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In this round in this thread we will have 8 villains , which means 4 fights.
Vote in the poll, share your thoughts and state who you voted for.
YOU MAY VOTE FOR YOURSELF IF YOU ARE IN THIS ROUND.
Vote for each round, the winners of each fight will advance.
FIRST FIGHT
Darth Vader
VS
Orochi from One Piece
In this round in this thread we will have 8 villains , which means 4 fights.
Vote in the poll, share your thoughts and state who you voted for.
YOU MAY VOTE FOR YOURSELF IF YOU ARE IN THIS ROUND.
Vote for each round, the winners of each fight will advance.
FIRST FIGHT
Darth Vader
"Everyone knows who Vader is, this description is totally unnecessary!
The helmet. The breathing. The black. His presence is amazeballs.
I love him because he's not just powerful, but also his fall to the dark side was paved with good intentions. And at the end, he managed to feel remorse.
The helmet. The breathing. The black. His presence is amazeballs.
I love him because he's not just powerful, but also his fall to the dark side was paved with good intentions. And at the end, he managed to feel remorse.
VS
Orochi from One Piece
Summary of the Guy I heavily like hate;
Kuruzomi Orochi aka Shogun of Wano an isolated country. Saying he rules his nation with an iron fist is an heavy understatement. He is literally a Wano's version of Celestial Dragon where instead of Marine HQ and Admirals, he is protected by Beast Pirates and Kaido himself (or so he thought).
Here's some background to this mf:
Born to the traitorous clan of Kurozumi which had previously attempted to take the position of Wano's Shogun by killing the members of top clan's head and Shogun himself. However, they failed at their evil plan and all of the Kurozumi's were either killed or banished. Orochi however survived and swore to take vengeance against the whole country of Wano and started his plan by infiltrating the Shimotsuki Yasuie's home. He silently grew his power and later on got a big time Pirate like Kaido of the hudred beast to back him up. From there it was all downfall for Wano and it's citizens. He killed the current Shogun and crowned himself as a new by using trickery. He clearly has divided Wano into heaven and hell where rich people live a luxury life whereas poor ones even struggle to get a drop of clean water.
Here's why I like hate him to the fullest:
My hate for him begins at the very character design itself. lol
However, the things that make him stand out as a villain are as follows;
Kuruzomi Orochi aka Shogun of Wano an isolated country. Saying he rules his nation with an iron fist is an heavy understatement. He is literally a Wano's version of Celestial Dragon where instead of Marine HQ and Admirals, he is protected by Beast Pirates and Kaido himself (or so he thought).
Here's some background to this mf:
Born to the traitorous clan of Kurozumi which had previously attempted to take the position of Wano's Shogun by killing the members of top clan's head and Shogun himself. However, they failed at their evil plan and all of the Kurozumi's were either killed or banished. Orochi however survived and swore to take vengeance against the whole country of Wano and started his plan by infiltrating the Shimotsuki Yasuie's home. He silently grew his power and later on got a big time Pirate like Kaido of the hudred beast to back him up. From there it was all downfall for Wano and it's citizens. He killed the current Shogun and crowned himself as a new by using trickery. He clearly has divided Wano into heaven and hell where rich people live a luxury life whereas poor ones even struggle to get a drop of clean water.
Here's why I like hate him to the fullest:
My hate for him begins at the very character design itself. lol
However, the things that make him stand out as a villain are as follows;
Having his minds twisted in his early days, he lacks sympathy and is very cruel to everyone in Wano. He even orders his men to kill everyone who defies him without any hesitation.
- The most evil thing that makes him the king of Villains though is how he used those failed SMILE DF. That has to be the most twisted and the evil practical joke anyone's ever played.
- He was also smart enough to plant a spy among the Oden's retainers which was years before he showed his true colors. That is the one of the most smartest move any villains has ever taken.
Top moment where he truly shine as a villian, imo:
- Ordering to execute Yasuie, the man to took him in thinking him as an orphan. He even danced after he died.
- Sending an assassin to kill a fu**ing child.
- Having starving people feed on SMILE.
SECOND FIGHT
Dutch Van der Linde from Red Dead Redemption
Best Villain Tournament - Dutch Van der Linde - Red Dead Redemption Series
"Ain't no such thing as civilized. It's man so in love with greed, he has forgotten himself and found only appetites."
Dutch Van der Linde is a man out of time. The leader of an outlaw gang, perched on the precipice of the end of the outlaw age, Dutch fought a desperate battle against the encroaching forces of civilisation and the rule of law. Charismatic, intelligent, philosophical and ambitious, Dutch represents a man who knows his era is over, yet struggles on to the end. This scene where Pinkerton detectives invade Dutch's camp and try to arrest him brilliantly illustrates his ideology, and the loyalty Dutch inspires in his men.
"Who made you the Messiah to these lost souls you've led so horribly astray?"
Dutch Van der Linde is a great villain because we, the audience, can root for him. Newly industrialised cities are taking over what once was the Wild West, despoiling virgin forests and rivers with factories and sordid slums. Dutch wishes for a return to the ways of the Wild West, a life outside the confines of cities and politics where men and women could be free. Dutch's gang reflects that philosophy, with Native American, African American and Mexican gang members treated as equals, and with women willing and able to participate in gunfights with the men. Dutch's gang reflects modern ideals of a diverse, egalitarian society, standing in stark contrast to the racism, sexism and class-based discrimination of 19th-century American cities.
"Not for nothing. For living."
While some villains are notable for their achievements, such as Ozymandias (Watchmen) or Marvel's Thanos, Dutch is ultimately a great villain because he fails. Despite stealing what would now be worth millions from corrupt government officials, industrialists and banks, Dutch's plans end up all for naught, and a significant number of his gang are arrested and killed. In the camp scene, Dutch justifies his failures and his killings with a higher philosophical purpose - 'for living' - because he is in denial about how utterly powerless he and his gang are in the face of well-resourced law enforcement of the incoming 20th century. This denial only accelerates Dutch's descent into madness at the end of both games, with his final realisation before his death being that his time is up - the age of outlaws is well and truly done.
"Ain't no such thing as civilized. It's man so in love with greed, he has forgotten himself and found only appetites."
Dutch Van der Linde is a man out of time. The leader of an outlaw gang, perched on the precipice of the end of the outlaw age, Dutch fought a desperate battle against the encroaching forces of civilisation and the rule of law. Charismatic, intelligent, philosophical and ambitious, Dutch represents a man who knows his era is over, yet struggles on to the end. This scene where Pinkerton detectives invade Dutch's camp and try to arrest him brilliantly illustrates his ideology, and the loyalty Dutch inspires in his men.
"Who made you the Messiah to these lost souls you've led so horribly astray?"
Dutch Van der Linde is a great villain because we, the audience, can root for him. Newly industrialised cities are taking over what once was the Wild West, despoiling virgin forests and rivers with factories and sordid slums. Dutch wishes for a return to the ways of the Wild West, a life outside the confines of cities and politics where men and women could be free. Dutch's gang reflects that philosophy, with Native American, African American and Mexican gang members treated as equals, and with women willing and able to participate in gunfights with the men. Dutch's gang reflects modern ideals of a diverse, egalitarian society, standing in stark contrast to the racism, sexism and class-based discrimination of 19th-century American cities.
"Not for nothing. For living."
While some villains are notable for their achievements, such as Ozymandias (Watchmen) or Marvel's Thanos, Dutch is ultimately a great villain because he fails. Despite stealing what would now be worth millions from corrupt government officials, industrialists and banks, Dutch's plans end up all for naught, and a significant number of his gang are arrested and killed. In the camp scene, Dutch justifies his failures and his killings with a higher philosophical purpose - 'for living' - because he is in denial about how utterly powerless he and his gang are in the face of well-resourced law enforcement of the incoming 20th century. This denial only accelerates Dutch's descent into madness at the end of both games, with his final realisation before his death being that his time is up - the age of outlaws is well and truly done.
VS
Arthas, the Lich King - Warcraft series
Arthas Menethil, once a Paladin, heir to the throne of Lordaeron, could not save his people from the Scourge and its Plague. Led to despair and hatred, he turned into a Champion for the Lich King, the master of the Scourge. He helped in the destruction of his former home and the destruction and killing of the sun elves of Quel'Thalas. He later became one with the Lich King himself. A master of death, he profaned the cycle countless times, bringing back fallen champions to fuel his armies. Kingdoms shattered, lives and deaths ruined. There must ALWAYS be a Lich King!
THIRD FIGHT
Walter White also known as Heisenberg
Walter White also known as Heisenberg
An an average meek high school chemistry teacher with inferiority complex that slowly changes and transforms into a sinister, murderous drug kingpin driven by ego and greed.
Walt as villain is charismatic, calculated, prideful and arrogant man. a master manipulator. who also cares deeply about his family.
his initial reason behind making meth was to leave some money that will support his family after dying of cancer but as story goes on it shows his true motivation was his deep rooted pride and desire for recognition, satisfaction and accomplishment. he wanted the excitement of the empire business. He wanted to be alive.
You can't help but enjoy watching him develop and cheer for him when taking on career criminals and beating them at their own game.
One of my favorite scenes is the iconic "I am the one who knocks"
An an average meek high school chemistry teacher with inferiority complex that slowly changes and transforms into a sinister, murderous drug kingpin driven by ego and greed.
Walt as villain is charismatic, calculated, prideful and arrogant man. a master manipulator. who also cares deeply about his family.
his initial reason behind making meth was to leave some money that will support his family after dying of cancer but as story goes on it shows his true motivation was his deep rooted pride and desire for recognition, satisfaction and accomplishment. he wanted the excitement of the empire business. He wanted to be alive.
You can't help but enjoy watching him develop and cheer for him when taking on career criminals and beating them at their own game.
One of my favorite scenes is the iconic "I am the one who knocks"
VS
Light Yagami
Light Yagami is such a great villain due to how detailed and human his development is. Just like how real people will tend to justify their decisions no matter how bad, so does Light. In his head he is being heroic, despite the terror he causes. All of the characteristics that made him a model citizen, turned into assets to his evil. His intelligence allowed him to plot out the most intricate crimes, his charisma made it easy for him to deceive characters into giving up their names, and most decisively, the arrogance that can come with being a model student (perfect grades, friends, etc.), turned into the god complex that allowed him to justify so many murders. Despite this, because you follow his development so closely and his reason for committing his crimes is so consistent and thought out, it is hard not to find yourself rooting for him at times.
Couldn't find my favorite scene, but here is a good one.
One of Light's planned out crimes:
Couldn't find my favorite scene, but here is a good one.
One of Light's planned out crimes:
FOURTH FIGHT
Kira Yoshikage from Jojo
I love his personality, calm, smart and without any particular ambition, he's just a crazy and horny mf 
Kira is a psychopathic serial killer with a fetish for women's hands, he has already committed about 40 murders (almost always of young women living in the vicinity of Morioh). Living only to commit murders but still wanting to live a peaceful life, he would give anything to keep the quietness and casualness of his everyday life as a wealthy city dweller.
Kira is a psychopathic serial killer with a fetish for women's hands, he has already committed about 40 murders (almost always of young women living in the vicinity of Morioh). Living only to commit murders but still wanting to live a peaceful life, he would give anything to keep the quietness and casualness of his everyday life as a wealthy city dweller.
VS
Griffith from Berserk
Griffith is the perfect villlain:
Here's why
You start off by looking up to him
Griffith begins the series as the established leader of a mercenary band, and takes the main character (Guts/Gattsu/Gatts) under his wing.
Not only that, but he's a brilliant tactician that does not come from a noble background. Consequentially, this means that he's fighting the man (or in this case, the established system of nobility and born titles which defined the worth of many by birth in the medieval ages), and he's doing this by "pulling himself up by his own bootstraps" (I hate that phrase).
Throughout the start of the series, we not only see Griffith lead the Band of the Hawk to victory, we see him upset the established order of the world (well, Midland, in this case).
And above all else, he's extremely charismatic. We look up to him.
He quickly gains our trust
Throughout the beginning of the story, we see many references where members of the Band of the Hawk go on and on about how amazing Griffith is. Everybody fawns over him.
He's like the popular kid in school (only with a lot more tactical knowledge). Sure, the other generals in the Band are looked up to by their troops (even that little shit Corkus (video)), but none are anywhere near as well loved as Griffith, and for good reason. He organized them, lead them to victory, treated them well, and put them on a path of being recognized for their skills as opposed to their birth (or he just gave them the spoils of war as per the norm - whatever). He seems to authentically care for those that work closely with him, and even worked to save Guts from a nasty predicament or 2 (ZOD!) during their time together.
We root for him
He's also not someone to be screwed with. Griffith knows how to plan on and off of the battlefield. All of his moves are calculated. This is already admirable on its own, but the execution of his plans are what really make us want to root for him. We see how the nobility plans against him, and we want Griffith to succeed. We want him to shove it in their stupid, cake-eating noble faces that a common-born man is better than they are. We want to see his goals realized, in the beginning of this story.
We admire him for everything that he does, and for his dream.
He ruins everything
...but then we figure out how far he'll really go to achieve this dream.
Griffith betrays our trust, and not in any lighthearted way. This is why he's such a well written villain. He doesn't just forget to show up to our party, or stop responding to our texts. All those people that look up to him? He literally lets all but 2 of them get eaten alive. Eaten alive, or torn apart in horrific ways.
Of the 2 that don't die, one is mutilated (Guts), and one is raped into a near-catatonic state (Casca).
In this one action, for many fans Griffith goes from a Christ-like figure to a character akin go the Devil himself.
Why does this matter?
No matter how good of a reputation you have, your actions define you. One misdeed, regardless of the reasoning behind it, can mar your reputation beyond repair.
In Dante's Inferno, the center of hell is reserved for traitors. Right next to Satan are several of them, including Judas and Cain (two characters who are forever remembered by one key decision they made).
Being a traitor doesn't put you in anyone's good graces, and many people see Griffith as a traitor.
So what? There are plenty of traitors in manga/anime, right? Why should Griffith get more hate than them for betraying everyone?
Here's why
You start off by looking up to him
Griffith begins the series as the established leader of a mercenary band, and takes the main character (Guts/Gattsu/Gatts) under his wing.
Not only that, but he's a brilliant tactician that does not come from a noble background. Consequentially, this means that he's fighting the man (or in this case, the established system of nobility and born titles which defined the worth of many by birth in the medieval ages), and he's doing this by "pulling himself up by his own bootstraps" (I hate that phrase).
Throughout the start of the series, we not only see Griffith lead the Band of the Hawk to victory, we see him upset the established order of the world (well, Midland, in this case).
And above all else, he's extremely charismatic. We look up to him.
He quickly gains our trust
Throughout the beginning of the story, we see many references where members of the Band of the Hawk go on and on about how amazing Griffith is. Everybody fawns over him.
He's like the popular kid in school (only with a lot more tactical knowledge). Sure, the other generals in the Band are looked up to by their troops (even that little shit Corkus (video)), but none are anywhere near as well loved as Griffith, and for good reason. He organized them, lead them to victory, treated them well, and put them on a path of being recognized for their skills as opposed to their birth (or he just gave them the spoils of war as per the norm - whatever). He seems to authentically care for those that work closely with him, and even worked to save Guts from a nasty predicament or 2 (ZOD!) during their time together.
We root for him
He's also not someone to be screwed with. Griffith knows how to plan on and off of the battlefield. All of his moves are calculated. This is already admirable on its own, but the execution of his plans are what really make us want to root for him. We see how the nobility plans against him, and we want Griffith to succeed. We want him to shove it in their stupid, cake-eating noble faces that a common-born man is better than they are. We want to see his goals realized, in the beginning of this story.
We admire him for everything that he does, and for his dream.
He ruins everything
...but then we figure out how far he'll really go to achieve this dream.
Griffith betrays our trust, and not in any lighthearted way. This is why he's such a well written villain. He doesn't just forget to show up to our party, or stop responding to our texts. All those people that look up to him? He literally lets all but 2 of them get eaten alive. Eaten alive, or torn apart in horrific ways.
Of the 2 that don't die, one is mutilated (Guts), and one is raped into a near-catatonic state (Casca).
In this one action, for many fans Griffith goes from a Christ-like figure to a character akin go the Devil himself.
Why does this matter?
No matter how good of a reputation you have, your actions define you. One misdeed, regardless of the reasoning behind it, can mar your reputation beyond repair.
In Dante's Inferno, the center of hell is reserved for traitors. Right next to Satan are several of them, including Judas and Cain (two characters who are forever remembered by one key decision they made).
Being a traitor doesn't put you in anyone's good graces, and many people see Griffith as a traitor.
So what? There are plenty of traitors in manga/anime, right? Why should Griffith get more hate than them for betraying everyone?
- Because of what he represents.
- Because of who he betrays.
- Because of what this means.
What Griffith represents, originally, is something that a lot of us can identify with. His ideals and his dreams contrast greatly with the chaos and horror of Berserk's world. Griffith doesn't want a castle - he wants to break society's limitations, cast away entitlement, and achieve greatness through actions, not through a station in life. Many of us want this as well.
During the actions of the eclipse, Griffith betrays what he represents to many of us. He also betrays several characters that we've grown to love.
That really pisses off a lot of fans, especially because it was Griffith's conscious choice to do this.
What does this mean?
This means we have to come face to face with watching one of our heroes fall short.
What if it was Corkus that betrayed everyone? Or one of the noblemen? Maybe the king, or some secondary character that they were allied with? Yeah, we'd hate them, but that hate would be nowhere near the level of that reserved for Griffith. We could make peace with the other characters being traitors.
Not Griffith, though. Watching Griffith betray us stings. Griffith was never supposed to be a traitor.
That's why we hate Griffith so much: because we loved him, and he turned out to be something else than what we thought, in terrible fashion.
But hey, who knows. Perhaps Griffith is really playing 4D chess, and this is all just a long game to save the world from the God Hand?
Would that really matter?
Scene:
During the actions of the eclipse, Griffith betrays what he represents to many of us. He also betrays several characters that we've grown to love.
That really pisses off a lot of fans, especially because it was Griffith's conscious choice to do this.
What does this mean?
This means we have to come face to face with watching one of our heroes fall short.
What if it was Corkus that betrayed everyone? Or one of the noblemen? Maybe the king, or some secondary character that they were allied with? Yeah, we'd hate them, but that hate would be nowhere near the level of that reserved for Griffith. We could make peace with the other characters being traitors.
Not Griffith, though. Watching Griffith betray us stings. Griffith was never supposed to be a traitor.
That's why we hate Griffith so much: because we loved him, and he turned out to be something else than what we thought, in terrible fashion.
But hey, who knows. Perhaps Griffith is really playing 4D chess, and this is all just a long game to save the world from the God Hand?
Would that really matter?
Scene:
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