Powers & Abilities Cutting Fire is just Ryou CONFIRMED?

Is everything swordsmen do going to be Advanced Armament?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 25.0%

  • No

    Votes: 15 75.0%
  • Total voters
    20
ImmaIvanoM

ImmaIvanoM

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#1
I mean the same slash that cut the boro breath is the same one that Cut Kaido.

Kaido can only be cut with Ryou.

Meaning the slash that cut the Boro breath is Ryou.

Is everything Swordsmen do in One piece just Advanced Armament? Yes. Yes it is.

Get ready for T-bone's air slashes that change direction mid-air and Zoro's Ashura to be Advanced Armament haki.

I'm not joking, T-bone basically has limited telekinetic ability on his Air slashes and just wait for that to be ANOTHER advanced armament technique.
 
ImmaIvanoM

ImmaIvanoM

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#6
#6
Sentinel said:
Well, Zoro was interested in learning to cut fire despite his superior Ryuo.
I do think that Kinemon's fire cutting ability is linked to Ryuo but that doesn't mean every Ryuo user is automatically able to cut fire either.
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Does Zoro have superior Ryou? Like in Pink hazard, did Zoro have superior Ryou in punk hazard?

I mean Zoro could have had superior haki like how Luffy has superior haki and yet they do not have superior Ryou.

Ryou seems to be entirely technique based. Yes not every Ryou user knows The Foxfire style. But that's only because they never specialised in it

Its like in real life, all martial artists TECHNICALLY can learn whichever martial art they want. But they end up choosing only a few to specialise in.

I don't think any Other scabbards know the Fox fire style but that's just because they never focused to learn it. In the end, it's all just ryou
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trav said:
says who?
Kaidos scales can only be bypassed by ryou. or something like that.
nothing ever said that Kaido can not be harmed by getting stabbed in the eyesocket or mouth. no scales there.
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@trav
Wasn't Kaido's face Tanking Luffy's Kong Organ?

Like have you seem what a punch in the face does to your eye?

Since Kaido's eye survived Kong organ, we should just take it as the man is invincible all through.
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ShinmenTakezo said:
swordsman technique
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@ShinmenTakezo
What specifically separates Swordsman techniques from Haki technique in this case?

Like for Zoro a swordsman technique is separated by body stances and body movement. Shishi sonson is different 36 pound canon first from the Stance Zoro takes then his movement.

So what exactly is making Kin'emon cut fire and that's a swordsman technique.

Is there a stance specific for fire cutting and then Kin'emon added Haki to the stance?

What is happening here specifically according to your own statement?
 
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trav

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#7
ImmaIvanoM said:
Wasn't Kaido's face Tanking Luffy's Kong Organ?
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Luffy was not punching Kaido inside of his mouth.
ImmaIvanoM said:
Like have you seem what a punch in the face does to your eye?
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not quite the same. even a regular human can "tank" a punch to the eye socket without serious damage. a pencil into the eye is another matter.
anyways. if Kaido was invincible all through (meaning: all of his tissue) then what point is there to bypass his scales?
ImmaIvanoM said:
Since Kaido's eye survived Kong organ, we should just take it as the man is invincible all through.
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we should not.
 
ImmaIvanoM

ImmaIvanoM

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#8
#8
trav said:
Luffy was not punching Kaido inside of his mouth.

not quite the same. even a regular human can "tank" a punch to the eye socket without serious damage. a pencil into the eye is another matter.
anyways. if Kaido was invincible all through (meaning: all of his tissue) then what point is there to bypass his scales?

we should not.
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Kin'emon didn't just cut Inside Kaido's mouth. The cut clearly starts from the lip area and spread out.

It includes his face. The face with scales on it

Also you are assuming all those people who broke their spears on Kaido's skin didn't just try his spearing his eyeball to poke his brain directly. They just forgot to do that
 
T.D.A

T.D.A

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#9
#9
ImmaIvanoM said:
I mean the same slash that cut the boro breath is the same one that Cut Kaido.

Kaido can only be cut with Ryou.

Meaning the slash that cut the Boro breath is Ryou.

Is everything Swordsmen do in One piece just Advanced Armament? Yes. Yes it is.

Get ready for T-bone's air slashes that change direction mid-air and Zoro's Ashura to be Advanced Armament haki.

I'm not joking, T-bone basically has limited telekinetic ability on his Air slashes and just wait for that to be ANOTHER advanced armament technique.
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Sword + haki cuts Kaido

Luffy needed to learn a new technique because he didn't have the penetrative ability of swordsmen.
 
ShinmenTakezo

ShinmenTakezo

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#11
#11
ImmaIvanoM said:
Does Zoro have superior Ryou? Like in Pink hazard, did Zoro have superior Ryou in punk hazard?

I mean Zoro could have had superior haki like how Luffy has superior haki and yet they do not have superior Ryou.

Ryou seems to be entirely technique based. Yes not every Ryou user knows The Foxfire style. But that's only because they never specialised in it

Its like in real life, all martial artists TECHNICALLY can learn whichever martial art they want. But they end up choosing only a few to specialise in.

I don't think any Other scabbards know the Fox fire style but that's just because they never focused to learn it. In the end, it's all just ryou
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@trav
Wasn't Kaido's face Tanking Luffy's Kong Organ?

Like have you seem what a punch in the face does to your eye?

Since Kaido's eye survived Kong organ, we should just take it as the man is invincible all through.
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@ShinmenTakezo
What specifically separates Swordsman techniques from Haki technique in this case?

Like for Zoro a swordsman technique is separated by body stances and body movement. Shishi sonson is different 36 pound canon first from the Stance Zoro takes then his movement.

So what exactly is making Kin'emon cut fire and that's a swordsman technique.

Is there a stance specific for fire cutting and then Kin'emon added Haki to the stance?

What is happening here specifically according to your own statement?
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No idea, but this stuff has existed with others without any explanation, and to retroactively connect them all to Haki seems too lenient in regards to Oda´s failings to explain certain abilities.
We have people bursting into flames out of nowhere (Sanji), Zoro´s wounds getting ignited (Ryouma), Fossa using a fire blade out of nowhere and so forth. There is a whole kenjutsu/swordsmanship martial art basement to all this, which Oda simply has not developed enough, but techniques being able to intertwine with elements without the involvement of Haki has been a thing, including fishman karate, which is not restricted to fishmen actually (Koala), but uses certain techniques to interact with the water in the atmosphere and the body of opponents.
 
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trav

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ImmaIvanoM said:
all those people who broke their spears on Kaido's skin didn't just try his spearing his eyeball
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idk what anyone tried after their attempts to cut him failed and I do not really care.
Kin cut Kaido in a vulnerable spot.
check the panels again. its just the inside of his mouth that is bleeding. the blood sprays from inside over his lips. there is no visible damage to any part of his face. not even the lips.
 
ImmaIvanoM

ImmaIvanoM

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#15
ShinmenTakezo said:
No idea, but this stuff has existed with others without any explanation, and to retroactively connect them all to Haki seems too lenient in regards to Oda´s failings to explain certain abilities.
We have people bursting into flames out of nowhere (Sanji), Zoro´s wounds getting ignited (Ryouma), Fossa using a fire blade out of nowhere and so forth. There is a whole kenjutsu/swordsmanship martial art basement to all this, which Oda simply has not developed enough, but techniques being able to intertwine with elements without the involvement of Haki has been a thing, including fishman karate, which is not restricted to fishmen actually (Koala), but uses certain techniques to interact with the water in the atmosphere and the body of opponents.
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Isn't Zoro learning to cut steel the same?

Isn't that an element thing? Learning to cut hard elements.

Why is Learning to cut steel Hard elements Haki, because it's been explained to be Haki. But learning to cut intangible elements is definitely NOT haki
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trav said:
idk what anyone tried after their attempts to cut him failed and I do not really care.
Kin cut Kaido in a vulnerable spot.
check the panels again. its just the inside of his mouth that is bleeding. the blood sprays from inside over his lips. there is no visible damage to any part of his face. not even the lips.
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@trav
So you're saying that Kin'emon cannot cut Kaido with a range attack on his actual skin? Is that it?
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T.D.A said:
Still applying haki to the sword
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@T.D.A

I thought you said the physical sword is what transfers Haki into the opponent. And that's what separates swordsmen from luffy.

If Kin'emon can send Haki through the air and cut Kaido, what's the exact difference between that and Luffy who can also send Haki through air and blow up Kaido
 
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ShinmenTakezo

ShinmenTakezo

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ImmaIvanoM said:
Isn't Zoro learning to cut steel the same?

Isn't that an element thing? Learning to cut hard elements.

Why is Learning to cut steel Hard elements Haki, because it's been explained to be Haki. But learning to cut intangible elements is definitely NOT haki
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@trav
So you're saying that Kin'emon cannot cut Kaido with a range attack on his actual skin? Is that it?
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@T.D.A

I thought you said the physical sword is what transfers Haki into the opponent. And that's what separates swordsmen from luffy.

If Kin'emon can send Haki through the air and cut Kaido, what's the exact difference between that and Luffy who can also send Haki through air and blow up Kaido
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It´s not the same. Zoro cutting steel has nothing to do with the element itself but an attribute of said element (rather material, steel is not an element), meaning hardness. It is not steel specific but a simple threshold he had to overcome in terms of cutting said hardness.
Kinemon can cut fire, can create fire (you seem to have forgotten that) which has not even once been connected with Haki.
Like i said, it´s the same inexplicable ability like Sanji creating fire out of nowhere (without hte powers his brothers have for example), Oda does this some times.

And also, do not try to turn this around. I simply go by what the story has suggested and has shown so far.
You were the one who, with certainty, proclaimed cutting fire is Ryuo, another word for Haki, and there is nothing that suggests that currently, sword skill can exist even outside of Haki, even if Haki itself is a big part of advanced swordsmanship.
 
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