilled in non-sword combat to an extent as well, but he at his strongest as a fighter is when he has 3 swords on him.
So that is a distinction that I do want to keep in mind. But the individuals who are always in question: Big Mamu/Fujitora/Law/Kizaru so far at their strongest have relied on the sword, thus they would at the moment based on the information we have should fall under Mihawk's WSS.
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a weak kid picks up a swords. it has knowledge of swordsmanship. with a sharp blade in hand it is stronger than with its bare hands.
your definition means that this kid would be a swordsman.
see the problem?
the kid simply picked up a useful tool. its what was there at the time. its not the kids weapon of choice.
therefore it is not a swordsman.
an example for this is Usopp with his hammers. in EB he managed to knock out a fishmen. that was his beast feat until then.
no one in their right mind called Usopp a hammerman after that. for obvious reasons.
same as he was not a dialmen after defeating perona.
WB, BM, Kizaru. character like that pick the right tool for the job. whatever that may be. whereas swordsmen always go for their sword.
your definition means that this kid would be a swordsman.
see the problem?
the kid simply picked up a useful tool. its what was there at the time. its not the kids weapon of choice.
therefore it is not a swordsman.
an example for this is Usopp with his hammers. in EB he managed to knock out a fishmen. that was his beast feat until then.
no one in their right mind called Usopp a hammerman after that. for obvious reasons.
same as he was not a dialmen after defeating perona.
WB, BM, Kizaru. character like that pick the right tool for the job. whatever that may be. whereas swordsmen always go for their sword.
Except we're not discussing mere people who pick up shit, we're discussing skilled fighters who have mastered their respective fighting styles, to an extent if they switch to a different one they get nerfed.
Normal man -> picks up sword -> gets stronger
Luffy -> picks up sword -> gets weaker
Difference? Luffy is a trained person who has perfected a martial art already. The normal man hasn't trained as a fighter, thus any sort of weapon will serve as a boost.. even if he just learned how to throw a simple punch.
So the weak kid analogy doesn't hold up to the individuals that're being discussed here, which are all trained fighters.
Normal man -> picks up sword -> gets stronger
Luffy -> picks up sword -> gets weaker
Difference? Luffy is a trained person who has perfected a martial art already. The normal man hasn't trained as a fighter, thus any sort of weapon will serve as a boost.. even if he just learned how to throw a simple punch.
So the weak kid analogy doesn't hold up to the individuals that're being discussed here, which are all trained fighters.
Possessing the ability to use a sword doesn't make you a swordsman. Just like being able to perform basic DYI and putting an IKEA wardrobe together doesn't make make you a carpenter or learning programming in primary or secondary school doesn't necessarily make you a programmer. Same applies in the OP world. In the world of one piece, there are several organisations that teach swordsmanship as fundamental military training, in addition to other skills such as kenpo/martial arts or marksmanship, some of which include Germa 66, and the Marines. Even Law as well learnt all the aforementioned skills during his core training as a kid. So are we gonna refer to all these people as swordsmen/marksmen/martial artists...lolz Imo that's a very cheap way of defining it. So I think it's more accurate to refer to those who dedicate themselves to the art of the sword as swordsmen. Likewise, those that dedicate themselves to the art of cooking are cooks (Nami being able too cook doesn't make her a cook ^^").
Now how does this affect Mihawks title, well it doesn't really. Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman. In other words, the apex with regards to those who refer to themselves as swordsmen and the most skilled person in the verse with a sword. Saying Mihawk is stronger than BM or Kizaru because they use a sword is retarded imo. It's like saying EoS Usopp will be stronger than Law because Law is capable of fundamental marksmanship.
Now how does this affect Mihawks title, well it doesn't really. Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman. In other words, the apex with regards to those who refer to themselves as swordsmen and the most skilled person in the verse with a sword. Saying Mihawk is stronger than BM or Kizaru because they use a sword is retarded imo. It's like saying EoS Usopp will be stronger than Law because Law is capable of fundamental marksmanship.
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nothing of this was mentioned in the "definition" I quoted. it did not even define what "strongest" means.
very easy to pick a broad statement like this appart. not my fault this triggers you.
adding wax to Luffys limbs was increasing his fighting abilities. Luffy is now a waxhuman? lol
also, picking up a sword did not make Luffy weaker in Wano. he held on to it while performing his regular pistol attack.
nothing of this was mentioned in the "definition" I quoted. it did not even define what "strongest" means.
very easy to pick a broad statement like this appart. not my fault this triggers you.
adding wax to Luffys limbs was increasing his fighting abilities. Luffy is now a waxhuman? lol
also, picking up a sword did not make Luffy weaker in Wano. he held on to it while performing his regular pistol attack.
Well it's pretty common and most importantly legit to make a distinction between swordsman and sword user.
Some characters could use a sword once in their life but that's hard to believe that they are swordsmen.
Swordsman = character prominently using a sword, independently from DFs, haki or other techniques.
Some characters could use a sword once in their life but that's hard to believe that they are swordsmen.
Swordsman = character prominently using a sword, independently from DFs, haki or other techniques.
The quote you quoted by @TheAncientCenturion just like everybody else's is talking about prominent one piece fighters. Not random civilians or weak kids who have never trained into a fighting style a day in their life. Which is why I addressed your example of using a "weak kid" in a discussion about trained fighters.
As far as "Triggering" me, just cause I made a reply to address your example, doesn't equate to me getting triggered.. unless you got triggered by what TAC said..
Is waxhuman a fighting style? Lol
Luffy is a rubberman -> His fighting style is a fighter type (which is pretty much all non-weapon martial arts of one piece)
It actually did make him weaker had he decided to use it (something he did against arlong), here he decided not use the sword but instead use his regular pistol attack.. then when he would get into G2/G3/G4 and get into his punches.. the sword is gonna go bye bye, since it'd be getting in his way.
As far as "Triggering" me, just cause I made a reply to address your example, doesn't equate to me getting triggered.. unless you got triggered by what TAC said..
Is waxhuman a fighting style? Lol
Luffy is a rubberman -> His fighting style is a fighter type (which is pretty much all non-weapon martial arts of one piece)
It actually did make him weaker had he decided to use it (something he did against arlong), here he decided not use the sword but instead use his regular pistol attack.. then when he would get into G2/G3/G4 and get into his punches.. the sword is gonna go bye bye, since it'd be getting in his way.
This makes no sense considering the fact that:
Brooke is a swordsman who has integrated his df powers and music with his swordsmanship. Originally Brooke only integrated his music with his swordsmanship. After getting his df he integrated it into his swordsmanship alongside his music.
You have Ohm who is a swordsman that has integrated sails into his swordsmanship.
Kaku a swordsman who has integrated rokushiki and df into swordsmanship. Originally he only Intergrated his rokushiki into his swordsmanship. After getting his df he integrated it into his swordsmanship alongside his rokushiki
Cabaji is a swordsman who has intergrated acrobatics, unicycling and other tricks into his swordsmanship
Above are just some of the people who integrated other abilities into their swordsmanship and are still swordsmen. So your statement that a swordsman is a person that uses swords independent of other abilities is negated by the evidence provided in the manga.
I can understand saying character who know how to use swords but stopped using swords and started using other fighting styles are no longer swordsmen, however, as soon as they pick up a sword again they are swordsmen. A swordsman by definition is someone that uses a sword to fight. Case in point Sanji is currently not a swordsman. He was trained on the way of the sword whilst a child but stopped fighting with them. However, if he does decide to start fighting with a sword, he will be a swordsman.
Brooke is a swordsman who has integrated his df powers and music with his swordsmanship. Originally Brooke only integrated his music with his swordsmanship. After getting his df he integrated it into his swordsmanship alongside his music.
You have Ohm who is a swordsman that has integrated sails into his swordsmanship.
Kaku a swordsman who has integrated rokushiki and df into swordsmanship. Originally he only Intergrated his rokushiki into his swordsmanship. After getting his df he integrated it into his swordsmanship alongside his rokushiki
Cabaji is a swordsman who has intergrated acrobatics, unicycling and other tricks into his swordsmanship
Above are just some of the people who integrated other abilities into their swordsmanship and are still swordsmen. So your statement that a swordsman is a person that uses swords independent of other abilities is negated by the evidence provided in the manga.
I can understand saying character who know how to use swords but stopped using swords and started using other fighting styles are no longer swordsmen, however, as soon as they pick up a sword again they are swordsmen. A swordsman by definition is someone that uses a sword to fight. Case in point Sanji is currently not a swordsman. He was trained on the way of the sword whilst a child but stopped fighting with them. However, if he does decide to start fighting with a sword, he will be a swordsman.
I think you're partially getting into professions here with the "cook".
But Law is a skilled Marksman/swordsman/fighter, but he at his strongest is as a swordsman. When we'll talk about him, we'll talk about him as a swordsman, because that's how he mainly fights and that's how he's at his strongest. But that doesn't mean he's not other things other than a swordsman.
But Law is a skilled Marksman/swordsman/fighter, but he at his strongest is as a swordsman. When we'll talk about him, we'll talk about him as a swordsman, because that's how he mainly fights and that's how he's at his strongest. But that doesn't mean he's not other things other than a swordsman.
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