General & Others Do the the Strawhats feel out of place to anyone else?

[Midnight Delight]

Anyone else feels that the Strawhats outside of Luffy feel out of place in The Post Timeskip arcs? Well not all and not all of the time but I can't help but feel this way about them compared to how they were before

Before the conflict felt personal for most of the Strawhats , they felt involved in the plot and what's going on

Ever since Punk Hazard it felt like they didn't really care about what's going on or the War against Kaido and Doflamingo , they were just doing it because Luffy wants to take down a Yonko , it might be because Oda was too busy focusing on other Characters such as the Supernovas but it's hard to even care about them anymore since they feel like NPCs doing what the plot demands instead of characters with their own motivation

 

[Eustass]

Anyone else feels that the Strawhats outside of Luffy feel out of place in The Post Timeskip arcs? Well not all and not all of the time but I can't help but feel this way about them compared to how they were before

Before the conflict felt personal for most of the Strawhats , they felt involved in the plot and what's going on

Ever since Punk Hazard it felt like they didn't really care about what's going on or the War against Kaido and Doflamingo , they were just doing it because Luffy wants to take down a Yonko , it might be because Oda was too busy focusing on other Characters such as the Supernovas but it's hard to even care about them anymore since they feel like NPCs doing what the plot demands instead of characters with their own motivation

I do agree for the major part it seems like that.

 

[Chrono]

I do agree that the personal relationships between side characters and SHs hasnt been good this arc compared to others. Probably cause we wasted so much time in Udon and Oden flashback.

But the SHs do know the history of Oden and do know what theyre fighting for.

 

[Natalija]

I do agree that the personal relationships between side characters and SHs hasnt been good this arc compared to others. Probably cause we wasted so much time in Udon and Oden flashback.

But the SHs do know the history of Oden and do know what theyre fighting for.

This scene kinda bothered me, I didn't feel emotionally involved with it at all, yet they were so shocked and/or crying. Luffy seemed more bothered hearing about Oden than hearing about Ace.

 

[KiriNigiri]

Anyone else feels that the Strawhats outside of Luffy feel out of place in The Post Timeskip arcs? Well not all and not all of the time but I can't help but feel this way about them compared to how they were before

Before the conflict felt personal for most of the Strawhats , they felt involved in the plot and what's going on

Ever since Punk Hazard it felt like they didn't really care about what's going on or the War against Kaido and Doflamingo , they were just doing it because Luffy wants to take down a Yonko , it might be because Oda was too busy focusing on other Characters such as the Supernovas but it's hard to even care about them anymore since they feel like NPCs doing what the plot demands instead of characters with their own motivation

Well, there was WCI which personally involved most of the Strawhats there. Sanji was at the center of the drama, while Nami initiated the need for them to go to WCI to retrieve Sanji. And then there was Brook, who stared down a Yonko for Sanji's sake.

And while it's just two members, Luffy and Zoro are both personally invested in winning the War on Wano.

 

[Chrono]

This scene kinda bothered me, I didn't feel emotionally involved with it at all, yet they were so shocked and/or crying. Luffy seemed more bothered hearing about Oden than hearing about Ace.

I do agree its forced. But most things are forced in OP lol.

I think Luffy was just overconfident in Ace. Same thing with Sanji. He needs to be warned till he starts worrying.

 

[Natalija]

I do agree its forced. But most things are forced in OP lol.

I think Luffy was just overconfident in Ace. Same thing with Sanji. He needs to be warned till he starts worrying.

Nonono, you misunderstood me. He looked less shaken about hearing his brother cared about a little girl in Wano than Oden who is dead forever. Call me crazy, but shouldn't stories about his brother upset him more :')

 

[Chrono]

Nonono, you misunderstood me. He looked less shaken about hearing his brother cared about a little girl in Wano than Oden who is dead forever. Call me crazy, but shouldn't stories about his brother upset him more :')

Yh you've got a point. Oda really is inconsistent with his characters....

 

[Midnight Delight]

Sanji making those faces feel WAY too out of character

 

[Gensui Sazid]

Nonono, you misunderstood me. He looked less shaken about hearing his brother cared about a little girl in Wano than Oden who is dead forever. Call me crazy, but shouldn't stories about his brother upset him more :')

i think that is bcuz Oda tried too hard trying to sell Oden as this awesome dude who is the greatest creation of god, mere mortals like WB/Roger was lucky to just have his presense in their life. even b4 we got formally introduced to the guy, Oda hammered us the point that "Oden is the best. Nobody can dislike him. now bask in his eternal glory". but when i read the flashbacks no char felt as pushed upon us as Oden. his fb didnt also felt awesome either. its pretty telling that best part of his fb isnt about him, its the interaction between Roger/WB.
Unfortunately Oda went full on "Muh country" on this one.

 

[Natalija]

i think that is bcuz Oda tried too hard trying to sell Oden as this awesome dude who is the greatest creation of god, mere mortals like WB/Roger was lucky to just have his presense in their life. even b4 we got formally introduced to the guy, Oda hammered us the point that "Oden is the best. Nobody can dislike him. now bask in his eternal glory". but when i read the flashbacks no char felt as pushed upon us as Oden. his fb didnt also felt awesome either. its pretty telling that best part of his fb isnt about him, its the interaction between Roger/WB.
Unfortunately Oda went full on "Muh country" on this one.

Yeah, Oden feels like a huge mistake, and a forced one at that. Usually Oda is great at creating interest towards someone new, not sure what exactly happened here.

I loved the concept of travelling through time and trying to liberate their country, and Oden would be fine even if he wasn't so... Forced. Seeing the Straw Hats cry over it made it seem ridiculous.

 

[Paperchampion23]

I do agree that the personal relationships between side characters and SHs hasnt been good this arc compared to others. Probably cause we wasted so much time in Udon and Oden flashback.

But the SHs do know the history of Oden and do know what theyre fighting for.

I agree with this, but I think the problem, at least from the readers perspective, is a few things:

- The crew being split for nearly 8 years did not help both half's of the crew from feeling "disconnected" to major plot points. Clearly Nami didn't give a fuck about poor Rebecca or the horrible shit happening at DR, while Usopp wasn't around to be emotionally invested in Whole Cake Island.

- Arcs are LONG. There are plenty of moments where the Strawhats have been emotional to arc issues, but some arcs are 2-3 years long. People forget how Strawhats initially felt at the beginning or middle of the arc.


I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing if you are binge reading the series, but reading this weekly can be a detracting factor.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

It's just that Oda is garbage at developing characters

 

[Gensui Sazid]

It's just that Oda is garbage at developing characters

hey now. lets not state fax.
u might hurt someone's feelings

 

[Jew D. Boy]

I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again - it seems like Oda has reduced the Straw Hats to their most basic traits since the timeskip. They’re all incredibly rich and complex characters who’ve been increasingly shunted to the sidelines; hell, we had two major arcs in the last ten years where half the crew was missing each time. The author clearly loves introducing wacky new secondary and tertiary characters, but the overabundance of them in a story he’s been telling for 20-something years is taking a toll on the way his primary protagonists are portrayed.

 

[MonsterZoro]

we just don't see them enough post time skip thats where oda went wrong. Pre-ts it was all about the adventure spending time together and splitting up but post ts they spend like 1 chapter transinition on the ship then split up instantly once they enter a new arc..

 

[Gensui Sazid]

I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again - it seems like Oda has reduced the Straw Hats to their most basic traits since the timeskip. They’re all incredibly rich and complex characters who’ve been increasingly shunted to the sidelines; hell, we had two major arcs in the last ten years where half the crew was missing each time. The author clearly loves introducing wacky new secondary and tertiary characters, but the overabundance of them in a story he’s been telling for 20-something years is taking a toll on the way his primary protagonists are portrayed.

pretty much this. every strawhat is now defined by the 1 gimmick whereas upon introduction those gimmicks was just part of their larger character. it was just one aspect of it. now we can describe a strawhats by their gimmick. no more additional info needed.
Zoro: One liner directionally challenged edgy swordsman who is badass for the sake of being badass
Ussop: coward Liar
Sanji: Damsel in distress, hypetool of NW, thinks with his D
Nami: Coward thief and fan service
Chopper: Mascot
Robin: she is just there for fanservice and has been a background char for ages
Franky:x100
Brook: skull joke
Jinbe: Soon To Be ^^

i am not that good with words but i am sure someone can perfectly give example of current state of SHs.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

pretty much this. every strawhat is now defined by the 1 gimmick whereas upon introduction those gimmicks was just part of their larger character. it was just one aspect of it. now we can describe a strawhats by their gimmick. no more additional info needed.
Zoro: One liner directionally challenged edgy swordsman who is badass for the sake of being badass
Ussop: coward Liar
Sanji: Damsel in distress, hypetool of NW, thinks with his D
Nami: Coward thief and fan service
Chopper: Mascot
Robin: she is just there for fanservice and has been a background char for ages
Franky:x100
Brook: skull joke
Jinbe: Soon To Be ^^

i am not that good with words but i am sure someone can perfectly give example of current state of SHs.

Think you did a fine job with those words, and who needs specific examples? Anyone who’s followed the series for more than a little while can see a clear through line where the Straw Hats go from the main source of the action to mainly reacting to the same. I’m enjoying the Wano arc thus far, mostly for the fact that it’s the first time in six or seven years where they’re all present and accounted for...that such a small thing, which was always a given pre-timeskip, is noteworthy tells you everything you need to know.

 

[Gensui Sazid]

we just don't see them enough post time skip thats where oda went wrong. Pre-ts it was all about the adventure spending time together and splitting up but post ts they spend like 1 chapter transinition on the ship then split up instantly once they enter a new arc..

exactly we dont see them as much we used to. lets say a starwhats had 100 panels each arc. 30% action + 30%gag + 30%char interaction +10% other stuffs. now we have 40 panels for each. so Oda has to shove all of the 4 elements in this 40 panels. i think its safe to say we prefer char interaction and action more than the gag. but unfortunately Oda decided to go with gag 1st then other things.

look at the recent chap, we havent seen much from Sanji when we see the LKZ hogging spotlight. so when Oda decided to show Team Sanji what did he focus on? fkn gag again. if it was ES i would be fine with it as we also had similar scene Khalifa. but at that time we had like only 20 player in that arc. now we have too many and even if everyone gets 1 panels its gonna be 60 something panels b4 this person gets his turn again. so Whereas Oda could use this scene as "Sanji Goes back to being Mr. Prince" he thought it would be better to show that same gag he has been doing forever. .

TLDR: we have limited panels time for each char. Oda has to decide which scene to show and focus and what NOT to focus. this will also keep arc in manageable size and wont feel too draggy. and we will have quality panels over quantity. we didnt need 100yrs of everyone and their mother shouting Luffy in Dressrosa(Hacky cool down). BM cake chase could also be reduced too. this would save BM and BMP from their humiliation. we also could cut down on Udon SUMMER camp and focus on other char(like kid/kaido/remaining SH barred Zoro)

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Anyone else feels that the Strawhats outside of Luffy feel out of place in The Post Timeskip arcs? Well not all and not all of the time but I can't help but feel this way about them compared to how they were before

Before the conflict felt personal for most of the Strawhats , they felt involved in the plot and what's going on

Ever since Punk Hazard it felt like they didn't really care about what's going on or the War against Kaido and Doflamingo , they were just doing it because Luffy wants to take down a Yonko , it might be because Oda was too busy focusing on other Characters such as the Supernovas but it's hard to even care about them anymore since they feel like NPCs doing what the plot demands instead of characters with their own motivation

Yeah the strawhats except Zoro and Luffy have taken a back seat to the worst generation post timeskip.

- PH / Dressrosa was all about Law

- Zou and WCI was all about Bege

- Wano has been all about the supernova as well