Future Events Does Luffy vs. Akainu have to happen narratively?

#1
What speaks for it:
  • Akainu is the personification of absolute justice, so Luffy as a pirate will have to face him
  • Luffy received a trauma from Akainu, lost his brother to him, received a scar and doubted his PK path
What speaks against it:
  • Luffy is not the prototype pirate Akainu opposes, since Luffy seeks freedom more than anything else
  • The Marines are just the public face of the WG, Akainu's face, according to the Gorosei, has value less than zero
  • As such, Luffy, who represents freedom (Joyboy), will face the WG (Im) that represents order
  • Luffy overcame his trauma regarding Akainu, remembering that he has his other friends too, and we had Shanks saying that it's ok to cry, but one has to move forward
  • Then we have Blackbeard as the antithesis to Luffy, who represents chaos and destruction
It's also questionable whether there would be a need to face Akainu after beating Kaido, who is superior portrayal.

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#2
Yes
Because scars are significant in One Piece like Mihawks scar on Zoro. Its reminder of humiliating defeat they suffered.

In Luffys case Its even more significant as this scar happened after he saw Akainu kill his dear brother..one of the most important people in his life.

It makes zero sense for secondary character Sabo to defeat Akainu when Main character Luffy was present looking at Akainu kill his brother unable to do anything and has biggest scar on his body as a constant reminder of that.

Oda is crazy if Akainu doesn't get his comeuppance from Luffy
 
#5
Imu sama is much grander than akainu.......the entire story of one piece is much bigger than > what akainu did to ace.......

BB can be held equally responsible for death of ace...........

Akainu is not power hungry like most of the villains..


The biggest thing is akainu was doing his job as a marine..........nothing wrong in that.........

There can be a brief fight which will happen..........
 
#6
  • Luffy is not the prototype pirate Akainu opposes, since Luffy seeks freedom more than anything else
Why did Akainu try so hard to kill Luffy at Marineford? Because he is Dragon's son.
Why does Akainu hate Dragon so much? Because he is worldwide known as the "worst criminal in the world/most wanted man"..
Luffy will become the Pirateking. He will be labeled as worst criminal in the world.
Luffy was already Akainu's biggest target at MF, it will be even worse EoS.

  • The Marines are just the public face of the WG, Akainu's face, according to the Gorosei, has value less than zero
The Marines are the military power of the WG, without the Marines the WG is weaker than the fucking Donquixote Family.
Admirals are hailed as the WG's ultimate fighting power.
Akainu is the strongest man in the WG.

Fleet Admiral vs Pirateking makes sense.

  • As such, Luffy, who represents freedom (Joyboy), will face the WG (Im) that represents order
The Pirateking will fight the Fleet Admiral.
Whether Luffy fights Im or not is another question, there is no reason why he can't fight both anyway.

  • Luffy overcame his trauma regarding Akainu, remembering that he has his other friends too, and we had Shanks saying that it's ok to cry, but one has to move forward
Yet he still gets pissed off at the simple mention of Akainu's name, even 2 years later

  • Then we have Blackbeard as the antithesis to Luffy, who represents chaos and destruction
Blackbeard won't fall in the same arc
Blackbeard has no relevance once Luffy becomes Pirateking.
He is a rival for that title, once Luffy accomplishes his dream he will have topped every single pirate alive.

It's also questionable whether there would be a need to face Akainu after beating Kaido, who is superior portrayal.
Kaido doesn't have anything that puts him above Akainu other than a folkloric reputation based on "they say" and that feeds into his Oni/not human trope.
Characters that are present in the current story are bound to get better portrayal than those who will have their own arc later on.
 
#8
I mean obviously it's going to happen! Akainu literally killed Luffy's brother in front of his eyes, there's no way that Luffy doesn't fight Akainu. Also, Akainu is the fleet Admiral of the Navy, Luffy has to fight him in the final war, but since Luffy doesn't kill, the one who will finish him off will be none other than Sabo. But Luffy will be the one to defeat Akainu, and he's going to destroy him.
 
#10
Problem is Akainu is too weak to be a 1v1 fight. Luffy is fighting Kaido and then PK level Teach. Both are stronger than Akainu. If they do fight it will be something like this:
That's the point. Luffy vs Akainu is a symbolic fight, it's not a fight in which he's going to struggle. Back in Marinford Akainu destroyed Luffy, but when they meet again, Luffy will destroy Akainu the same way he did it to Luffy.
 
#11
What speaks for it:
  • Akainu is the personification of absolute justice, so Luffy as a pirate will have to face him
  • Luffy received a trauma from Akainu, lost his brother to him, received a scar and doubted his PK path
What speaks against it:
  • Luffy is not the prototype pirate Akainu opposes, since Luffy seeks freedom more than anything else
  • The Marines are just the public face of the WG, Akainu's face, according to the Gorosei, has value less than zero
  • As such, Luffy, who represents freedom (Joyboy), will face the WG (Im) that represents order
  • Luffy overcame his trauma regarding Akainu, remembering that he has his other friends too, and we had Shanks saying that it's ok to cry, but one has to move forward
  • Then we have Blackbeard as the antithesis to Luffy, who represents chaos and destruction
It's also questionable whether there would be a need to face Akainu after beating Kaido, who is superior portrayal.

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Luffy Vs Akainu
Sabo Vs Akainu
Dragon Vs Akainu
Garp Vs Akainu

ALL OF THEM make a lot of sense narratively


maybe Monkey D family beat him togather ... but it don't means Akainu can push any of them to extremes diff in 1 Vs 1
 
#13
Deluded Yankers in this thread :whitepress:

Akainu will push PK Luffy extreme diff 1v1 :steef:
he failed to push a sick old man who can't use CoC or Awaking after trick his underlings to stab him and punch him while he was having a heart attack ... to extreme diff

he was equal to weakling beard and no match for PRIME Beard aka PK level fighter
Prime Beard would fuck Akainu up and it's a fact
 
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#14
LMAO the bias


Only character who destroyed Luffy both mentally and physically
Killed Luffy's brother
Current Fleet Admiral who made the Navy stronger than ever
Hyped by Oda himself
Highest offensive power

Is basically the Blackbeard of the Navy, paired with him multiple times :
Akainu killed Ace, Teach fought him
Teach killed WB, Akainu fought him
Akainu fought his former comrade during TS
Teach fought his former comrade during TS
Akainu became FA during TS
Teach became Yonko during TS

Jinbei paired them during his speech post TS, Oda did the same at the end of the MF war (579)

Im and the WG are fighting Revos, PK level Luffy & Zoro are fighting Akainu & Kizaru
 
#15
That's the point. Luffy vs Akainu is a symbolic fight, it's not a fight in which he's going to struggle. Back in Marinford Akainu destroyed Luffy, but when they meet again, Luffy will destroy Akainu the same way he did it to Luffy.
I think luffy vs akainu can be similar to naruto vs neji in part 1 where luffy convinces akainu that not all pirates are evil and such....and changing his perspective
 
#16
narratively?
yes
here are a couple panels




The entire journey that concluded pretimeskip ended with luffy realizing he wasnt at the level needed to challenge the world government.

prompting the 2 year timeskip where rayleigh started to train him in haki an ability that will help him against some of the troublesome abilities he met in the war .


fast forward 2 yrs the story ofc is on course to end up with another saga against the world government as whitebeard predicted.


fast foward 2 years we are also told of two villains that were prominent in this war that grew in power

key point here luffy's scars still ache
this is similar to shanks and BB who are bound to have an encounter at some point. its not something to toss aside.
The other villain who grew in power


The wg saga could span several arcs similar to the yonko saga
he could still face akainu then imu if that is even someone that needs to be fought . again higher status or position doesnt always == powerlevel.


people who argue against it say sabo has better chances of doing so based sabo inheriting ace's will
which to me is as good as zoro's inheriting oden's will this arc against kaido .
with that said , no one can argue the narative isnt there for the two to cross paths, the reason most folks fear this , yes fear is mostly from a powerscaling standpoint.
If akainu is an eos villain alongside BB
what does that say about kaido , big mom , the other top tiers in the verse
luffy will be better versed in all forms of haki
would be delusional to think it would notbe a competitive fight so what does that say about akainu in comparison to the others.
it will certainly crush some head-canons for sure .
however imu is a safer option, no one knows about , has no feats, we can throw in the gorosei for his top honchos and that will be that. oda can focus on making some connectionto luffy towards the end of the story
as opposed to 2 villains BB and akainu who have had a much longer buildup and who luffy actively owes a grudge against. Ace fought blackbeard too you know , his fire clashed with BB's darkness and lost . No one brings that up at all in inheriting ace's will.
the bias is telling.
 

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Conqueror of the Stars
#17
Luffy has more narrative reason to face Akainu than he does anybody else in OP aside from Blackbeard. Let’s dig a bit deeper:

  • Akainu is the personification of absolute justice, so Luffy as a pirate will have to face him
  • Luffy received a trauma from Akainu, lost his brother to him, received a scar and doubted his PK path
The debate should have ended right here tbh, no other character in OP history has made Luffy literally give up on his dream to become the Pirate King. But we continue lol.

Luffy is not the prototype pirate Akainu opposes, since Luffy seeks freedom more than anything else
The guy who spent the latter half of the Marineford War trying to incinerate Luffy’s corpse doesn’t oppose Luffy specifically?

Akainu opposes all Pirates, that is his justice. Absolute, Thorough Justice. He murdered all of the citizens of Ohara to prevent the possibility of one scholar being among them.

Akainu is not like Aokiji or Sengoku, who recognize that not all Pirates are bad and not all Marines are good. Akainu ideologically believes all Pirates are evil, and that evil must be eliminated without a trace. I’m not sure where this notion of Akainu’s sense of justice having nuance comes from.

The Marines are just the public face of the WG, Akainu's face, according to the Gorosei, has value less than zero
What does that matter towards the question of whether Luffy will fight Akainu or not? Like Luffy will only fight you if he thinks your face has some value to the world?

No. Luffy will fight anybody that the plot has been constructed around him fighting. Akainu is one such character.

  • As such, Luffy, who represents freedom (Joyboy), will face the WG (Im) that represents order
  • Luffy overcame his trauma regarding Akainu,
Firstly, Imu does not represent order, for one. Imu represents the grand hypocrisy of the World Government, about how the idea of the WG not being interested in power and exists to maintain the peace, is a lie.

This is what the “Empty Throne” symbolizes. Publicly, the throne is empty because it represents the government and all her kingdom’s vowing to never try to take power for themselves. But in secret, Imu sits on the throne, thus embodying the grand hypocrisy of the Government.

Imu, ideologically, is a fool to Dragon, not Luffy. Dragon’s character is all about how he recognizes all of the Government’s flaws, with Imu being that ultimate representation. This is why we met Dragon when Sabo (a Celestial Dragon) foresook the Government as a child, and why Dragon states that he doesn’t want to fight the Marines, but the World Nobles. Imu represents concepts that Luffy knows nothing about, but Imu is the perfect foil for Dragon, who very likely knows the true nature of the Government for himself. Imu even threw Luffy’s wanted poster aside, he has little to no interest in Luffy.

Second, Luffy never overcame his trauma from Akainu. If you were dating someone, and then that person dumped you, and then you rebounded and immediately started dating someone else to protect your emotional state, you did not recover from the first breakup, you simply rebounded as a distraction.

Luffy never overcame Ace’s death, he simply found another reason to resume his dream of becoming the Pirate King. Luffy will overcome his trauma when he fights Akainu in the future.

Then we have Blackbeard as the antithesis to Luffy, who represents chaos and destruction
Blackbeard is not the antithesis to Luffy, he is a dark parallel to Luffy. He is similar to Luffy in fundamental ways (both are Pirates, both want to be pirate king, their journeys are mirrored), but different from him in the grand scheme of things.

Akainu is Luffy’s true antithesis. He and Luffy have absolutely nothing in common and are opposite to each other in every way.

It's also questionable whether there would be a need to face Akainu after beating Kaido, who is superior portrayal.
Assuming Kaido > Akainu true,

Imagine someone told you Luffy never needed to face Hody or Caesar because Luffy defeated stronger opponents than them pre-timeskip.

Oda does not have Luffy fight opponents for the sole sake of surpassing them, this is one of the biggest and dumbest myths propagated in this fandom. Oda has Luffy fight opponents based on ideology and narrative, and as far as both of these things go, Akainu is by far the most significant opponent for Luffy to face.
 
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#19
Luffy Vs Akainu
Sabo Vs Akainu
Dragon Vs Akainu
Garp Vs Akainu

ALL OF THEM make a lot of sense narratively


maybe Monkey D family beat him togather ... but it don't means Akainu can push any of them to extremes diff in 1 Vs 1
If Garp was ready to fight against Akainu, then he would have done it to protect Ace. Yes, I remember that Garp wanted to kill Akainu after he killed Ace, but that was the result of his RAGE and nothing more. We saw Garp struggling between his duty as a Marine and as a grandmother, and he chose his duty over his family. Garp is not going to fight against Akainu when Ace is already dead, what's the point then? Also Garp is too old for that, he's 78/79 years old. So no, neretevly Garp fight Akainu doesn't make sense...

Dragon and revolutionary army are more concentrated on the Celestial Dragons rather then the Nawy. Yes, they fight against the Marian Admirals if it's necessary, but it's not their fight. The WG has the CP–0 for combating atheist revolutionaries. Neretevly it makes more sense for the Revo army to fight against the CP agients rather than the Navy.

So at the end of the day, Luffy is the only candidate to fight against Akainu. And how he can't fight against him? Akainu killed his brother in front of his eyes, there's no way in the world that Luffy doesn't fight against him. Luffy will defeat Akainu while Sabo will finish him off, that's the best outcome for both brothers to avenge for Ace.
 
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