Versus Battle Carissa vs Yami Sukehiro

[Astaro]

Who wins?

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For Black Clover.

Don’t know anyone on here that knows Index.

We should make a pinned thread here to know who to shoutout for whatever series

 

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I don't know the first fighter. What kind of abilities does she have?

 

[Bob74h]

Waifu girl >> the buff chad dude

 

[Astaro]

Alright.

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I don't know the first fighter. What kind of abilities does she have?

Carissa uses a sword called Curtana Original. With it, she gains superhuman strength and speed and the power to cut through all dimensions at once with each swing.

Besides the omni-dimension slicing itself being lethal and cutting through anything, she also weaponizes the dimension wreckage made from every slice as both shields and projectiles. For an idea of the weight of the dimensional wreckage, one the size of a pot was heavy that simply being placed on the ground had it sink beneath the earth and she can make wreckages as big as over a hundred meters.

Feats:

With the sword, Carissa’s possesses enough power to wipe out Europe all by herself and nothing short of a Magic God or Angel can stop her.

Spoiler

"That sword is like a conductor's baton that controls the massive spell put together geographically by the 4 cultures that make up the United Kingdom. The knights could use all their strength to protect the United Kingdom while Carissa single-handedly uses Curtana to demolish Europe. …That method could actually end up working. After all, it is possible that human magic would not be able to harm her if she fully released Curtana Original's power."

If that happened, it would be almost impossible for anyone to rival Carissa unless a true angel or possibly a Magic God stepped forward.

Carissa slamming the blade into the ground produced a 500 meter explosion too powerful for Touma to negate with Imagine Breaker

Spoiler

“It looks like that dangerous cutting ability is only on the edges of the sword. The sides must be normal steel. You just need to hit that part with your sword to make her stagger for even a second. Then I’ll destroy that spiritual item with my right hand."

“Oh, how scary,” Carissa said in a clearly mocking tone of voice.

“If I remember correctly, that’s your patented Imagine Breaker.”

She stopped spinning Curtana Original around.

The flat end with no tip was pointed down.

With the sword completely frozen in place, she spoke.

“So allow me to show you how I deal with that.”

Carissa stabbed the end of Curtana Original into the ground.

The great noise of a shockwave pounded on Kamijou’s ears.

With the second princess in the center, a dome-shaped storm of destruction with a radius of 500 meters erupted.

She had most likely taken the flow of magic power focused on the all dimension severing spell and changed it to a different route. Although the created destructive power was not as high as the power needed to slice through other dimensions, shockwaves were scattered evenly in all directions in the 3 dimensional world.

It was basically an explosion

The ground was torn up, trees were knocked down, and the large wall of destruction reached Kamijou in an instant.

“Oooooooooooooooohhhhhh!?”

Pushed by that power, it took less than 2 seconds for his feet to be lifted from the ground.

Once he was in the air, the rest was simple.

Kamijou's body flew further up into the air.

The dome-shaped explosion had a radius of 500 meters. Kamijou’s body was fired diagonally up by its force until he was 200 meters up in the night sky. In the instant when the force pushing him up and gravity were in equilibrium, Kamijou Touma floated motionless in the air and looked at the sparse night view of Folkestone.

The blades power to cut through all dimensions at once.

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She curtly swung down the sword.

In the next instant, Kamijou Touma saw a dimension being severed for the first time in his life.

Its range was a little less than 20 meters.

With a strange noise, something passed through along a line that Kamijou and Acqua had been on just a moment before. Something like a belt or a wall that was only about as wide as Curtana Original expanded. It was white and looked a little like a plastic model before it was colored. That object that looked not entirely complete appeared before Kamijou’s eyes.

“I could feel it when I was practicing before. This spiritual item is quite old, but its disposition seems to change a bit when someone wields it based on modern military knowledge. …Well, I’m sure my mother would be able to do something similar because she has the same nature.” A tone of enjoyment could be heard in Carissa’s voice. “Did you know that the cross section you get by slicing a 3 dimensional object is 2 dimensional? And slicing a 2 dimensional object creates a 1 dimensional cross section.”

With a clunk, the mysterious belt-shaped object that had been irrationally floating in the air fell to the ground right next to Kamijou.

It felt something like pottery, but it was actually extremely heavy despite how it looked. Even after it fell, it continued to sink into the black soil.

“Similarly, when a dimension higher than our 3 dimensions is sliced, the cross section appears in this world in a 3 dimensional form. As a result, the ruins of a cross section appears like this.”

Spoiler

“This simultaneously severs every dimension at the coordinates whether they are higher dimensions or lower dimensions. It seems the only cross section objects created that we can perceive are the ones that can appear in a 3 dimensional world.”

(What…?)

Kamijou was completely dumbfounded.

If what she was saying was true, that sword was a monstrous weapon that could cut right through dimensions which did exist but were more of a concept than anything. No matter how much steel someone used to protect his body, Curtana Original could cut right through the dimension to cleave him in two.

Even so, Kamijou did not feel any fear. The scale was simply too great. Apparently the universe was constantly expanding due to the big bang, but no one could concretely feel the universe expanding with their 5 senses. Second Princess Carissa was using a power on that level.

“All Dimensions Severing Spell.”

Spoiler

Carissa held up her sword that could slice through not just a manmade nuclear shelter but the earth and the universe itself.

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A chill ran down his spine. After all, his opponent attacked with a strike that could slice through all dimensions that could be represented with whole numbers. If he misread the situation, he wouldn't just lose his right arm. His entire body would be sliced in two.

Using only the Shards of Curtana Second, which puts her at less than 20% of the power she had before with Curtana Original, tanks and cuts through hundred to thousands of Archangel Gabriel’s Water Wings.

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SCREECH!

The sound of something scraping together. That depression in Misha’s face where her mouth should be moved ever so slightly.

“bhrovINCREASEgbATTACKeoiwvpghSPEEDrug”

“This bastard! She still has energy left-!!”

Carissa wore an expression of shock, as Misha’s movements far exceeded her calculations. Over a hundred wings of ice, directed not at her and the Holy Woman, but rather, at the surviving Russian and Academy City soldiers.

“That bastard!”

As fast as she could, the second princess of England moved at supersonic speeds, putting herself between the archangel and the surviving troops. To save the lives of innocent people from the wrath of an archangel, she put her life on the line. Misha Kreutzev struck without mercy, for this was the moment she had been waiting for. The entire landscape shuddered with the impact.

Carissa clenched her teeth, blood coming out from her mouth. She could hear the sound of bones breaking. Even though she used Curtana Second to take the brunt of the attack, the force of the wings pressing her into the ground made her fear for her life. She thought that she would be squished to death, intestines spilling out all over the place.

However the scariest part wasn’t that. In the bleeding palm of Carissa’s hand, the shard of Curtana Second had shattered under the immense pressure.

“bndgCONFIRMEDeworiEFFECTIVE”

Misha coldly spoke. Once again, hundreds of frozen wings crashed down. This time, Carissa did not have the sword of light in her hands. Even the shard of Curtana Second from which the blade was formed had gone.

This time, even the sound vanished.

Everyone watched speechless. The Holy Woman of Versailles and her French forces, the English forces led by Knight Leader, plus the Russians and Academy City troops for whom magic was not even a confirmed existence yet. All stopped their motions. However, this reaction was not towards the destructive power of Misha Kreutzev.

“….yes, my sword is created by using the power of the Curtana Second shard to borrow the power of England’s warriors. If the shard is broken, this power vanishes.”

The voice of the girl in red echoed across the land. The voice of the second princess of England, who governed all ‘military affairs’.

“However, who said one was only limited to possessing one shard of Curtana Second?!”

VROOM!

The blade of light reignited. Or more correctly, blades of light, for Carissa was wielding dual swords of light now. Around her waist, ten more shards were tied in a belt.

“As a princess who gambled the fate of her own country in this war, I shall not go down so easily!”

“hdtrnDAMAGEbgurgCONFIRMEDhtr”

With a high pitched noise, Misha repositioned all of her ice wings at once.

The above Water Wings Carissa tanked are powerful enough to sever mountains with a touch of outright vaporize them and carve out entire valleys with the force Gabriel fires them.

Spoiler

”Each wing was thoroughly infused with Telesma, and each attack could flatten mountains and carve valleys like Divine Judgment. Even if it was on the battlefield as per normal, Kanzaki, who often caused enemies to back away in fear, was now stiff with tension. If it were anyone else, the killing intent released would have caused the person to faint."

Spoiler

An angel.

Gabriel.

Misha Kreutzev.

“Stop,” Kamijou said without meaning to.

Something floated in the vast battlefield like a single light in the darkness. It was a bluish-white light. A human-like silhouette stayed oddly still at 3000 meters up in the air.

Wings grew from the silhouette’s back.

They were ice wings that looked like crystals.

Their lengths were uneven. Some were only a few dozen centimeters while others were longer than 100 meters. Each of those uneven wings moved independently and ominous sparks flew when they struck each other. Kamijou knew that all of those wings held the destructive power to sever a mountain just by touching it.

Spoiler

"That blue point of light had swung that giant wing solely to blow away that formation of unmanned fighters. However, the giant wing disintegrated partway through breaking it in half. The severed half flew on and created a gigantic explosion near the horizon where it landed.

An enormous mass of dirt flew up into the air.

An entire mountain had been blown away."

Spoiler

"Misha (Gabriel in disguise) raised her palm.

Something happened.

WHOOSH!!

Something flew past Carissa’s face, and the mountain behind her was vaporized. She could not react at all. Misha realized this, and readjusted her aim, moving her palm a little bit."

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Alright.

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Carissa uses a sword called Curtana Original. With it, she gains superhuman strength and speed and the power to cut through all dimensions at once with each swing.

Besides the omni-dimension slicing itself being lethal and cutting through anything, she also weaponizes the dimension wreckage made from every slice as both shields and projectiles. For an idea of the weight of the dimensional wreckage, one the size of a pot was heavy that simply being placed on the ground had it sink beneath the earth and she can make wreckages as big as over a hundred meters.

Feats:

With the sword, Carissa’s possesses enough power to wipe out Europe all by herself and nothing short of a Magic God or Angel can stop her.

Spoiler

"That sword is like a conductor's baton that controls the massive spell put together geographically by the 4 cultures that make up the United Kingdom. The knights could use all their strength to protect the United Kingdom while Carissa single-handedly uses Curtana to demolish Europe. …That method could actually end up working. After all, it is possible that human magic would not be able to harm her if she fully released Curtana Original's power."

If that happened, it would be almost impossible for anyone to rival Carissa unless a true angel or possibly a Magic God stepped forward.

Carissa slamming the blade into the ground produced a 500 meter explosion too powerful for Touma to negate with Imagine Breaker

Spoiler

“It looks like that dangerous cutting ability is only on the edges of the sword. The sides must be normal steel. You just need to hit that part with your sword to make her stagger for even a second. Then I’ll destroy that spiritual item with my right hand."

“Oh, how scary,” Carissa said in a clearly mocking tone of voice.

“If I remember correctly, that’s your patented Imagine Breaker.”

She stopped spinning Curtana Original around.

The flat end with no tip was pointed down.

With the sword completely frozen in place, she spoke.

“So allow me to show you how I deal with that.”

Carissa stabbed the end of Curtana Original into the ground.

The great noise of a shockwave pounded on Kamijou’s ears.

With the second princess in the center, a dome-shaped storm of destruction with a radius of 500 meters erupted.

She had most likely taken the flow of magic power focused on the all dimension severing spell and changed it to a different route. Although the created destructive power was not as high as the power needed to slice through other dimensions, shockwaves were scattered evenly in all directions in the 3 dimensional world.

It was basically an explosion

The ground was torn up, trees were knocked down, and the large wall of destruction reached Kamijou in an instant.

“Oooooooooooooooohhhhhh!?”

Pushed by that power, it took less than 2 seconds for his feet to be lifted from the ground.

Once he was in the air, the rest was simple.

Kamijou's body flew further up into the air.

The dome-shaped explosion had a radius of 500 meters. Kamijou’s body was fired diagonally up by its force until he was 200 meters up in the night sky. In the instant when the force pushing him up and gravity were in equilibrium, Kamijou Touma floated motionless in the air and looked at the sparse night view of Folkestone.

The blades power to cut through all dimensions at once.

Spoiler

She curtly swung down the sword.

In the next instant, Kamijou Touma saw a dimension being severed for the first time in his life.

Its range was a little less than 20 meters.

With a strange noise, something passed through along a line that Kamijou and Acqua had been on just a moment before. Something like a belt or a wall that was only about as wide as Curtana Original expanded. It was white and looked a little like a plastic model before it was colored. That object that looked not entirely complete appeared before Kamijou’s eyes.

“I could feel it when I was practicing before. This spiritual item is quite old, but its disposition seems to change a bit when someone wields it based on modern military knowledge. …Well, I’m sure my mother would be able to do something similar because she has the same nature.” A tone of enjoyment could be heard in Carissa’s voice. “Did you know that the cross section you get by slicing a 3 dimensional object is 2 dimensional? And slicing a 2 dimensional object creates a 1 dimensional cross section.”

With a clunk, the mysterious belt-shaped object that had been irrationally floating in the air fell to the ground right next to Kamijou.

It felt something like pottery, but it was actually extremely heavy despite how it looked. Even after it fell, it continued to sink into the black soil.

“Similarly, when a dimension higher than our 3 dimensions is sliced, the cross section appears in this world in a 3 dimensional form. As a result, the ruins of a cross section appears like this.”

Spoiler

“This simultaneously severs every dimension at the coordinates whether they are higher dimensions or lower dimensions. It seems the only cross section objects created that we can perceive are the ones that can appear in a 3 dimensional world.”

(What…?)

Kamijou was completely dumbfounded.

If what she was saying was true, that sword was a monstrous weapon that could cut right through dimensions which did exist but were more of a concept than anything. No matter how much steel someone used to protect his body, Curtana Original could cut right through the dimension to cleave him in two.

Even so, Kamijou did not feel any fear. The scale was simply too great. Apparently the universe was constantly expanding due to the big bang, but no one could concretely feel the universe expanding with their 5 senses. Second Princess Carissa was using a power on that level.

“All Dimensions Severing Spell.”

Spoiler

Carissa held up her sword that could slice through not just a manmade nuclear shelter but the earth and the universe itself.

Spoiler

A chill ran down his spine. After all, his opponent attacked with a strike that could slice through all dimensions that could be represented with whole numbers. If he misread the situation, he wouldn't just lose his right arm. His entire body would be sliced in two.

Using only the Shards of Curtana Second, which puts her at less than 20% of the power she had before with Curtana Original, tanks and cuts through hundred to thousands of Archangel Gabriel’s Water Wings.

Spoiler

SCREECH!

The sound of something scraping together. That depression in Misha’s face where her mouth should be moved ever so slightly.

“bhrovINCREASEgbATTACKeoiwvpghSPEEDrug”

“This bastard! She still has energy left-!!”

Carissa wore an expression of shock, as Misha’s movements far exceeded her calculations. Over a hundred wings of ice, directed not at her and the Holy Woman, but rather, at the surviving Russian and Academy City soldiers.

“That bastard!”

As fast as she could, the second princess of England moved at supersonic speeds, putting herself between the archangel and the surviving troops. To save the lives of innocent people from the wrath of an archangel, she put her life on the line. Misha Kreutzev struck without mercy, for this was the moment she had been waiting for. The entire landscape shuddered with the impact.

Carissa clenched her teeth, blood coming out from her mouth. She could hear the sound of bones breaking. Even though she used Curtana Second to take the brunt of the attack, the force of the wings pressing her into the ground made her fear for her life. She thought that she would be squished to death, intestines spilling out all over the place.

However the scariest part wasn’t that. In the bleeding palm of Carissa’s hand, the shard of Curtana Second had shattered under the immense pressure.

“bndgCONFIRMEDeworiEFFECTIVE”

Misha coldly spoke. Once again, hundreds of frozen wings crashed down. This time, Carissa did not have the sword of light in her hands. Even the shard of Curtana Second from which the blade was formed had gone.

This time, even the sound vanished.

Everyone watched speechless. The Holy Woman of Versailles and her French forces, the English forces led by Knight Leader, plus the Russians and Academy City troops for whom magic was not even a confirmed existence yet. All stopped their motions. However, this reaction was not towards the destructive power of Misha Kreutzev.

“….yes, my sword is created by using the power of the Curtana Second shard to borrow the power of England’s warriors. If the shard is broken, this power vanishes.”

The voice of the girl in red echoed across the land. The voice of the second princess of England, who governed all ‘military affairs’.

“However, who said one was only limited to possessing one shard of Curtana Second?!”

VROOM!

The blade of light reignited. Or more correctly, blades of light, for Carissa was wielding dual swords of light now. Around her waist, ten more shards were tied in a belt.

“As a princess who gambled the fate of her own country in this war, I shall not go down so easily!”

“hdtrnDAMAGEbgurgCONFIRMEDhtr”

With a high pitched noise, Misha repositioned all of her ice wings at once.

The above Water Wings Carissa tanked are powerful enough to sever mountains with a touch of outright vaporize them and carve out entire valleys with the force Gabriel fires them.

Spoiler

”Each wing was thoroughly infused with Telesma, and each attack could flatten mountains and carve valleys like Divine Judgment. Even if it was on the battlefield as per normal, Kanzaki, who often caused enemies to back away in fear, was now stiff with tension. If it were anyone else, the killing intent released would have caused the person to faint."

Spoiler

An angel.

Gabriel.

Misha Kreutzev.

“Stop,” Kamijou said without meaning to.

Something floated in the vast battlefield like a single light in the darkness. It was a bluish-white light. A human-like silhouette stayed oddly still at 3000 meters up in the air.

Wings grew from the silhouette’s back.

They were ice wings that looked like crystals.

Their lengths were uneven. Some were only a few dozen centimeters while others were longer than 100 meters. Each of those uneven wings moved independently and ominous sparks flew when they struck each other. Kamijou knew that all of those wings held the destructive power to sever a mountain just by touching it.

Spoiler

"That blue point of light had swung that giant wing solely to blow away that formation of unmanned fighters. However, the giant wing disintegrated partway through breaking it in half. The severed half flew on and created a gigantic explosion near the horizon where it landed.

An enormous mass of dirt flew up into the air.

An entire mountain had been blown away."

Spoiler

"Misha (Gabriel in disguise) raised her palm.

Something happened.

WHOOSH!!

Something flew past Carissa’s face, and the mountain behind her was vaporized. She could not react at all. Misha realized this, and readjusted her aim, moving her palm a little bit."

How fast is she?

 

[Astaro]

How fast is she?

At least as fast as Kanzaki and Level 5 Espers such as Misaka whose feats include easily reacting to Lightning at close range and dodging and intercepting both photon beams and Meltdowner electron beams again at close quarters.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

At least as fast as Kanzaki and Level 5 Espers such as Misaka whose feats include easily reacting to Lightning at close range and dodging and intercepting both photon beams and Meltdowner electron beams again at close quarters.

So you'd say it's Light speed from what I get or slightly faster?


Cuz Yami is FTL+++ with how Black Clover works and the new feats against Lucifero. Plus his powers increased as well as the DC and AP of the attacks. You brought up she tanked mountain level attacks, which doesn't mean much against Yami, without even mentioning the dimension slash of Yami's.

 

[Astaro]

So you'd say it's Light speed from what I get or slightly faster?


Cuz Yami is FTL+++ with how Black Clover works and the new feats against Lucifero. Plus his powers increased as well as the DC and AP of the attacks. You brought up she tanked mountain level attacks, which doesn't mean much against Yami, without even mentioning the dimension slash of Yami's.

at least FTL for Kanzaki since she redirected a photon beam that was already past the main characters outstretched hand and before it could his face, being able to perform several sword slashes in that time frame.

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His right hand feeling a hair's breadth from dismemberment, Kamijou immediately braced it with his left, grabbing his right wrist.

A shocking pain erupted on the palm of his right hand. The magic was cutting into his skin...His right hand's ability couldn't keep up, and the beam was edging closer to Kamijou, one milimeter at a time.

“It’s not just the sheer quantity...! Its like every single photon has its own properties!!"
...

A very nasty sound emanated from his right pinkie. It bent at an unnatural angle... and broke.

The instant this registered, the indescribably powerful pillar blew through his defense.

His right hand recoiled away.

The shaft of light rushed at his defenseless face at a speed beggaring imagination...

...Salvare000!!

Just before the pillar of light hit him, kamijou heard Kanzaki shout.

It wasn't Japanese. it wasn't any language with which he was familiar. But he heard something similar- it was a name. It had been when he faced Stiyl in the student dormitory. It was the name Stiyl'd said all magicians must give when using magic. Her magic name.

The nodachi Kanzaki held, close to two meters in length, sliced through the air. The Seven Glints, using seven metal wires, approached Index with sound-splitting speed.

But her attack wasn't aimed at Index herself.

The seven metal wires shredded the frail tatami at Index's feet all at once. Suddenly without footing, she began falling backward. The magic circles linked to Index's eyes moved as well, causing the pillar of light aimed at Kamijou to move as well.

The beam swung upward like a giant sword, rending the wall, then the ceiling, leaving nothing in it's wake. Even the black clouds floating in the night sky were torn open... It might even have sliced through satellites in low-Earth orbit.

Also got Misaka likewise clearly dodging 4 electron beams fired at her both point blank and from behind.

That’s why I made the thread: two sword masters with blades that can cut through dimensions

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

at least FTL for Kanzaki since she redirected a photon beam that was already past the main characters outstretched hand and before it could his face, being able to perform several sword slashes in that time frame.

Spoiler

His right hand feeling a hair's breadth from dismemberment, Kamijou immediately braced it with his left, grabbing his right wrist.

A shocking pain erupted on the palm of his right hand. The magic was cutting into his skin...His right hand's ability couldn't keep up, and the beam was edging closer to Kamijou, one milimeter at a time.

“It’s not just the sheer quantity...! Its like every single photon has its own properties!!"
...

A very nasty sound emanated from his right pinkie. It bent at an unnatural angle... and broke.

The instant this registered, the indescribably powerful pillar blew through his defense.

His right hand recoiled away.

The shaft of light rushed at his defenseless face at a speed beggaring imagination...

...Salvare000!!

Just before the pillar of light hit him, kamijou heard Kanzaki shout.

It wasn't Japanese. it wasn't any language with which he was familiar. But he heard something similar- it was a name. It had been when he faced Stiyl in the student dormitory. It was the name Stiyl'd said all magicians must give when using magic. Her magic name.

The nodachi Kanzaki held, close to two meters in length, sliced through the air. The Seven Glints, using seven metal wires, approached Index with sound-splitting speed.

But her attack wasn't aimed at Index herself.

The seven metal wires shredded the frail tatami at Index's feet all at once. Suddenly without footing, she began falling backward. The magic circles linked to Index's eyes moved as well, causing the pillar of light aimed at Kamijou to move as well.

The beam swung upward like a giant sword, rending the wall, then the ceiling, leaving nothing in it's wake. Even the black clouds floating in the night sky were torn open... It might even have sliced through satellites in low-Earth orbit.

Also got Misaka likewise clearly dodging 4 electron beams fired at her both point blank and from behind.

So I think we agree on Yami being faster here, right? This is a good feat, but Yami had feats like this back in the starting parts of the manga.
Yami fights is a light magic user and attacks and moves at light speed

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Yami easily reacts to his attacks

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Then later on Yami notes he got even faster than that

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and Yami still manages to react to him and to block and counterattack

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Note that Yami has his own kind of FS/COO lmao

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And this was basically early series Yami. Do note as well that Yami is somewhat like Garou, constantly breaking and surpassing his limits. That's like a quirk of his.


And like I said this was the early part of the manga. Like 300 chapters ago. Yami has since evolved multiple times, surpassing his limits and breaking past them and fighting stronger and stronger foes.


His strikes are much more powerful that mountain level attacks, much much, so even if the girl's dura is above mountain, Yami's latest attacks put him according to scaling to continent class, which is by far above that.



So yeah I am backing up Yami here.



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[Astaro]

So I think we agree on Yami being faster here, right? This is a good feat, but Yami had feats like this back in the starting parts of the manga.
Yami fights is a light magic user and attacks and moves at light speed

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Yami easily reacts to his attacks

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Then later on Yami notes he got even faster than that

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and Yami still manages to react to him and to block and counterattack

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Note that Yami has his own kind of FS/COO lmao

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And this was basically early series Yami. Do note as well that Yami is somewhat like Garou, constantly breaking and surpassing his limits. That's like a quirk of his.


And like I said this was the early part of the manga. Like 300 chapters ago. Yami has since evolved multiple times, surpassing his limits and breaking past them and fighting stronger and stronger foes.


His strikes are much more powerful that mountain level attacks, much much, so even if the girl's dura is above mountain, Yami's latest attacks put him according to scaling to continent class, which is by far above that.



So yeah I am backing up Yami here.



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Based on the scans, they seem about comparable in speed. Durability is largely not too important here because they both have attacks that will one-shot the other if they connect

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Based on the scans, they seem about comparable in speed.

Perhaps, but like I said this was Yami 300 chapters ago. Since then they were getting stronger, faster, more powerful, etc. Typical shonen progress. And now we're at the part where feats like those look weak in comparison to what they do now. That's why I said FTL+++

Yeah they can but Yami dishes more power with each strike than she can handle. So yeah she seems outmatched to me here cuz Yami's faster.

 

[Astaro]

Perhaps, but like I said this was Yami 300 chapters ago. Since then they were getting stronger, faster, more powerful, etc. Typical shonen progress. And now we're at the part where feats like those look weak in comparison to what they do now. That's why I said FTL+++

Yeah they can but Yami dishes more power with each strike than she can handle. So yeah she seems outmatched to me here cuz Yami's faster.

Thats dubious to really say but if we go by that, Carissa’s subordinate Knight Leader blitzed Kanzaki, as in he was literal blur to her with his movements, and Knight Leader admits hes still no match for Carissa.

Not to mention Knight Leader possessed a pretty broken power called Pattern Magic which gives him various buffs. One of them, Movement Speed, increases his speed to the point where even those who could keep up with him no longer couldn’t. (he did not uses Movement Speed against Kanzaki, in fact, he beat her without even drawing his sword which is needed to use Pattern Magic.)

Pattern Magic is basically Magic buffs to ones sword skills like Movement Speed increasing ones speed, Attack Range turning ones swing into long ranged attacks, Cutting power that increases ones cutting power well beyond the limit, etc.

Pattern Magic feats

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Knight Leader’s face held a bitter expression as he swung his dark red sword around at a high speed.

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He was using a pattern.

In the stories of Norse, Celtic, Charlemagnic, and Germanic warriors and knights, many legendary weapons were spoken of, but a certain pattern existed in all those weapons.

“I mastered the many paths of knighthood and thought I would compensate for each one’s weakness by unifying them, but it seems the more complicated the combination gets, you have to simplify it down to a single strike. I suppose it is similar to the demise of a star like the sun. When a star grows too large, it finally explodes and gives birth to a black hole. …It becomes a mere gravitational field. It becomes something that is theoretically simple but still produces a great power.”

It was a single strike born from combining all sorts of spells.

As such, magically interfering with it or cancelling it out was incredibly difficult. To find the solution, one had to head down every one of the paths Knight Leader had taken.

“However, this is not the kind of complete demise that turns the star into a black hole. There are many ways for a star to meet its demise. If the star’s mass is not at a certain level, it can apparently turn into other things such as a neutron star or an interstellar cloud. It seems my strike gained the characteristic of the sword due to this imperfection.”

Knight Leader’s slim fingertips tightly held his dark-red sword.

“Theoretically, this level of characteristic can be divided into a few categories instead of being lumped together in a single category. Simply put, there is the Slicing Power that can cut through anything, the Weapon Weight that creates tremendous destructive force, the Enduring Solidity that cannot be destroyed, and the Movement Speed that makes no one able to catch up to me. There is also Special Use, a rare pattern necessary to slay particular monsters, Precise Accuracy that automatically has me move toward the vital points, and the pattern I just used against you.”

“…The Attack Range, you mean?”

He had reanalyzed the laws behind the Norse Gungnir and Mjölnir, the Celtic Fragarach and Brionac, and other weapons, combined them, and then condensed them. His evolution had constructed completely new spells much like a black hole being created from the death of a star that grew too large.

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“Let’s go,” said William Orwell quietly.

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“Come,” Knight Leader quietly responded.

With a tremendous roar, Knight Leader’s long distance strikes attacked William from all directions.

It was the Attack Range type of evolved strike that was constructed from analyzing the spells and spiritual items appearing in the legends of knights from various cultures, putting them together, and condensing them much like a star that grew too large and gave birth to a black hole. It was Knight Leader’s enveloping attack that thoroughly investigated every type of attack that unilaterally attacked the enemy from a seemingly impossible range combined with fired small rust-like sword fragments.

William used only his right hand to swing up his large 3.5 meter sword and then reversed his wrist in order to put the back of the sword in front of him.

The blade glowed crimson.

Crimson indicated the axe.

The mercenary’s attack was fired in a straight line directly down and was not intended to repel the attacks flying in from all directions.

He was aiming for the ground.

With a loud impact, the solid earth below shook.

An area with a radius of 20 meters with William in the center sank deep down. This included where Knight Leader stood and the innumerable strikes he had fired sliced through the air above the head of the mercenary who had sunk down about 3 meters.

“Wha-…?”

Either because his sure-fire attack had missed or because his footing was unstable, Knight Leader’s movements dulled slightly.

It only lasted an instant.

However, William Orwell swung up the blade that was pointing straight down and used his bent over posture to its fullest by explosively stretching his tightened muscles in a charge towards Knight Leader.

The explosive sound of his footsteps came after a slight delay.

The already slipping ground was utterly destroyed.

Ascalon’s glow turned from red to blue. William reversed the double-edged sword with his wrist again in order to bring the thin and sharp razor-like section to the front. He then swung the sword horizontally right in front of Knight Leader so as to slice him in two.

It was as if he were nonverbally saying that Attack Range was no problem for him and that a trick like that would not determine the victor.

However…

“I do not recall saying that Attack Range is the only pattern I can use, you failed mercenary.”

There was no sound.

Knight Leader merely disappeared from before William’s eyes.

Even with his level of kinetic vision, he had been unable to keep up with the enemy’s movements.

“Movement Speed,” said a voice behind him.

Feeling approaching wind pressure, William stabbed his large sword back below his arm without turning around.

The sound of steel clashing with steel rang out.

Perhaps because of the posture he had attacked from, William felt a dull pain run through his wrist.

Ignoring it, the mercenary spun his entire body around.

The blade’s color changed from blue to green. He turned his wrist to turn the back of Ascalon’s blade to the front. He attacked Knight Leader who had gotten behind him with the can opener-like spike.

“Weapon Weight.”

He was met with an unexpected shock.

He was assaulted with a recoil even greater than when he had received the attack from an unstable position before. William’s body was thrown backwards like he had tried to stab a shovel into a boulder as hard as he could.

The mercenary’s feet slid along the black soil.

A mere 3 cm was all it took to prepare.

In that time, Knight Leader swung his dark red sword up above his head.

“Slicing Power.”

“!?”

With an eerie sound, William gave up on trying to block the attack.

He immediately jumped back to get some distance between them.

He avoided Knight Leaders’ blade by a few millimeters and the blade made contact with the black soil.

The solid earth was split open.

William had to hurriedly jump to the side so as not to be swallowed up by the rift.

And then…

“Attack Range.”

An unpleasant noise exploded out.

William Orwell’s side was lightly cut.

By creating that phenomenon, Knight Leader had proven what he had said.

He could use more than just Attack Range.

He also had Slicing Power that could cut through anything, Weapon Weight that created tremendous destructive force, and Movement Speed that made it so no one was able to catch up to him. Although they hadn’t been seen yet, he most likely also had Enduring Solidity that made the sword unable to be destroyed, Special Use that was necessary to slay particular monsters, and Precise Accuracy that automatically had him move toward the enemy’s vital points.

By condensing the legendary spiritual items and spells appearing in the Norse, Celtic, Charlemagnic, Germanic, and other warrior and knight cultures and then condensing them further, he had simplified them down into attack patterns. And by making them his own, he could freely use them as means of attack.

“You are going to die,” quietly reported the man holding the dark red “weapon” as he looked at the blood flowing from William.

What Knight Leader held was no longer Hrunting.

It wasn’t even a sword.

“I have seen all you have. As you are now, you cannot overcome my blade.”

It was merely a weapon.

It was a tool that should not have been created that annihilated all of its enemies whether they were man or monster.

Its strike was overwhelmingly sharp, overwhelmingly heavy, overwhelmingly fast, overwhelmingly tough, and overwhelmingly long, it held specialization to slice in two even monsters that could not be pierced by swords, and it even led its aim towards the enemy’s weak point that would cause the most damage.

Previously, Knight Leader had compared his attack to the explosion of a star.

While everything up to that point had been like a star with insufficient mass that instead became a neutron star or an interstellar cloud, that attack should perhaps be referred to as the ultimate black hole born from a star that grows too large.

Attack Range and Movement Speed did not allow it to be avoided, Slicing Power and Weapon Weight did not allow it to be blocked, and Enduring Solidity did not allow it to be destroyed.

If Knight Leader went all out, he could end the fight in the next strike.

William Orwell would definitely be sliced in two.

Knight Leader’s one weakness is that he can only perform one Pattern at a time. He than goes on to say Carissa can use the same Pattern Magic on an even greater scale than he demonstrated, using all techniques at once with each attack.

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“At one point in our battle, you were worried that I held the ultimate strike. That I could combine Slicing Power, Weapon Weight, Enduring Solidity, Movement Speed, Attack Range, Special Use, and Precise Accuracy into a sure-fire attack that could not be evaded, blocked, or counterattacked. But in reality, I cannot use all of those at once and can only use one pattern at a time.”

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Knight Leader stopped speaking for a second there.

Then, he seemed to have readied himself and continued.

“Second Princess Carissa can most likely pull off that strike using Curtana Original.”

“…”

“If you truly intend to defeat her, prepare yourself. You must not underestimate her by thinking there is a trick behind her strength or that you can turn around the situation by finding a weakness in her.”

“No matter who the enemy may be, what I must do does not change.”

There was not even an instant of hesitation before William’s response came.

So in short, much faster than a guy who blitzes FTL character and can buff her speed further to the level of being too fast for those who can initially keep up with her

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Thats dubious to really say but if we go by that, Carissa’s subordinate Knight Leader blitzed Kanzaki, as in he was literal blur to her with his movements, and Knight Leader admits hes still no match for Carissa.

No not really. They face much more powerful beings. Devils from hell who easily are quite above them in all stats, until they pull through it. Yami is currently quite faster than light, hence the ++++ there.

Thats dubious to really say but if we go by that, Carissa’s subordinate Knight Leader blitzed Kanzaki, as in he was literal blur to her with his movements, and Knight Leader admits hes still no match for Carissa.

Not to mention Knight Leader possessed a pretty broken power called Pattern Magic which gives him various buffs. One of them, Movement Speed, increases his speed to the point where even those who could keep up with him no longer couldn’t. (he did not uses Movement Speed against Kanzaki, in fact, he beat her without even drawing his sword which is needed to use Pattern Magic.)

Pattern Magic is basically Magic buffs to ones sword skills like Movement Speed increasing ones speed, Attack Range turning ones swing into long ranged attacks, Cutting power that increases ones cutting power well beyond the limit, etc.

Pattern Magic feats

Spoiler

Knight Leader’s face held a bitter expression as he swung his dark red sword around at a high speed.

Spoiler

He was using a pattern.

In the stories of Norse, Celtic, Charlemagnic, and Germanic warriors and knights, many legendary weapons were spoken of, but a certain pattern existed in all those weapons.

“I mastered the many paths of knighthood and thought I would compensate for each one’s weakness by unifying them, but it seems the more complicated the combination gets, you have to simplify it down to a single strike. I suppose it is similar to the demise of a star like the sun. When a star grows too large, it finally explodes and gives birth to a black hole. …It becomes a mere gravitational field. It becomes something that is theoretically simple but still produces a great power.”

It was a single strike born from combining all sorts of spells.

As such, magically interfering with it or cancelling it out was incredibly difficult. To find the solution, one had to head down every one of the paths Knight Leader had taken.

“However, this is not the kind of complete demise that turns the star into a black hole. There are many ways for a star to meet its demise. If the star’s mass is not at a certain level, it can apparently turn into other things such as a neutron star or an interstellar cloud. It seems my strike gained the characteristic of the sword due to this imperfection.”

Knight Leader’s slim fingertips tightly held his dark-red sword.

“Theoretically, this level of characteristic can be divided into a few categories instead of being lumped together in a single category. Simply put, there is the Slicing Power that can cut through anything, the Weapon Weight that creates tremendous destructive force, the Enduring Solidity that cannot be destroyed, and the Movement Speed that makes no one able to catch up to me. There is also Special Use, a rare pattern necessary to slay particular monsters, Precise Accuracy that automatically has me move toward the vital points, and the pattern I just used against you.”

“…The Attack Range, you mean?”

He had reanalyzed the laws behind the Norse Gungnir and Mjölnir, the Celtic Fragarach and Brionac, and other weapons, combined them, and then condensed them. His evolution had constructed completely new spells much like a black hole being created from the death of a star that grew too large.

Spoiler

“Let’s go,” said William Orwell quietly.

Spoiler

“Come,” Knight Leader quietly responded.

With a tremendous roar, Knight Leader’s long distance strikes attacked William from all directions.

It was the Attack Range type of evolved strike that was constructed from analyzing the spells and spiritual items appearing in the legends of knights from various cultures, putting them together, and condensing them much like a star that grew too large and gave birth to a black hole. It was Knight Leader’s enveloping attack that thoroughly investigated every type of attack that unilaterally attacked the enemy from a seemingly impossible range combined with fired small rust-like sword fragments.

William used only his right hand to swing up his large 3.5 meter sword and then reversed his wrist in order to put the back of the sword in front of him.

The blade glowed crimson.

Crimson indicated the axe.

The mercenary’s attack was fired in a straight line directly down and was not intended to repel the attacks flying in from all directions.

He was aiming for the ground.

With a loud impact, the solid earth below shook.

An area with a radius of 20 meters with William in the center sank deep down. This included where Knight Leader stood and the innumerable strikes he had fired sliced through the air above the head of the mercenary who had sunk down about 3 meters.

“Wha-…?”

Either because his sure-fire attack had missed or because his footing was unstable, Knight Leader’s movements dulled slightly.

It only lasted an instant.

However, William Orwell swung up the blade that was pointing straight down and used his bent over posture to its fullest by explosively stretching his tightened muscles in a charge towards Knight Leader.

The explosive sound of his footsteps came after a slight delay.

The already slipping ground was utterly destroyed.

Ascalon’s glow turned from red to blue. William reversed the double-edged sword with his wrist again in order to bring the thin and sharp razor-like section to the front. He then swung the sword horizontally right in front of Knight Leader so as to slice him in two.

It was as if he were nonverbally saying that Attack Range was no problem for him and that a trick like that would not determine the victor.

However…

“I do not recall saying that Attack Range is the only pattern I can use, you failed mercenary.”

There was no sound.

Knight Leader merely disappeared from before William’s eyes.

Even with his level of kinetic vision, he had been unable to keep up with the enemy’s movements.

“Movement Speed,” said a voice behind him.

Feeling approaching wind pressure, William stabbed his large sword back below his arm without turning around.

The sound of steel clashing with steel rang out.

Perhaps because of the posture he had attacked from, William felt a dull pain run through his wrist.

Ignoring it, the mercenary spun his entire body around.

The blade’s color changed from blue to green. He turned his wrist to turn the back of Ascalon’s blade to the front. He attacked Knight Leader who had gotten behind him with the can opener-like spike.

“Weapon Weight.”

He was met with an unexpected shock.

He was assaulted with a recoil even greater than when he had received the attack from an unstable position before. William’s body was thrown backwards like he had tried to stab a shovel into a boulder as hard as he could.

The mercenary’s feet slid along the black soil.

A mere 3 cm was all it took to prepare.

In that time, Knight Leader swung his dark red sword up above his head.

“Slicing Power.”

“!?”

With an eerie sound, William gave up on trying to block the attack.

He immediately jumped back to get some distance between them.

He avoided Knight Leaders’ blade by a few millimeters and the blade made contact with the black soil.

The solid earth was split open.

William had to hurriedly jump to the side so as not to be swallowed up by the rift.

And then…

“Attack Range.”

An unpleasant noise exploded out.

William Orwell’s side was lightly cut.

By creating that phenomenon, Knight Leader had proven what he had said.

He could use more than just Attack Range.

He also had Slicing Power that could cut through anything, Weapon Weight that created tremendous destructive force, and Movement Speed that made it so no one was able to catch up to him. Although they hadn’t been seen yet, he most likely also had Enduring Solidity that made the sword unable to be destroyed, Special Use that was necessary to slay particular monsters, and Precise Accuracy that automatically had him move toward the enemy’s vital points.

By condensing the legendary spiritual items and spells appearing in the Norse, Celtic, Charlemagnic, Germanic, and other warrior and knight cultures and then condensing them further, he had simplified them down into attack patterns. And by making them his own, he could freely use them as means of attack.

“You are going to die,” quietly reported the man holding the dark red “weapon” as he looked at the blood flowing from William.

What Knight Leader held was no longer Hrunting.

It wasn’t even a sword.

“I have seen all you have. As you are now, you cannot overcome my blade.”

It was merely a weapon.

It was a tool that should not have been created that annihilated all of its enemies whether they were man or monster.

Its strike was overwhelmingly sharp, overwhelmingly heavy, overwhelmingly fast, overwhelmingly tough, and overwhelmingly long, it held specialization to slice in two even monsters that could not be pierced by swords, and it even led its aim towards the enemy’s weak point that would cause the most damage.

Previously, Knight Leader had compared his attack to the explosion of a star.

While everything up to that point had been like a star with insufficient mass that instead became a neutron star or an interstellar cloud, that attack should perhaps be referred to as the ultimate black hole born from a star that grows too large.

Attack Range and Movement Speed did not allow it to be avoided, Slicing Power and Weapon Weight did not allow it to be blocked, and Enduring Solidity did not allow it to be destroyed.

If Knight Leader went all out, he could end the fight in the next strike.

William Orwell would definitely be sliced in two.

Knight Leader’s one weakness is that he can only perform one Pattern at a time. He than goes on to say Carissa can use the same Pattern Magic on an even greater scale than he demonstrated, using all techniques at once with each attack.

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“At one point in our battle, you were worried that I held the ultimate strike. That I could combine Slicing Power, Weapon Weight, Enduring Solidity, Movement Speed, Attack Range, Special Use, and Precise Accuracy into a sure-fire attack that could not be evaded, blocked, or counterattacked. But in reality, I cannot use all of those at once and can only use one pattern at a time.”

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Knight Leader stopped speaking for a second there.

Then, he seemed to have readied himself and continued.

“Second Princess Carissa can most likely pull off that strike using Curtana Original.”

“…”

“If you truly intend to defeat her, prepare yourself. You must not underestimate her by thinking there is a trick behind her strength or that you can turn around the situation by finding a weakness in her.”

“No matter who the enemy may be, what I must do does not change.”

There was not even an instant of hesitation before William’s response came.

So in short, much faster than a guy who blitzes FTL character and can buff her speed further to the level of being too fast for those who can initially keep up with her

That's basically reinforcement magic in Black Clover than any mage can do.

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And then they have a step beyond that called Mana zone

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Mana Zone is a skill that allows a mage to manipulate the mana in an area around themselves. Thus, the mage can gather together and utilize more magic than they would be able to normally

Offensively, this mana can be funneled into spells to increase their size, number, and range. It can also be used to launch attacks in any direction and from any direction within the zone. Spells can be created all-around a target to keep them from escaping within an enemy's spell to destroy it, or behind a target to catch them by surprise.

Defensively, the mana can be used to sharpen mana-detection and heighten reaction time, as well as to augment Mana Skin and other Reinforcement Magic spells, allowing for the prediction of enemies' attacks, as well as allowing the user to move and stand in mid-air.

If they are surrounded by hostile magic, mages can use Mana Zone to create a space of condensed and thickened mana that protects themselves and their allies.

 

[Seth]

Yami slaps. From a huge BC and Index fan.

Low Tiers from BC can battle anyone not named Accelerator and Gunha.

 

[Astaro]

No not really. They face much more powerful beings. Devils from hell who easily are quite above them in all stats, until they pull through it. Yami is currently quite faster than light, hence the ++++ there.



That's basically reinforcement magic in Black Clover than any mage can do.

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And then they have a step beyond that called Mana zone

Spoiler

Mana Zone is a skill that allows a mage to manipulate the mana in an area around themselves. Thus, the mage can gather together and utilize more magic than they would be able to normally

Offensively, this mana can be funneled into spells to increase their size, number, and range. It can also be used to launch attacks in any direction and from any direction within the zone. Spells can be created all-around a target to keep them from escaping within an enemy's spell to destroy it, or behind a target to catch them by surprise.

Defensively, the mana can be used to sharpen mana-detection and heighten reaction time, as well as to augment Mana Skin and other Reinforcement Magic spells, allowing for the prediction of enemies' attacks, as well as allowing the user to move and stand in mid-air.

If they are surrounded by hostile magic, mages can use Mana Zone to create a space of condensed and thickened mana that protects themselves and their allies.

Actually, Knight Leader says Pattern Magic is superior to his regular stat buffs with magic which he was reduced to using after losing his Telesma boosts

Anyway were arguing semantics with speed here. The things you posted with Yami aren’t even as good as the ones Kanzaki and Misaka’s feats given both we’re taking action at an even closer range and the most that can be said about Yami is that he’s some unquantifiable degree in faster than before. Same with Carissa using a similar scaling chain and Pattern Magic. Blitzing isn’t an option for Yami here

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Yami slaps. From a huge BC and Index fan.

Low Tiers from BC can battle anyone not named Accelerator and Gunha.

Which odd since Carissa beats Gunha easily

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Actually, Knight Leader says Pattern Magic is superior to his regular stat buffs with magic which he was reduced to using after losing his Telesma boosts

I am still getting that Mana Zone is superior to it.

Anyway were arguing semantics with speed here. The things you posted with Yami aren’t even as good as the ones Kanzaki and Misaka’s feats given both we’re taking action at an even closer range and the most that can be said about Yami is that he’s some unquantifiable degree in faster than before. Same with Carissa using a similar scaling chain and Pattern Magic. Blitzing isn’t an option for Yami here

Not really. I am just giving you an idea of what Yami early on was capable. We've established Yami is quite above FTL.

This is Yami's blitz attack that instantly kills, on Dante, a guy far and above Patri, the guy with the light magic above.

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Prior to this blitz Yami was fighting him in CQC without many issues.

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In the last scan you can see Yami saying that Dante is fast. This is a Yami much superior to his start of series self, aka the Yami that was easily dueling FTL+ Patri. So Dante is much much faster.

Yami has to use mana zone + ki + his improved speed and stats to be able to keep up with Dante, meaning Dante's speed is far above Patri's

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However with his Death Thrust and Dark Cloaked Iai slash Yami is able to blitz him.

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So we've established that Yami has attacks that can blitz FTL+++ chars.



Now Yami gets even stronger. He's able to keep up and land attacks on the King of Devils. Someone whose magic and raw physical skills are off the chart. Dante is an ant in comparison to him.

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This guy was casually blitzing multiple Captain level people plus Mereoleona who's above that level. These are all FTL+++ Characters

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And Yami could keep up with him at times and intercept his punches and so.

Which odd since Carissa beats Gunha easily

@Seth


Your post was merged so no notification.​

 

[Astaro]

I am still getting that Mana Zone is superior to it.



Not really. I am just giving you an idea of what Yami early on was capable. We've established Yami is quite above FTL.

This is Yami's blitz attack that instantly kills, on Dante, a guy far and above Patri, the guy with the light magic above.

Spoiler

Prior to this blitz Yami was fighting him in CQC without many issues.

Spoiler

In the last scan you can see Yami saying that Dante is fast. This is a Yami much superior to his start of series self, aka the Yami that was easily dueling FTL+ Patri. So Dante is much much faster.

Yami has to use mana zone + ki + his improved speed and stats to be able to keep up with Dante, meaning Dante's speed is far above Patri's

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However with his Death Thrust and Dark Cloaked Iai slash Yami is able to blitz him.

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So we've established that Yami has attacks that can blitz FTL+++ chars.



Now Yami gets even stronger. He's able to keep up and land attacks on the King of Devils. Someone whose magic and raw physical skills are off the chart. Dante is an ant in comparison to him.

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This guy was casually blitzing multiple Captain level people plus Mereoleona who's above that level. These are all FTL+++ Characters

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And Yami could keep up with him at times and intercept his punches and so.




@Seth


Your post was merged so no notification.​

And again, all I’m getting is Yami being some unquantifiable degree above his early feats off very basic ABC logic.

Carissa using Pattern Magic > Carissa > Knight Leader > Kanzaki who starts out with a better FTL+ speed feat than the scans of Yami posted.

Based on the above chain, Carissa is also FTL+++ to ++++

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

And again, all I’m getting is Yami being some unquantifiable degree above his early feats off very basic ABC logic.

Carissa using Pattern Magic > Carissa > Knight Leader > Kanzaki who starts out with a better FTL+ speed feat than the scans of Yami posted.

Based on the above chain, Carissa is also FTL+++ to ++++

It's literally just scaling. Lucifero>>>>>Dante>>>Patri, in legit everything. So in order to be able to keep up with Lucifero, which Yami does, he needs to be multiple multiple levels above his start of the series self. He constantly goes over his limits and becomes stronger that way. Stronger as in improving all his stats. Akin to Garou from OPM.

Agree to disagree I guess.


I still have Yami winning here.

 

[Astaro]

It's literally just scaling. Lucifero>>>>>Dante>>>Patri, in legit everything. So in order to be able to keep up with Lucifero, which Yami does, he needs to be multiple multiple levels above his start of the series self. He constantly goes over his limits and becomes stronger that way. Stronger as in improving all his stats. Akin to Garou from OPM.

Agree to disagree I guess.


I still have Yami winning here.

I’m technically agreeing with you by applying that logic to Carissa here which still keeps things more or less even when it comes to speed

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

I’m technically agreeing with you by applying that logic to Carissa here which still keeps things more or less even when it comes to speed

That's fine then. It was an interesting debate. I am curious to hear @Seth's thoughts on this, since I know he's knowledgeable about BC and seems he's into Index too.


Do tag me in your threads in the future. I'll reply whenever I know the manga/series/etc.