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Monkey D. Dragon.


World Government
Before talking about Dragon, let's review World Government, the main antagonist organization in this series.
The World Government is affiliated with roughly 170 countries from around the world. They approve of Absolute Justice and are based in the holy land of Mary Geoise. :kawak:

The World Government maintains an international order that claims to benefit all, making the world safe for the sake of everyone. However, the reality is that, unknown to most citizens (and many world leaders), the World Government's actions and policies tend to be secretly based on corruption or questionable motives. :hope:

They once allied themselves with seven powerful pirates in exchange for pardoning their past felonies, but allowed them to continue committing crimes. :crazwhat:Because of this some countries have suffered from Shichibukai's tyranny.
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- Crocodile caused war in Alabasta.
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- Doflamingo ruled Dressrosa with iron fist and robbed memories of many citizens of their loved ones by turning their loved ones into toy.
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- Moriah robbed freedom of Thriller Bark citizen by stealing their shadows.
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- Blackbeard infiltrated Impel Down and freed Impel Down prisoners.
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World Government also closed information that Level 6 Impel Down escaped to make people not lost faith in World Government. :whitepress:
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Crimes committed by World Government

Research for Transforming Humans into Giants

- According to Trafalgar Law, the World Government has carried out research for hundreds of years on growth hormones to transform humans into giant soldiers. :watchout:
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Slavery

- Slavery in places like Sabaody Archipelago and Tequila Wolf due in part to the World Nobles. :jay-yeah:

Amber Lead Revelation

- According to Gladius 100 years before the industry came to be, the World Government and the royal family of Flevance discovered that Amber Lead was poisonous, but chose not to inform the country of its dark nature, as to gain profit from the industry. :risitasad:

Child Trafficking

- Carmel set up an orphanage on Elbaf for children of all races but in reality she was spy and child trafficker working with the Government, supplying children who would be indoctrinated into serving the Marines or Cipher Pols. :risicheck:
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Amber Lead Fiasco

- Sixteen years ago, according to Senor Pink, White City neighbouring country began to think that Amber Lead sickness as pandemic and closed every passage out of the country. World Government only helped Royal Family and left citizens of White City dying from Amber Lead sickness. As a result of this citizens of White City was treated as monster and they were shot and killed. :hapnoel:

Ohara Incident
- In 1502, the World Government sent the Buster Call to wipe out Ohara. :saden:
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Lucci's Mission

- Seventeen years ago, a small unnamed kingdom was captured by pirates. 500 royal guards were held hostage in an attempt to force the king to make the pirate captain the new king. The World Government sent a 13-year old boy to the kingdom. The boy in turn killed the 500 royal guards for showing weakness before killing the pirate captain and taking his head. :sighting:

Despite these crimes, not many organizations take stand to oppose World Government and change the world. Four Emperor even though they have high influence and military might, they only focus on their internal affairs rather than changing the world.

So what will you do? Will you turn a blind eye on these wrongdoings? Will you accept your fate under World Nobles tyranny? Or will you raise and get back up to get back the freedom you deserve?

The only big organization that wants to oppose World Government and free people of World Government tyranny is Revolutionary Army led by Monkey D. Dragon.

Now what defines good character? How do we define good character? What are the characteristics of good character? Imo good character is a character we can relate. Character who has both good and bad thing. A character that has basis what makes that character the person he/she is today.

Mihawk is introduced as World Strongest Swordman. We have never seen him struggle even in Marineford. He looks untouchable. But this character lacks depth. A character that we cannot relate to. Dragon is different. Corruption, slavery, lying to public, tyranny these something too often in a world we live in today. Many people raise and try to oppose these wrongdoings. Dragon represents these people who want to be freed from government corruption.

Mihawk would be unbeatable until he fights Zoro and this makes Mihawk less interesting as a character. Dragon however is not portrayed as unstoppable monster. In Goa Kingdom he admitted that he lacks power to overthrow World Government. Ivankov and Koala also mentioned that Revolutionary Army is not ready to oppose World Government. We saw how Baltigo got annihilated. We saw how Dragon showed worried expression when he heard Sabo's death news. These show Dragon is more interesting as character. These also show even though Dragon himself admitted he lacked power, he didn't give up and kept building his army and helping suppressed citizens from World Government tyranny.

1. Role in the Story

Mihawk's role in the story is to be Zoro's goal but Dragon is much more than that. Dragon's role in the story is as someone who stands at the top of zenith of Revolutionary Army who opposes world Government and free people who are suppressed by World Government.

Dragon appears in chapter 100. Oda clearly has big plan for Dragon. Dragon appeared during Roger's execution in Loguetown and he appeared again in Loguetown when Luffy was about to be executed by Buggy. At that moment Luffy was about to be executed by Buggy and it looked like the series was about to end with Luffy's death then we were introduced with this mysterious figure with cloak. We have no idea if he's on Luffy's side, marines side or even independent individual.

If we compare this to Mihawk's introduction, we knew already he is a swordman since he carries big sword on his back and his introduction box implied that he is World Strongest Swordman and would be Zoro's end goal but for Dragon we have no idea his identity and his relationship with Luffy.

The cloak, tattoo, rainy weather the time he was introduced and the narrator box of Roger's words during his introduction scream mystery of Dragon. What is Dragon's connection to Gol D Roger? Why did he appear during Roger's execution? What's the meaning behind Dragon's tattoo?
It's when Dragon was introduced for the second time that we knew he is Luffy's father. It took Luffy to declare war on World Government for Oda to reintroduce Dragon later as Luffy's father. This is consistent with Dragon's goal to overthrow Celestial Dragon who ruled World Government. While Oda grouped Four Emperor together through their first introduction by Garp, Oda introduced Dragon later and separated his introduction with Four Emperors. Showing Dragon might have a higher role than those Four Emperors.

What makes his introduction is new and unique is because so far before Enies Lobby we have been introduced with group called pirates and marines. Pirates group are normal in manga about pirate and marines are normal as antagonist for pirates in manga about pirates. What Dragon's introduction bring is the introduction of Revolutionary Army.

Revolutionary Army brings new light to this manga instead of classic pirates vs pirates or pirates vs marines. What makes Revolutionary Army interesting is because Revolutionary Army is the only big organization that wants to overthrow World Government and Dragon stands at its zenith.

Thanks to Dragon that Ivankov was willing to help Luffy. Thanks to Dragon that Kuma was willing to spare Luffy. It was also thanks to Dragon saving Sabo that Sabo managed to meet Luffy in Dressrosa and saved Luffy from Burgess and Fujitora.Dragon's presence in the manga helped Luffy on multiple occasions through his comrades, Ivankov, Kuma and Sabo

Dragon represents enigma in One Piece, D which means natural enemy of Gods.
And Celestial Dragons are considered as Gods.


5 Elders are the highest ranking of Celestial Dragon who rule over the world with the only individual of higher authority they answer to being the mysterious Im who sits on the Empty Throne.
And Dragon main goal as D is to overthrow World Government who is ruled by Celestial Dragons who are known as Gods.
Koala herself stated that the goal of Revolutionary Army is to throw World Nobles who are known as Gods and that's Dragon main objective who has D bloodline running through his veins, enemy of Gods.
This really fit the theme of D vs Gods which was foreshadowed by Rosinante. And this goal is also much more noble than Mihawk who is waiting for swordman stronger than Shanks to challenge him. Dragon goal is to change the world and erase the corruption caused by World Government.

That's also why Dragon's title as World's Worst Criminal is legit. He is the biggest threat to World Government.

Not to disrespect Mihawk but his title as World Strongest Swordman is still questionable by some fandom here since Shanks, Shiki, BM, Roger are swordsman. This is my opinion I hope Mihawk fandom won't take it seriously.

2. Past

Mihawk is an interesting character but there is not much to explore from Mihawk. His connection is limited to Shanks. However, from Dragon we can explore more. What event that made him choose to build Revolutionary Army, his relationship with Garp, when did his wife bore Luffy, his relationship with some of marines from World Government.

Dragon appeared in Roger's execution and didn't have tattoo.
And when he returned to his hometown, Goa Kongdom he had that tattoo.
Another interesting to note from his past is he visited Shimotsuki Village for food supply. This implies he has connection with Koshiro, Zoro's teacher.
The most interesting thing about Dragon's past is Akainu. Before Luffy's revelation as Dragon's son, Akainu was the first one to say Luffy was Dragon's son. Oda could have chosen other character to be the first one to mention Luffy as Dragon's son but Oda chose Akainu instead. This also shows as if Akainu has already known Dragon has a son and that son is Luffy.
Not only that. When Luffy faced 3 admirals in MF, Akainu called Luffy Dragon's son. Showing there is deep animosity between Akainu and Dragon. This is interesting because Akainu is central antagonist in the series after what he did to Luffy and Ace in Marineford.
This deep animosity is clearer when Akainu chose to kill Luffy first instead of Ace even though Ace was the one who fought him and the objective of World Government at that time was to kill Ace not Luffy.

Which shows how great Dragon's influence. While Mihawk's influence is for swordsman only as stated by Vista, Dragon's name influences World Government that killing Luffy is top priority when Luffy was revealed as Dragon's son and Luffy used Conqueror haki. The experession of Doberman that Luffy would become a terrifying enemy since he's Dragon's son shows how much of a threat Dragon is to World Government.


3. Character

While Mihawk followed World Government orders knowing how corrupted World Government is, Dragon takes a stand and he did a lot of opposition to save innocent citizens from World Government suppression.
Dragon has shown the expression that he has empathy with people who get suppressed by World Government.

Why Dragon Became Revolutionary

We don't know why did Dragon build Revolutionary Army. The only clue we have is when Dragon visited his hometown, Goa Kingdom.

He showed empathy to young Sabo and was enraged when Goa Kingdom actions caused an innocent noble boy like Sabo to denounce them and admit he still has no power to change the power of his own country.
Even if that's the case he still doesn't give up to change the world.
This event of Goa Kingdom is the defining moment of Dragon's character. After seeing what nobles in Goa Kingdom did to young kid like Sabo to regret being born, Dragon swore that he will change the world.
the expression Dragon has here shows how much he despises World Government.
This was emphasized with Supreme Commander Monkey D. Dragon chastising his subordinates for being complacent with their victory in Centaurea and his reminder of the arduous military campaign.
Dragon also showed concern to Robin who was also suffered tragedy from World Government action (Ohara incident).

As Leader of Revolutionary Army

As leader of Revolutionary Army, Dragon carries the hope of people who want to be free from World Government tyranny. Dragon also spread his ideals throughout the world which provoked revolution in many kingdoms and downfall of many countries.
As a result of this, Dragon also carried the hope of these fallen souls and because of that we saw him rarely smiling.
His past in Goa Kingdom might hint to the reason he turned into a person he is today. When Garp revealed Luffy as Dragon's son, Straw Hat pirates along with Coby, Helmeppo and other marines were shocked. They were surprised that someone like Dragon has a son.
Even Dragon himself said it was good that people knew Dragon has a son since that makes Dragon as human being with blood running through his veins. This panel alone shows how much he changed into inhuman after he saw how corrupted the World Government is.

As a Father

Dragon himself has to act tough in front of his subordinates since he carries the hope of revolution. For this reason when he heard Luffy challenged World Government in Enies Lobby, he refused to smile in front of his subordinates and went outside to show his happy expression hearing what his son did.
This shows no matter how inhuman he became due to his past with World Government, deep down he is still a father. It is shown when he saved Luffy from Smoker in Logue Town.
He respected Luffy's wish to become pirate and wish his son a good journey. In Ivankov's flashback it was also hinted that how much Dragon misses his home and he was smiling when Ivankov tried to pry into his history.

4. As a Revolutionary

Good Leadership

Dragon is leader of Revolutionary Army. He is different from Mihawk who takes order from World Government. Dragon has shown good leadership ability throughout the series.
Dragon knew that after Whitebeard's death, the balance of the world would shift which was why he told Ivankov that gathering Revolutionary Commanders for near future is necessary showing his wisdom as a leader.
Dragon also knew that facing World Government needs a necessary preparation. Which was the reason Koala told Sabo that he was reckless for challenging an admiral Fujitora.
Ivankov also told Luffy that Revolutionary Army would not commit to any mobilization of their forces until Dragon is prepared.
Dragon also knew how Black Market works and the impact on Black Market after Doflamingo's defeat. Dragon as a leader also knew how strong Cipher Pol has gotten in recent years.
Dragon also know the right time to retreat when Revolutionary Army headquarter was discovered by Blackbeard Pirates and Cipher Pol 0. It was more necessary to avoid direct combat and find another headquarter in Kamabakka Island rather than staying in Baltigo that might attract more World Government forces to attack Baltigo.
When Revolutionary Army read news of Sabo's death, Dragon was the first one to suggest they have to confirm first whether the news is fake or not. This shows Dragon has good judgement and doesn't let his emotion ruin his decision.

Tactician

Unlike Mihawk whose life only revolves around fighting, Dragon beside a fighter himself is also a tactician. After Luffy liberated Dressrosa, Revolutionary Army took the opportunity to seize munitions and evidence related to Doflamingo's black market activities.

Camaraderie

Mihawk lives alone in his home in Kuraigana Island. However Dragon is different. He has many people he trusts. His camaraderie with his subordinates are strong.
Ivankov was willing to protect Luffy when he knew Luffy is Dragon's son.
Dragon also mobilized his Commanders to rescue Kuma in Levely. Which has been stated that the reason they infiltrated Levely was to save Kuma.
Kuma himself tried to test Luffy's crew when he knew Luffy is Dragon's son and showed admiration to Luffy's crew for being loyal.


Savior

He's not the type of person who ignores people in trouble. He saved people of Goa by creating path to ships he prepared.
He also freed slaves in Tequila Wolf.


To me Dragon is an inspirational figure. He leads Revolutionary Army to change the world from World Government tyranny. His past in Goa Kingdom explains why he became the man he is today. As Revolutionary Army leader, he carries the hope of people who want to be freed from World Government corruption. Because of that he's very strict and serious with his goal and he is rarely smiling except when his son Luffy is involved. This shows how inhuman he became due to his past with World Government, but deep down he is still a father who cares for his son.
 
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So I kind of had my worst nightmare come true. I hit post before I was ready! When I went to fix it, all my image links were gone! Hope it wasn't too confusing, lol. Here's my real post.
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Alrighty, Dragon vs Hawk!

^closest I could find
That's a really solid defense of Dragon, with some ideas I hadn't even considered before! I'm going to follow your format and address your points while offering some Mihawk rebuttals.


Let's do this!

1. Role in the Story
On the surface, Mihawk is Zoro's goal, or at least Mihawk's title is Zoro's goal. But once we get past the Baratie Arc, we see Mihawk has a bigger role in the story as an agent of chaos and change.

Dragon's role is certainly very important, but a big role doesn't make a character great. Otherwise, Im or Joy Boy could win this entire Rumble right now.

It's what that the author does with the character fulfilling that role that makes them a good character or not. I think that's why Oda gives us goofy-ass villains so often-- it's not enough for them just to be strong, they must also have a quirk or a weakness (thinking of Magellan here.) This is also why Smoothie got so much hate; just being strong but not doing anything is really annoying.

Mihawk has two roles in the story. One is to be the WSS. After he's defeated, his role will probably be to be a Rayleigh-like old mentor (or a cabbage farmer, we shall see!). It's not that his only purpose in the story is to inspire Zoro and reveal Zoro's weaknesses.

Mihawk's other role to be an agent of uncertainty and chaos. He's chaotic neutral, dressed up in the flowery language and frilly shirts that would suggest a much more formal, rule-following character, so it's surprising to see just how blasé he is about everything.

A: An "Ideal" Swordsman
Mihawk represents all that a great swordfighter should be, doesn't he? He's graceful, confident, agile, strong, extremely quick, a master of both close and distance fighting, on ground and aerial, no matter the size of his weapon.

He can even spout off swordsman rules:

And when Zoro begins to quote back some of these swordsman's sayings to him at the Baratie, Mihawk is DELIGHTED.

He obviously knows the rules and etiquette that come along with being a top swordfighter. We see it again when he and Vista have a formal introduction at the beginning of their fight.

But Koshiro, or even Cavendish, comes much closer to the ideal swordsman. Mihawk breaks a lot of "swordsman" rules.

He's lazy:
He's beyond arrogant:
He disobeys orders:
His body language looks like he doesn't care or isn't ready to fight:
And, more than anything, he's not exactly using his sword for noble goals, as you noted.
He's a hired gun who barely does the minimum requirements to keep his job.

I couldn't find a subbed version of this gif, but the line is: "Anything beyond this is outside of my contract."

Piecing that together, we can form a picture of a young man who received very traditional swordfighting instruction, probably from someone like Koshiro, but who combined that structure with the attitude and lifestyle of a pirate. He knows the rules, yet chooses to break them. This is also reflected in his language, which I'll get to later.

While Mihawk followed World Government orders knowing how corrupted World Government is, Dragon takes a stand and he did a lot of opposition to save innocent citizens from World Government suppression.
I disagree here about Dragon being above Mihawk because Mihawk followed the WG. So did Kuma!
But Kuma may have had a good reason or an alternate plan! And so might Mihawk. It seems almost every Warlord joined for some kind of ulterior motive.
And we don't really know Mihawk's motivations for being a Shichibukai, other than he likes to fight. But must he save innocent civilians to be a good character? As I said, Mihawk is chaos.

B. An Agent of Chaos and Change

Dragon and Mihawk are similar here. They're both wild cards who can change the mood of a situation without saying a word. And the changes Dragon creates may be more widespread and meaningful than Mihawk's, in the long run.

But character-wise, what we see from Dragon is more of a Tactician-Leader than a Fighter. He gives orders, reads reports, sends in troops, etc. I wish we knew what it is about him that inspires his army. More than just the D :catlewd:

There must be some reason people follow him. Does he give great inspirational speeches? Is it his physical power or whatever DF he has? Is it because he has a specific plan? It would be really cool if Oda showed us a scene of Dragon rallying his troops or saying what he wants to do after he topples the Celestials. Does he want to rule? There's just not enough there to really dig into so that we can understand the character at this point in the story.

As far as bringing chaos and change worldwide, Dragon is certainly going to have a huge impact. But as a character, we have very little to go on as far as what motivates him (Hate for the Celestials? Almost everyone has that.).

With Mihawk, we see his personal goal when we meet him. His goal is to find someone good to fight with, and he's willing to go to a lot of trouble to find them. That's all. We really didn't have to wait on the Vivre Card to confirm it,
because he already told us at the Baratie.
Mihawk is FORTY-ONE years old here. And he hasn't seen anyone like Zoro in a long time. And from what we heard about Mihawk earlier in this arc, he should just chop chop chop and be done with Zoro in no time flat.

The facts that he lets Zoro live, encourages him, teaches him about the world, and treats Zoro like a "real swordsman" by using Yoru show us that Mihawk is at the point of being so opponent-less that he's curating his own opponents now, growing them from little sapling swordfighters in the hope that they'll get big enough to be a challenge someday.
Zoro should've died at the Baratie. Mihawk spared him not for any greater good, but so that the little fella could have time to mature, like releasing a fish that's too small to keep. That makes him a more intriguing character because it shows us his plans.

To others in the OP world, Mihawk is seen as unpredictable, unknowable, and almost inhuman.
People talk about him like he's a psycho murderer
Sengoku even greets him with, "Masaka... Omae-ga..!!!":noo: at the Warlord meeting.
Which is basically like "No way! You're...?!" and Doffy says he's a "most unexpected man."

Anyway, no one can predict Mihawk's next moves because they realize that he mostly does things for his own self-interest. He could show up at Mariejois! He could track Shanks down on a deserted party island! He might suddenly walk off the battlefield! Who knows?! Mihawk does what he wants, for the most part.

But let's look at the scene that cements him as an agent of chaos: Ch 561 Luffy vs Mihawk

Like the poet he is, he begins the battle with a call to the Fates.
Mihawk is saying he's going to fight hard and see what happens. He doesn't charge forward and say, "I'm going to kill that Luffy!"
And I'm not sure he wants to kill Luffy on a personal level, but he says he's not gonna hold back.

BUT Luffy turned into more of a challenge than he expected because of Loof's unorthodox fighting style, leading to weird circumstances like this:
and this
and this
And, as usual with fighters, their true personalities are often revealed in the way they fight.
Mihawk is like a bird. He's curious. He tilts his head when something confuses him.

And most of all like a bird, he wants to know more about his prey. He toys with Luffy, asking him, "What will you do next?" and teasing him with "You're getting farther away from your brother!" At a certain point in this battle, somewhere around the iceburg slash, this battle becomes a SPECTACLE of both men just doing wacky tricks.

"Check this shit out."
"Pretty cool, but how about this?"
"Ah, nice but look at THIS!"
and that basically goes on until Buggy and Croco get in Mihawk's way. It's almost like Mihawk forgot his original goal was to kill Luffy because he got carried away with an interesting fighter. Now that's chaos. That's leaving things up to fate. It didn't have to turn out the way it did... Mihawk could have cut Luffy's arms off or ran him through like Croc did in Alabasta.
But Luffy escaped, and Mihawk was busy with new shiny bird toys opponents, so he moved on. Chaos and change.

Mihawk leaving the battlefield unexpectedly was the ultimate HUH? He didn't care that leaving might cost the Marines the war; no one was going to make him do anything that he didn't want to. Just like at the Baratie, he'd had his fun and so he left to take a nap.

2. Past

We don't get a ton of info about Mihawk's past. We see him at Roger's execution, minus Yoru, and Zeff seems to have a lot of knowledge of Mihawk, but besides that, our info comes from his relationship with Shanks.

His surprise visit to Shanks reveals a history between the two that we don't more learn about until Shanks visits WB much later.
But Shanks isn't afraid of him, and none of Shanks' closest men are, either.
There's a reason they're not afraid of him, and it's because they've seen their captain go toe-to-toe with him. They've seen Mihawk at his very best, yet Shanks is alive. Mihawk spared Shanks when he defeated him.

And these are battle(s) that even Whitebeard remembers:

The scene at hangover Island (1), the scene with WB (2), and the scene of Mihawk walking off the battlefield at MF(3) are really all we have to go on as far as their relationship.

It hints at a far deeper history, especially due to Shanks' power.

Let's feel sorry for Mihawk a minute. Come on, bring it in. He doesn't have any friends of his generation except Shanks. Why is that?

As I said earlier, the way fighters get to know each other best is through fighting. And the person who knows Mihawk the best is always going to be Shanks, because he knows him through fighting up close and personal.

So, when the author shows us that Miho doesn't have any friends among his peers, except Shanks, we can infer that although Mihawk is a bit strange, he's neither unknowable or unhuman. He even loosens up a bit with Shanks and has a beer with him. It also tells us about Shanks' great abilities as a diplomat, which we see later.

Furthermore, we see that Shanks is possibly one of the only people to have fought Mihawk often enough to get to know him. No one else has lasted that long!

This is a huge difference between the stoicism of Mihawk and that of Dragon. Dragon remains unknowable despite the person who knows him best (Iva) attempting to get even basic information out of him about his past and his feelings, hell, even his son!
IDK what Dragon's reasons are for being such a closed book, but Oda better have something up his sleeve -- otherwise, he's just being edgy or rude.

3. Character

Now what defines good character? How do we define good character? What are the characteristics of good character? Imo good character is a character we can relate. Character who has both good and bad thing. A character that has basis what makes that character the person he/she is today.

Mihawk is introduced as World Strongest Swordman. We have never seen him struggle even in Marineford. He looks untouchable. But this character lacks depth. A character that we cannot relate to. Dragon is different. Corruption, slavery, lying to public, tyranny these something too often in a world we live in today. Many people raise and try to oppose these wrongdoings. Dragon represents these people who want to be freed from government corruption.
A common complaint about Mihawk is that he is unrelatable or flat. Or that his only character trait is that he's "suffering from success," (and he IS, but only not in the way people think.)

Mihawk is literally peerless. The ONLY OTHER person of his generation who treats him like a normal human adult is Shanks. Like Dragon, he rarely smiles and it's hard to know what he's thinking or feeling sometimes.

Beyond that, Mihawk is... um.... a bit strange personality-wise and in his manner of speech, which further distances him from other people.

The cape flourishes, the feathered hat, the dramatic frowns, the ridiculous boat, the whole thing about living as if you're already dead (more here)
All of that separates him from normal society, even more so than his frightening reputation. Mihawk is STRANGE. In a good way, of course.
Going back to what I said about him knowing the rules yet choosing to break them, Mihawk's language is downright weird.
He'll reference something and then trail off. He uses archaic language and leaves off endings in Japanese. He doesn't use honorifics. He speaks in classical poetic rhythms in Japanese. He shows up to a meeting and says shit like:
WHO EVEN DOES THAT?!
He's an anachronism, and it doesn't quite come off in his English version as much as it should.

He's also funny, but only in the most delightfully dry ways.
I know people read this as if they're actually challenging each other, but I think it's a gag. They're just teasing, plus they're trying to be cool, they're not gonna get up and hug. This kind of greeting is just playful teasing.

So a dry, anachronistic, top swordfighter might not be a super-relatable character for everyone, but there are plenty of people who do identify with Mihawk. He represents mystery, romance, arcane history, poetry, language, the way of the sword, and freedom. Most Mihawk fans seem to be introverts, like him.

Now, one thing we don't get from Mihawk is seeing him at highs and lows. We hardly even see him ever look worried. And that goes into the next section.

4. As WSS

Mihawk has literally never been defeated, but we know he will be someday. He knows it, too.
He tells Zoro: "I'll await you at the place/position/post of the strongest!"
He WANTS Zoro to beat him. As you said, if that was his only role, it would be kind of lame. but that's not because unbeatable characters are uninteresting. Hell, look at Saitama or Superman.

Ah, but we see Saitama and Superman struggle, you might say, but we see Mihawk's struggles as well.
He looks downright PISSED when Jozu stands up to block his strike, for one thing.

And he admitted that Luffy's unending parade of allies was keeping him from being able to get at Luffy as much as he wanted.

But Mihawk's biggest struggle, the one that shows the most depth and personality, is when he thinks Zoro turned out sucky.
Look at this scene from Mihawk's POV. He got home, read the newspaper, and apparently Zoro ran out of the castle as soon as he heard the news about MF.
Zoro won't listen to a word he says! It must remind Mihawk of how hard-headed Zoro was at the Baratie when he tried to explain (several times) that Zoro wasn't ready to challenge him. He's offered him shelter and a boat, but Zoro is just out there in a rage, surrounded by rage-baboons.

Now look at what happens when Zoro finally comes back inside. He bows down and just asks Mihawk for help. Mihawk is DISGUSTED.
That panel in the middle? Where he's turning his head away in disgust? These are some of the only times we see Mihawk disappointed. He feels like Roronoa wasn't as strong as he originally thought, and that's disappointing bc Mihawk was the one who told him to keep trying. It's disappointing that he misjudged someone. He, Mihawk, made a mistake in judging someone!

It's disappointing that the kid is so rude as to ignore all offers of help, then come in on his hands and knees asking for more help.

Mihawk is flat out pissed that Zoro is finally at his island, one-on-one, and it turns out the kid's not as strong as he'd hoped. He was really looking forward to fighting this kid, to this kid taking his title! Is Zoro breaking his promise to him?

That's why Mihawk's face lights up when Zoro says he's taken care of the Humandrills and asks for help in learning to fight. He suddenly realizes that Zoro actually isn't a weakling anymore. He just finished telling him how strong the Humandrills were, and he's already kicked their asses? And now he wants to take Mihawk's head?

This is the most Mihawk Smiles per Page we get in OP, and it's when he realizes that Zoro is still worth training. Within these two chapters, we see Mihawk at his lowest and his highest, and those are BOTH because of Zoro and the idea that their promise will be kept.

Between Dragon and Mihawk, both stoic characters, Mihawk shows more range and depth. We also have more information about how he thinks and what's important to him. I think we're missing that with Dragon, especially what he thinks. I feel like Oda is saving Dragon for a big reveal where we'll get to know him better, but for now, Mihawk is a much fuller character.
 
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Good argument from Wordyworm. Just as I expected.

Before talking about your argument about Dragon, I want to explore Dragon's character depth more.

From Dragon's name it's c;ear that Dragon represents dragon, king of the sky. This is evident during his appearance in Loguetown that thunder hit Luffy's execution platform.
The clearest moment when Oda represent Dragon as dragon, animal that rules the sky is when Dragon appeared behind Smoker who pinned down Luffy. Right after that gust of wind blew away people around him.
Similar event happened in Goa Kingdom when gust of wind cleared fire that burnt Grey Terminal.
This is more evident during Dragon's first appearance when he was accompanied by stormy weather.

So far Dragon is associated with wind and dragon. But that's not from his name only, even the name of his ship is Wind Granma. Wind which represent freedom and Granma is also the yacht that was used to transport 82 fighters of the Cuban Revolution from Mexico to Cuba in November 1956 for the purpose of overthrowing the regime of Fulgencio Batista. Even the design of his ship has a figurehead and theme of an actual dragon, complete with a small dragon tail.
This fits with Dragon's theme in the series revolution. He is leader of Revolutionary Army
and his goal is to overthrow World Government to free people from World Government's tyranny
which screams freedom and fits with what Dragon's associated with wind which represents freedom. Dragon (animal) is also a symbol benefactors and protectors of mankind which is very consistent with what Dragon did in the series when he saved people of Grey Terminal and Tequila Wolf.

On the surface, Mihawk is Zoro's goal, or at least Mihawk's title is Zoro's goal. But once we get past the Baratie Arc, we see Mihawk has a bigger role in the story as an agent of chaos and change.
From what I understand, chaos means people who do what they want. Mihawk is not the only character who does this. Boa and Doflamingo also represent chaos. They do what they want without caring about the consequence. Boa even openly opposed Smoker in Marineford without fearing the consequence. She also openly attacked Sentomaru and pacifista. Doflamingo also attacked Fujitora without fear.
This makes Mihawk not unique as character. Dragon however has something that other characters don't. He's the only D that fits description D is enemy of Gods since he's the only one who tries to overthrow World Nobles who are considered Gods. He also represents revolution in this manga. The term which fits his ship name Wind Granma and animal theme dragon which represents benefactor(Dragon freed slaves of Tequila Wolf and freed many suppressed people from World Government suppression)
Dragon's role is certainly very important, but a big role doesn't make a character great. Otherwise, Im or Joy Boy could win this entire Rumble right now.
Their role might be important but they lack personality to make them a great character. Dragon's role is to be leader of Revolutionary Army and he has shown defining moment that makes him leader of Revolutionary Army. That defining moment is in Goa Kingdom when Dragon sword he would overthrow World Government and showed how he despised World Government.
And these defining moments are consistent what makes him want to overthrow World Government. He hates World Government as can be seen in above panel how he hated Royal in Goa Kingdom for what they did to Sabo.
It's what that the author does with the character fulfilling that role that makes them a good character or not. I think that's why Oda gives us goofy-ass villains so often-- it's not enough for them just to be strong, they must also have a quirk or a weakness (thinking of Magellan here.) This is also why Smoothie got so much hate; just being strong but not doing anything is really annoying.
I agree with this. Character without weakness is less interesting to me than character with weakness. That's why I think Dragon is more interesting than Mihawk. Dragon admitted he lacked power to overthrow World Government.
We have never seen this in Mihawk's character. He is defined as perfect character in the manga and untouchable.
This is a huge difference between the stoicism of Mihawk and that of Dragon. Dragon remains unknowable despite the person who knows him best (Iva) attempting to get even basic information out of him about his past and his feelings, hell, even his son!
IDK what Dragon's reasons are for being such a closed book, but Oda better have something up his sleeve -- otherwise, he's just being edgy or rude.
Being edgy doesn't make Dragon a bad character. Beside being closed to everyone, Dragon has other personality that makes him better than Mihawk.
In front of his subordinates he refused to smile and had a tough strict act personality. But when he was alone and he heard what Luffy did at Enies Lobby, he was smiling. This shows that deep down Dragon is still a father.
This is character trait that Mihawk doesn't have. Mihawk's character is too generic or common. Dragon despite being edgy, he also has father trait.
There's a reason they're not afraid of him, and it's because they've seen their captain go toe-to-toe with him. They've seen Mihawk at his very best, yet Shanks is alive. Mihawk spared Shanks when he defeated him.
We actually have no idea if Red Hair pirates saw the duel between Shanks and Mihawk. The winner is also hasn't been stated in the manga.
Mihawk's past is only related to Shanks and that makes him less interesting since there's not so much to explore from him.
Dragon's past is more interesting. His past is not limited to Garp only, Akainu's reaction to Luffy and Akainu's decision to kill Luffy first instead of Ace even though the mission in MF was to kill ACE showed there's deep animosity between Dragon and Akainu and this makes Dragon more interesting since there are a lot to explore from Dragon.
From Dragon's past we can also explore how he built Revolutionary Army, reason he built Revolutionary Army, how he recruited Ivankov, Kuma. There are a lot of things to explore from Dragon while from Mihawk we can only explore how did he become World Strongest Swordman and his relationship with Shanks.
Dragon's past with Akainu is more interesting because Akainu is central antagonist after what he did to Luffy. We might see what would happen when Dragon meets Akainu again.
Mihawk's relationship with Shanks is as former rival. There is nothing to do between two of them anymore. This makes Mihawk less interesting since there is less to explore from Mihawk's past.
but there are plenty of people who do identify with Mihawk. He represents mystery, romance, arcane history, poetry, language, the way of the sword, and freedom. Most Mihawk fans seem to be introverts, like him.
If we compare the number of people who are related to Mihawk with people who are related to Dragon, there are more people who are related to Dragon. Dragon represents people who raise to fight back the tyranny of World Government and this happens a lot not only in 1 country. World Government in One Piece was created by Oda based on what is happening in our current society. The struggle of people, the sadness, misery. Dragon represents these people.
Between Dragon and Mihawk, both stoic characters, Mihawk shows more range and depth. We also have more information about how he thinks and what's important to him. I think we're missing that with Dragon, especially what he thinks. I feel like Oda is saving Dragon for a big reveal where we'll get to know him better, but for now, Mihawk is a much fuller character.
I agree it's difficult to judge what Dragon thinks but this makes him interesting character. The only time he shows his genuine expression was when his son was mentioned.
Dragon also has shown that he cares for Luffy a lot. The only time he was seen smiling was when he met Luffy in Loguetown and when he heard Luffy challenged World Government.
He was also seen smiling when Ivankov asked him about Luffy. This is the most genuine expression we have seen from Dragon when he was smiling when Ivankov tried to pry his past.
Not only that he wanted to save Kuma from World Government which was one of the reason Revolutionary Army infiltrated Levely.
He was also shocked when he heard Sabo's death. Showing deep down he cherished Sabo as one of his subordinates.
This something we have rarely seen from Mihawk. Dragon on multiple occasions show how deeply he cares about his son, Kuma and Sabo.

But Mihawk's biggest struggle, the one that shows the most depth and personality, is when he thinks Zoro turned out sucky.
Look at this scene from Mihawk's POV. He got home, read the newspaper, and apparently Zoro ran out of the castle as soon as he heard the news about MF.
Dragon's has bigger struggle than Mihawk. Dragon wants to change the world after all. Dragon's struggle is on bigger scale compared to Mihawk. I wouldn't call what Mihawk did to Jozu as struggle. Mihawk looked pissed but we also saw that with a lot of characters who looked pissed when he/she failed to deal damage to someone. Mihawk's expression to Zoro was more of a surprise rather than struggle. We have never seen Mihawk struggle or lost something until now. As character this makes Mihawk boring. Dragon has good and bad things going on for him.
Good Leadership

Dragon is leader of Revolutionary Army. He is different from Mihawk who takes order from World Government. Dragon has shown good leadership ability throughout the series.
Dragon knew that after Whitebeard's death, the balance of the world would shift which was why he told Ivankov that gathering Revolutionary Commanders for near future is necessary showing his wisdom as a leader.
Dragon also knew that facing World Government needs a necessary preparation. Which was the reason Koala told Sabo that he was reckless for challenging an admiral Fujitora.
Ivankov also told Luffy that Revolutionary Army would not commit to any mobilization of their forces until Dragon is prepared.
Dragon also knew how Black Market works and the impact on Black Market after Doflamingo's defeat. Dragon as a leader also knew how strong Cipher Pol has gotten in recent years.
Dragon also know the right time to retreat when Revolutionary Army headquarter was discovered by Blackbeard Pirates and Cipher Pol 0. It was more necessary to avoid direct combat and find another headquarter in Kamabakka Island rather than staying in Baltigo that might attract more World Government forces to attack Baltigo.
When Revolutionary Army read news of Sabo's death, Dragon was the first one to suggest they have to confirm first whether the news is fake or not. This shows Dragon has good judgement and doesn't let his emotion ruin his decision.

Tactician

Unlike Mihawk whose life only revolves around fighting, Dragon beside a fighter himself is also a tactician. After Luffy liberated Dressrosa, Revolutionary Army took the opportunity to seize munitions and evidence related to Doflamingo's black market activities.

Camaraderie

Mihawk lives alone in his home in Kuraigana Island. However Dragon is different. He has many people he trusts. His camaraderie with his subordinates are strong.
Ivankov was willing to protect Luffy when he knew Luffy is Dragon's son.
Dragon also mobilized his Commanders to rescue Kuma in Levely. Which has been stated that the reason they infiltrated Levely was to save Kuma.
Kuma himself tried to test Luffy's crew when he knew Luffy is Dragon's son and showed admiration to Luffy's crew for being loyal.


Savior

He's not the type of person who ignores people in trouble. He saved people of Goa by creating path to ships he prepared.
He also freed slaves in Tequila Wolf.

But Dragon is also not perfect. He admitted he lacked power to overthrow World Government.
We can see the struggle in Dragon to prepare his armies to change the world. Not only that. Dragon also lost Kuma, one of his comrade,
his base Baltigo.
His expression to Sabo's death also showed how he struggled to maintain his composure as a leader.

Character Arc

Dragon's character arc revolves around from building his armies to overthrow World Government. From his past in Goa Kingdom we can see how he despises royal for what he did to Sabo. Dragon also declared that he would change the world. From that point onward Dragon started building his armies to achieve his objective. As character this makes Dragon more interesting. We see a progression of Dragon's character. As for Mihawk, his goal is to wait Zoro for strong enough to challenge him. There is no progression in Mihawk's character arc. As character this makes Mihawk less interesting compared to Dragon.

Meaning of their title

Dragon represents enigma in One Piece, D which means natural enemy of Gods.
And Celestial Dragons are considered as Gods.
5 Elders are the highest ranking of Celestial Dragon who rule over the world with the only individual of higher authority they answer to being the mysterious Im who sits on the Empty Throne.
And Dragon main goal as D is to overthrow World Government who is ruled by Celestial Dragons who are known as Gods.
Koala herself stated that the goal of Revolutionary Army is to throw World Nobles who are known as Gods and that's Dragon main objective who has D bloodline running through his veins, enemy of Gods.
This really fit the theme of D vs Gods which was foreshadowed by Rosinante. And this goal is also much more noble than Mihawk who is waiting for swordman stronger than Shanks to challenge him. Dragon goal is to change the world and erase the corruption caused by World Government.
That's also why Dragon's title as World's Worst Criminal is legit. He is the biggest threat to World Government.
This further empasized when Akainu chose to kill Luffy first instead of Ace when the objective of marines in Marineford was to kill Ace.
Which shows how great Dragon's influence. While Mihawk's influence is for swordsman only as stated by Vista, Dragon's name influences World Government that killing Luffy is top priority when Luffy was revealed as Dragon's son and Luffy used Conqueror haki. The experession of Doberman that Luffy would become a terrifying enemy since he's Dragon's son shows how much of a threat Dragon is to World Government.

Now if we're talking about the legitimacy of their titles, what made Mihawk as World Strongest Swordman? Has he even beaten any top swordsman in the series? For Dragon it's clear he's a D and among all D presented in the manga, he's the only one who tries to overthrow World Nobles who are called Gods. This makes Dragon legit as the worst criminal but for Mihawk there's no build up as to why Mihawk is World Strongest Swordman.
 
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Thanks for waiting on my reply. Guess I needed a postponement, lol.

Before talking about your argument about Dragon, I want to explore Dragon's character depth more.

From Dragon's name it's c;ear that Dragon represents dragon, king of the sky. This is evident during his appearance in Loguetown that thunder hit Luffy's execution platform.
The clearest moment when Oda represent Dragon as dragon, animal that rules the sky is when Dragon appeared behind Smoker who pinned down Luffy. Right after that gust of wind blew away people around him.
Similar event happened in Goa Kingdom when gust of wind cleared fire that burnt Grey Terminal.
This is more evident during Dragon's first appearance when he was accompanied by stormy weather.

So far Dragon is associated with wind and dragon. But that's not from his name only, even the name of his ship is Wind Granma. Wind which represent freedom and Granma is also the yacht that was used to transport 82 fighters of the Cuban Revolution from Mexico to Cuba in November 1956 for the purpose of overthrowing the regime of Fulgencio Batista. Even the design of his ship has a figurehead and theme of an actual dragon, complete with a small dragon tail.
This fits with Dragon's theme in the series revolution. He is leader of Revolutionary Army
and his goal is to overthrow World Government to free people from World Government's tyranny
which screams freedom and fits with what Dragon's associated with wind which represents freedom. Dragon (animal) is also a symbol benefactors and protectors of mankind which is very consistent with what Dragon did in the series when he saved people of Grey Terminal and Tequila Wolf.
If we're debating who more clearly fills out their animal analogy, I think Mihawk wins that.

He's a lone hunter, just like a hawk. He even has the qualities of a hawk, such as "zoom-in" vision, without an apparent Devil Fruit.
Like a hawk who soars and circles over fields looking for prey, he meanders around the GL and specifically Paradise, his hunting grounds.

Hawks often circle their prey several times and observe it before they chose to strike. Just like Mihawk's circling here before he attacks Luffy.

Hawks can travel great distances, but they usually have a home base, just like Mihawk. They're ruthless, dinosaur-ish, and sometimes vicious. They're not known for friendliness like ravens and crows are. (I write this as I hear hawks outside my house, lol). Instead, hawks are known for their speed, precision, quick strikes, and amazing vision. Mihawk has all of that. He even has a big feather.

I totally agree with you about Dragon representing winds of change and protection of the weak. But as far as animal analogies go, Mihawk even looks like a hawk with his pointy nose, smaller build, and of course, his eyes. Mihawk is a better hawk than Dragon is a dragon.

From what I understand, chaos means people who do what they want. Mihawk is not the only character who does this. Boa and Doflamingo also represent chaos. They do what they want without caring about the consequence. Boa even openly opposed Smoker in Marineford without fearing the consequence. She also openly attacked Sentomaru and pacifista. Doflamingo also attacked Fujitora without fear.
Chaos is not just doing what you want. It means trusting in randomness, chance, and fate. Mihawk can make flippant decisions sometimes (leaving the Baratie, leaving MF, choosing to let Zoro live, etc.) and other times it seems like he has *kind of* a plan, but usually he makes decisions based on however he's feeling at the time.

No one ever knows what Mihawk is going to do next. For someone with his power to be so flippant and capricious all the time is actually pretty dangerous. It's not about attacking without fear or surprising people, it's also the possibility of inaction, such as when he left the battlefield or walked off from Don Krieg.

This makes Mihawk not unique as character. Dragon however has something that other characters don't. He's the only D that fits description D is enemy of Gods since he's the only one who tries to overthrow World Nobles who are considered Gods. He also represents revolution in this manga. The term which fits his ship name Wind Granma and animal theme dragon which represents benefactor(Dragon freed slaves of Tequila Wolf and freed many suppressed people from World Government suppression)
I don't think Dragon is the only D who fits that description. Law and Luffy literally overthrew a celestial already. Garp clearly hates them too, from how he acted at Reverie.

We have never seen this in Mihawk's character. He is defined as perfect character in the manga and untouchable.
Oh now that's not true. His strike at WB was a bust, he never got to finish his fight with Vista, Luffy got away from him REPEATEDLY.
We don't see any physical weaknesses from Mihawk, or him saying "I'm too weak to do X," but it's clear that he's not invincible.

Hell, the anime showed him getting concerned about fighting Jinbe and included this ridiculousness as well.
They're just running around like kids! What the hell, Toei? xD

But that's filler, so it doesn't count. What counts is that we have canon examples of things not working out for Mihawk.

Being edgy doesn't make Dragon a bad character. Beside being closed to everyone, Dragon has other personality that makes him better than Mihawk.
In front of his subordinates he refused to smile and had a tough strict act personality. But when he was alone and he heard what Luffy did at Enies Lobby, he was smiling. This shows that deep down Dragon is still a father.
This is character trait that Mihawk doesn't have. Mihawk's character is too generic or common. Dragon despite being edgy, he also has father trait.
There's a lot of fans who see Mihawk as Zoro (and Perona's) father-figure. And Mihawk cares for them as well, as we saw in the numerous instances he helped Zoro, even sparing his life three times in the Baratie fight. Plus, he told Perona to take care and that it was a good time to leave Kuraigana. Tsundere-Mihawk and tsundere-Dragon are about equal, I'd say.

He also cares enough about Shanks to track him down just to show him Luffy's wanted poster. He didn't have to go to all that trouble-- Shanks is a Yonko! Let him find his own newspapers, lol! But Mihawk also said that Luffy was someone he'd heard Shanks tell stories about-- that implies that they were in communication about their adventures around or after Shanks was in East Blue. The way Mihawk came to Shanks with that bounty poster, even though he didn't need to, is how we see that he cares about Shanks.

We actually have no idea if Red Hair pirates saw the duel between Shanks and Mihawk. The winner is also hasn't been stated in the manga.
Mihawk's past is only related to Shanks and that makes him less interesting since there's not so much to explore from him.
Dragon's past is more interesting. His past is not limited to Garp only, Akainu's reaction to Luffy and Akainu's decision to kill Luffy first instead of Ace even though the mission in MF was to kill ACE showed there's deep animosity between Dragon and Akainu and this makes Dragon more interesting since there are a lot to explore from Dragon.
From Dragon's past we can also explore how he built Revolutionary Army, reason he built Revolutionary Army, how he recruited Ivankov, Kuma. There are a lot of things to explore from Dragon while from Mihawk we can only explore how did he become World Strongest Swordman and his relationship with Shanks.
I'm assuming that the closest of Shanks' men would have been around for the battle, but you're right it's not stated. The winner, though, is by default Mihawk-- otherwise Shanks would be WSS. Unless he secretly beat Mihawk and we're all living a lie? :noo:

We don't have much info about his past, that's true. And because he has so few close relationships, we don't have other people to bounce those ideas off, except for Shanks.

But we have a ton of bits and pieces: Yoru being the strongest black sword and one of only 2 known Supreme Grade swords, Yoru's cross design being found in other places in the OP world, including the basement of Mariejois, and whatever connection we have between his coat pattern and Rayleigh's old coat pattern. As I mentioned in the first post, we can also piece together the idea that he was trained as a classical swordfighter. His past isn't spelled out for us, and god knows I wish there was a bit more to go on, but it's not blank.

Dragon's has bigger struggle than Mihawk. Dragon wants to change the world after all. Dragon's struggle is on bigger scale compared to Mihawk. I wouldn't call what Mihawk did to Jozu as struggle. Mihawk looked pissed but we also saw that with a lot of characters who looked pissed when he/she failed to deal damage to someone. Mihawk's expression to Zoro was more of a surprise rather than struggle. We have never seen Mihawk struggle or lost something until now. As character this makes Mihawk boring. Dragon has good and bad things going on for him.
Dragon has a bigger struggle than Mihawk, that's true.
But Mihawk's biggest struggle is yet to come in the story, when Zoro defeats him. Up until that point, Oda is probably not going to show him physically struggling with much of anything, except maybe a wine cork.

And I disagree about the Zoro scene. I think that was a huge moment of rare self-doubt for Mihawk.

Good Leadership

Dragon is leader of Revolutionary Army. He is different from Mihawk who takes order from World Government. Dragon has shown good leadership ability throughout the series.
Dragon is a good leader! But the Warlords are notoriously difficult to control -- Sengoku can hardly get anyone to even attend the meetings, much less to work together on the battlefield at MF.

Dragon's role as a leader is just as satisfactory as Mihawk's role as WSS. They're just different roles. Mihawk isn't a people person like Dragon is.

Tactician

Unlike Mihawk whose life only revolves around fighting, Dragon beside a fighter himself is also a tactician. After Luffy liberated Dressrosa, Revolutionary Army took the opportunity to seize munitions and evidence related to Doflamingo's black market activities.
I'll have you know that his life also revolves around drinking wine and taking naps! :milaugh:

And have we seen Dragon fight? He grabbed Smoker's jitte, and he might have caused the storm at Loguetown, but it seems like he has other people doing most of the fighting. And his army stealing things isn't something he's done. We don't know how much of that was his idea or his planning, or if he was even there. Maybe Morley did it, who knows?

Camaraderie
Mihawk lives alone in his home in Kuraigana Island. However Dragon is different. He has many people he trusts. His camaraderie with his subordinates are strong.
Ivankov was willing to protect Luffy when he knew Luffy is Dragon's son.
That may make him a friendlier person than Mihawk, but it doesn't make him a better character. Mihawk relies on himself; I'm not saying that's better, but that both characters are filled out as far as camaraderie goes. Some people just don't like other people very much.

Already addressed this above. Mihawk takes care of those who are important to him as well.

Character Arc

Dragon's character arc revolves around from building his armies to overthrow World Government. From his past in Goa Kingdom we can see how he despises royal for what he did to Sabo. Dragon also declared that he would change the world. From that point onward Dragon started building his armies to achieve his objective. As character this makes Dragon more interesting. We see a progression of Dragon's character. As for Mihawk, his goal is to wait Zoro for strong enough to challenge him. There is no progression in Mihawk's character arc. As character this makes Mihawk less interesting compared to Dragon.
I think having Zoro and Perona at the castle provided a really great look at what Mihawk's character is like. Even in the flashback scene of Zoro learning about haki, Mihawk is just chilling and holding a glass of wine. Compared to the monster we saw at Marineford, he seems like a normal person almost! By the time Perona left in Ch 925, we could see that Mihawk and Perona had settled into life at the castle, though they still bickered.

If you're looking for an event that changes his entire worldview or something, it's probably not going to happen. I know some Mihawk fans want him to realize the futility of working on his own and, in true OP fashion, discover the power of friends (tm) but to me, that seems like a waste of a perfectly good loner.

Mihawk's character progressed as he had to play hotel with Zoro and Perona such that he could "tolerate" them, and then by ch 925, he was even telling Perona to be careful out there, which made her cry (I guess that's not that hard to do though, lol).

We do have a chance to see if he changes now that he's being chased by the Marines, but we can't know for sure yet.

Meaning of their title
Now if we're talking about the legitimacy of their titles, what made Mihawk as World Strongest Swordman? Has he even beaten any top swordsman in the series? For Dragon it's clear he's a D and among all D presented in the manga, he's the only one who tries to overthrow World Nobles who are called Gods. This makes Dragon legit as the worst criminal but for Mihawk there's no build up as to why Mihawk is World Strongest Swordman.
This is irrelevant. The titles are as Oda gives them.
We don't know how he claimed his title, or even if it's just something the WG made up to make him sound cooler as a Warlord. But we do know that he performs UNBELIEVABLE feats, like the iceberg chop, and even seasoned Marines couldn't believe their eyes. He also has Yoru, one of the 12 greatest swords in the world, and it's a black blade. We can infer from other characters' reactions to him that he holds the title, no matter where it came from or how.

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Thanks again for waiting on me! This debate has been fun and I've realized those characters have more in common than I thought they did.
 
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