So you have a panel stating Zoro needed Enma to cut Kaido? He said he would need to release more of Enma's power, but he didn't even use Haki at all before making that statement. Meaning, Zoro was strongly holding back with Enma for Enma not to draw out too much Haki.
But then again, how is that proof pre Enma Zoro can't cut Kaido? You still haven't explained how Kinemon and Kiku can do it, but Zoro post TS could not, when he unlocked Ryuo early pre TS and had 2 years to hone that ability with the world's most powerful swordsman himself.
So you have a panel stating Zoro needed Enma to cut Kaido? He said he would need to release more of Enma's power, but he didn't even use Haki at all before making that statement. Meaning, Zoro was strongly holding back with Enma for Enma not to draw out too much Haki.
But then again, how is that proof pre Enma Zoro can't cut Kaido? You still haven't explained how Kinemon and Kiku can do it, but Zoro post TS could not, when he unlocked Ryuo early pre TS and had 2 years to hone that ability with the world's most powerful swordsman himself.
They make it sound like Enma is a magic sword. It's still a O Wazamono. Maybe exceptional for its rank, but still in the same rank as Shusui and Wado. And it's not the only sword with a powerful soul. Tengu said that the Kitetsu lineage is similar as they cannot be wielded by the weak.
It is Zoro's power that tames Enma, it is Zoro's Ryuo used by Enma, just in mor excessive amounts if Zoro doesn't restrain himself.
And unless someone thinks that Kinemon and Kiku > Zoro after training 2 years with the WSS and honing his Ryuo, after already unlocking it pre TS which indicates a strong affinity and talent in the first place, I don't know what we are debating here? @Albino 👑 are you saying that 2 years training with the WSS left Zoro lacking behind Kinemon..? That dude copied Kinemon's fox fire style just after witnessing it; that's the level of talent Zoro has. Yet as someone who has unlocked Ryuo pre TS and training with the WSS for 2 years, won't achieve what Kinemon can?
I think he acknowledged some of his potential but he wasn't capable to probably scar him due to obvious reasons and that version of Zoro was weaker than the Current one
So you have a panel stating Zoro needed Enma to cut Kaido? He said he would need to release more of Enma's power, but he didn't even use Haki at all before making that statement. Meaning, Zoro was strongly holding back with Enma for Enma not to draw out too much Haki.
But then again, how is that proof pre Enma Zoro can't cut Kaido? You still haven't explained how Kinemon and Kiku can do it, but Zoro post TS could not, when he unlocked Ryuo early pre TS and had 2 years to hone that ability with the world's most powerful swordsman himself.
Zoro first gets enma with it trying to suck out all of his haki
Zoro stops it from doing so stating how much stronger he'll get when hes used to it
Zoro trains with enma before the raid
Zoro is freely capable of using his haki after the training without enma reacting negatively. Even using it against sanji in a joke
Zoro is in onigashima fighting hella people still no problem
Zoro fights apoo with drake using haki attacks against him multiple times. With his swords even being black
Zoro sees luffy hurt kaido with the haki he was training. Likely meaning zoro was given at least some information by someone about either kaido or why luffy was specifically training his armament
Zoro goes up to the roof and uses onigiri on kaido with the attack not cutting stating he needs to use more of enma specifically
Not more of wado
Not more of sandai
Not just he needs to start using haki because he forgot
Zoro uses haki on enma to block an air slash. Showing hes perfectly capable of using haki and enma again
Zoro tries to use flying dragon blaze this time enma being surrounded by a deep dark aura
Linlin calls out the sword for being special
Kaido calls it out for how weird it is that it bears the presence of oden in it
Zoro uses tatsumaki with haki and again enma is surrounded by a dark aura. This time it actually landing
Kaido calls out the sword again for being the source of the strange haki
Kaido says it must be odens after it cut him
The same dark aura didn't appear when he used the same attack against king. With the latter one being noticable smaller
Zoro for his last stand against kaido puts in all the haki he can into enma with aura again. Trying to finish him off with his strongest attack asura. Finally being able to scar kaido
Zoro goes back down to the main floor and as soon as he starts fighting king he starts using haki and enma perfectly fine
Zoro uses tatsumaki again no aura around enms and its smaller
Either after hearing hiyori music and/or zoro getting his shit kicked in enma starts to test zoro. Doing the same thing it did when zoro first held it but this time doing it on and off + not stopping when zoro tries to stop it
Zoro realizes what enma is doing and lets it take as much haki as it wants. Leading zoro to unlock king of hell aka enma mode
Stating how oden was able to casually do so
Stating if he kept it up for too long enma specifically as in the sword will kill him
King of hell being the nickname kozaburo gave enma
Zoro stats again that he cant use koh mode long because enma the sword the thing he named the mode after will kill him. Again if he used it too long enma could kill him
@Albino 👑 your point? Are you stating that post TS Shusui Zoro cannot cut Kaido while Kinemon and Kiku can? I need an explicit answer right now. Zoro, who has a strong Ryuo affinity, as proven when he used it in the early pre TS and had 2 years with the WSS to hone that ability, cannot accomplish what Kinemon and Kiku can?
@Albino 👑 your point? Are you stating that post TS Shusui Zoro cannot cut Kaido while Kinemon and Kiku can? I need an explicit answer right now. Zoro, who has a strong Ryuo affinity, as proven when he used it in the early pre TS and had 2 years with the WSS to hone that ability, cannot accomplish what Kinemon and Kiku can?
He needed enma to do so no
Zoro before he got enma couldn't cut kaido
Zoro explicitly said he needed to use that specific sword more after he failed to cut kaido
After being able to perfectly use haki ever since he got to onigashima and after seeing how luffy hurt kaido and after being told about luffy needing to train his armament in order to hurt kaido
Enma's unique property is that it FORCEFULLY exudes the wielder's ryuo when unrestrained. Doesn't change the fact that zoro can equally apply adv CoC and his KoH ryuo on all his swords
He needed enma to do so no
Zoro before he got enma couldn't cut kaido
Zoro explicitly said he needed to use that specific sword more after he failed to cut kaido
After being able to perfectly use haki ever since he got to onigashima and after seeing how luffy hurt kaido and after being told about luffy needing to train his armament in order to hurt kaido
We know that Enma's Ryuo absorbing ability affects other swords too, hence in King of Hell, all 3 of Zoro's swords were coated in the process, and hence it was said that Enma was the only blade to scar Kaido despite Oden using both swords.
So restraining his Ryuo for Enma meant he was restraining his Ryuo overall for all blades.
There is no other way around it; Zoro is a confirmed Ryuo user and does so at high level. Shusui Zoro will cut Kaido.
Enma's unique property is that it FORCEFULLY exudes the wielder's ryuo when unrestrained. Doesn't change the fact that zoro can equally apply adv CoC and his KoH ryuo on all his swords
We know that Enma's Ryuo absorbing ability affects other swords too, hence in King of Hell, all 3 of Zoro's swords were coated in the process, and hence it was said that Enma was the only blade to scar Kaido despite Oden using both swords.
So restraining his Ryuo for Enma meant he was restraining his Ryuo overall for all blades.
There is no other way around it; Zoro is a confirmed Ryuo user and does so at high level. Shusui Zoro will cut Kaido.
you are free to translate the prev page
I interpreted the last
that will be enough for you --> TLDR TIME TO BOUNCE .
zoro in 4 attempts still wouldnt win as I have previously stated
he went down and found his level in king
you make a deal of luffy getting sent down but oddly enough he is the only one kaido recognized could go toe to toe with him from the onset of the battle alongside people like oden so really I couldnt care less.
Zoro first gets enma with it trying to suck out all of his haki
Zoro stops it from doing so stating how much stronger he'll get when hes used to it
Zoro trains with enma before the raid
Zoro is freely capable of using his haki after the training without enma reacting negatively. Even using it against sanji in a joke
Zoro is in onigashima fighting hella people still no problem
Zoro fights apoo with drake using haki attacks against him multiple times. With his swords even being black
Zoro sees luffy hurt kaido with the haki he was training. Likely meaning zoro was given at least some information by someone about either kaido or why luffy was specifically training his armament
Zoro goes up to the roof and uses onigiri on kaido with the attack not cutting stating he needs to use more of enma specifically
Not more of wado
Not more of sandai
Not just he needs to start using haki because he forgot
Zoro uses haki on enma to block an air slash. Showing hes perfectly capable of using haki and enma again
Zoro tries to use flying dragon blaze this time enma being surrounded by a deep dark aura
Linlin calls out the sword for being special
Kaido calls it out for how weird it is that it bears the presence of oden in it
Zoro uses tatsumaki with haki and again enma is surrounded by a dark aura. This time it actually landing
Kaido calls out the sword again for being the source of the strange haki
Kaido says it must be odens after it cut him
The same dark aura didn't appear when he used the same attack against king. With the latter one being noticable smaller
Zoro for his last stand against kaido puts in all the haki he can into enma with aura again. Trying to finish him off with his strongest attack asura. Finally being able to scar kaido
Zoro goes back down to the main floor and as soon as he starts fighting king he starts using haki and enma perfectly fine
Zoro uses tatsumaki again no aura around enms and its smaller
Either after hearing hiyori music and/or zoro getting his shit kicked in enma starts to test zoro. Doing the same thing it did when zoro first held it but this time doing it on and off + not stopping when zoro tries to stop it
Zoro realizes what enma is doing and lets it take as much haki as it wants. Leading zoro to unlock king of hell aka enma mode
Stating how oden was able to casually do so
Stating if he kept it up for too long enma specifically as in the sword will kill him
King of hell being the nickname kozaburo gave enma
Zoro stats again that he cant use koh mode long because enma the sword the thing he named the mode after will kill him. Again if he used it too long enma could kill him
I don't think Zoro needs to be acknowledged by Kaido. The Monster Samurai statement referred to someone who could/can kill Kaido. It's more poetic if it's another Samurai, the same warriors Kaido has been dishonoring all arc. It's more important for Zoro to finish off Kaido and for us to learn of his origins that tie him to Wano more closely than for Kaido to compliment him. If anything, the people of Wano should recognize Zoro moreso. He started the arc as a wanted criminal, so he should be recognized as a savior if it's suppose to come full circle.
He needed enma to do so no
Zoro before he got enma couldn't cut kaido
Zoro explicitly said he needed to use that specific sword more after he failed to cut kaido
After being able to perfectly use haki ever since he got to onigashima and after seeing how luffy hurt kaido and after being told about luffy needing to train his armament in order to hurt kaido
Don't get why Zoro fans are going back and forth with folks who suffer from low comprehension. The fact is Zoro with Shisui would have done the same thing he did via Enma. With AdCoC + Shisui he's killing Kaido no doubt
They bring up Kaido mentioning Odens ryuo, which gets debunked by a swordsmith that tells us what Enma does exactly
They bring up big mom and her shtick about Enma, which literally gets debunked by the guy that made the damn sword to begin with
They say Zoro doesn't have ryuo pre-enma, but the explanation for how to use ryuo is the same explanation we got vs Daz bones
These people will always stick to their retarded ass takes when it comes to Zoro. Ignore them like you would a crackhead on the road :cheers:
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