Speculations Elbaf is a physical, Lunarian "God" ruling over Giants.

#1
This one is probably going to catch me L's pretty quickly lol, but frankly its something I wanted to talk about and the theories section is too dead imo for good dicussion.

Anyway, this sort of came up with a convo @Sir Yasheen and I were having a few days ago about what Emerald City is and where it may exist (i.e. maybe above Elbaf, though Ive explained that Emerald city was just a poor mans translation of Shandora). Theres tons of ideas out there that highlight the possible connection between Elbaf (the island), its tree, and to the sky/sky islands, but I wanted to highlight a few things that may genuinely support the idea and why I think that:

1. Elbaf is a physical, self proclaimed God
2. This person resides on a sky island kingdom above Elbaf
3. This person may be Lunarian
4. This person may be Elbaf's major villain


1. Elbaf, the God:

For years we've heard and wondered about Elbaf the island, which is also named after their Giant's fabled god of war, Elbaf. We know its clearly based on Norse mythology, stemming the Viking motif of its warriors to "Prince Loki" and its great tree (obviously a reference to Yggdrasil).

Now Im not sure how deep the "Norse" rabbit hole is meant to go, either meaning that Elbaf is a direct reference to Tyr as the God of War or maybe just Odin, but I do have a pretty firm belief that "Gods" in One Piece are all physical, not spiritual in nature.

Outside of Nika (who is a physical DF god), Elbaf is the only other named God in the series. Yes, you have the 4 unnamed deities from Shandora, but not relevent to the current discussion imo yet. It is leads me to believe, that like with every named or referenced character in this series, they will eventually show up in some physical capacity.

I.e. Elbaf is real.


2. Elbaf lives in a "realm" above the Giants

This is where the tree comes into play. It would almost be criminal of Oda to not capitalize on Elbaf's tree and its potential connections to other locations. BMs flashback suggests its size is so massive that its branches go beyond the horizon in some cases. Even the safest bet is just that its height clearly is taller than anything we've seen. It would lend credence to something being up there, consolidering this is an adventure series.

Now Im suggesting that Elbaf, a real being, must reside somewhere. And "Gods" tend to reside above their people. Hence a sky island. Also, its interesting that Oda has saved Urouge for last....

3. Elbaf is a Lunarian.

Now heres the big stretch, but its always fascinated me that Oda introduced King when he did and also had BM comment on the species she doesnt have as part of her family, him included. Obviously the Lunarian role is coming, and is far more important than just adding genes to Serephim. Who were they? Why/how were they booted off of the now Mariejois?

Most importantly, why did Whitebeard refer to them as the "Gods" and their "Kingdom of Gods" to Marco? If they were kicked out, where did they go? How did the WG get rid of them? The interesting part is, this happened hundreds of years ago, so if there are surviving Lunarians, its not impossible for them to be looked at as deities to Elbaf. Note that Alber is 47 and still looks like a young man, so who knows how old Lunarians can get.

Also Alber (アルベル) and Elbaf (エルバフ) do sound somewhat similar if you want to theorize they are solely lunarian style names lol (again, huge stretch).


4. Elbaf, the villain.

Honestly, ever since Little Garden, the idea of Elbaf being "good" for the warriors of Elbaf has always seemed a bit much. Considering the series' themes about peace/freedom/etc, it'd be pretty uncanny for Elbaf to not have negatively influenced the giants in some way when it comes the way they fight for their God. Luffy even had a problem with this back at Little Garden.

Im sure somehow this will cycle to the arc, Usopp's bravery, and more, regardless of what Elbaf actually is or not. Hell, considering how WB talked about Lunarians, this may be the Lurking Legend? Lol


Tldr: Elbaf is a major one piece villain, who resides above Elbaf the Island and is a booted ancient Lunarian "God" from Red Line. Maybe he's the Lurking Legend


Have at it, roast me folks:josad:


Edit: Note that after this post, I came to the realization that Emerald City is just a poor translation for Shandora, City of Gold. But the point of the thread still stands.
 
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#8
Your L started the moment you got the idea.

Elbaf is a place. Giant have 2 members fighting to be the King. There is currently only a Prince on Elbaf.
Elbaf is an actual god referenced by Dorry and Broggy several times in Little Garden. The island is named after the God. This has nothing to do with Royalty and Dorry/Broggy are not fighting over who will be King lol
 
#9
This is a really good theory.
I think fire people is a thing in norse mythology. So maybe.
Those are the sons of Muspelheim

All in all, the idea of Elbaf himself being a god, then I think the god itself would be Ymir.

Norse genesis occurs when the heat of Muspelheim and the ice from Niflheim met and gave birth to the god Ymir. Ymir then gave birth to the grandfather of the Aesir, the same Aesir who ended up killing Ymir and making the earth itself with its corpse.

So if Elbaf is a god and country, he may be based on Ymir who was killed by those who became the god of the world he created. I.e. in one piece that could be an ancient giant who created Elbaf due to pulling continents and was killed by the celestial dragons so the giants then named their country after him.
 

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#12
I am not sure if Elbaf is a god like you say, but the island itself should give us some info about the gods. Evidence of this is found in BM's flashback:


The giants on Elbaf seem to know (and worship) the sun god. Nika lore will probably be explored in the arc.
 
#13
If this is already a theory, then awesome lol. Id love to give them credit
Nah, I'm just busting your balls.

However. If Emerald City will end up somehow also incorporating some Land of Oz elements, a character like you've portrayed Elbaf to be would work hand-in-hand with Oz himself: a self-proclaimed higher power able to do everything, only to be revealed as an insignificant nobody who's conned his way into the position.
 
#14
Nah, I'm just busting your balls.

However. If Emerald City will end up somehow also incorporating some Land of Oz elements, a character like you've portrayed Elbaf to be would work hand-in-hand with Oz himself: a self-proclaimed higher power able to do everything, only to be revealed as an insignificant nobody who's conned his way into the position.
Also something that @Sir Yasheen and I were discussing, was the fact that Bellamy mentioned both the Emerald City and Skypiea together. Considering Skypiea, a sky island, was ruled by a self proclaimed God, its fascinating to think Emerald City could parallel that idea in a way.

Anyway, who knows at this point
I just figured the Lunarians would have a future role outside of the Serephim at least.
 
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#15
Those are the sons of Muspelheim

All in all, the idea of Elbaf himself being a god, then I think the god itself would be Ymir.

Norse genesis occurs when the heat of Muspelheim and the ice from Niflheim met and gave birth to the god Ymir. Ymir then gave birth to the grandfather of the Aesir, the same Aesir who ended up killing Ymir and making the earth itself with its corpse.

So if Elbaf is a god and country, he may be based on Ymir who was killed by those who became the god of the world he created. I.e. in one piece that could be an ancient giant who created Elbaf due to pulling continents and was killed by the celestial dragons so the giants then named their country after him.
I feel like Ymir would be Imu, they have similar names.
 
#18
What the fuck is this hot ass trash.

Ain't no lil bitch ass Lunarian and their bum asses ruling over Elbaf.

Only 1 person rules over Elbaf, that is the God of Elbaf who possesses the strength of 100 giants!!! Lunarians are bums in comparison that's why those fodder got eliminated unlike the Giants.

Think before making hot trash garbage theories like this again, wasting a mf's time reading this non-sense.
Have at it, roast me folks:josad:
Only cause you asked bro. :milaugh:

Gotta grant my boy's wish.
 
#19
This one is probably going to catch me L's pretty quickly lol, but frankly its something I wanted to talk about and the theories section is too dead imo for good dicussion.

Anyway, this sort of came up with a convo @Sir Yasheen and I were having a few days ago about what Emerald City is and where it may exist (i.e. maybe above Elbaf). Theres tons of ideas out there that highlight the possible connection between Elbaf (the island), its tree, and to the sky/sky islands, but I wanted to highlight a few things that may genuinely support the idea and why I think that:

1. Elbaf is a physical, self proclaimed God
2. This person resides on a sky island kingdom above Elbaf
3. This person may be Lunarian
4. This person may be Elbaf's major villain


1. Elbaf, the God:

For years we've heard and wondered about Elbaf the island, which is also named after their Giant's fabled god of war, Elbaf. We know its clearly based on Norse mythology, stemming the Viking motif of its warriors to "Prince Loki" and its great tree (obviously a reference to Yggdrasil).

Now Im not sure how deep the "Norse" rabbit hole is meant to go, either meaning that Elbaf is a direct reference to Tyr as the God of War or maybe just Odin, but I do have a pretty firm belief that "Gods" in One Piece are all physical, not spiritual in nature.

Outside of Nika (who is a physical DF god), Elbaf is the only other named God in the series. Yes, you have the 4 unnamed deities from Shandora, but not relevent to the current discussion imo yet. It is leads me to believe, that like with every named or referenced character in this series, they will eventually show up in some physical capacity.

I.e. Elbaf is real.


2. Elbaf lives in a "realm" above the Giants

This is where the tree comes into play. It would almost be criminal of Oda to not capitalize on Elbaf's tree and its potential connections to other locations. BMs flashback suggests its size is so massive that its branches go beyond the horizon in some cases. Even the safest bet is just that its height clearly is taller than anything we've seen. It would lend credence to something being up there, consolidering this is an adventure series.

Now Im suggesting that Elbaf, a real being, must reside somewhere. And "Gods" tend to reside above their people. Hence a sky island. Also, its interesting that Oda has saved Urouge for last....

3. Elbaf is a Lunarian.

Now heres the big stretch, but its always fascinated me that Oda introduced King when he did and also had BM comment on the species she doesnt have as part of her family, him included. Obviously the Lunarian role is coming, and is far more important than just adding genes to Serephim. Who were they? Why/how were they booted off of the now Mariejois?

Most importantly, why did Whitebeard refer to them as the "Gods" and their "Kingdom of Gods" to Marco? If they were kicked out, where did they go? How did the WG get rid of them? The interesting part is, this happened hundreds of years ago, so if there are surviving Lunarians, its not impossible for them to be looked at as deities to Elbaf. Note that Alber is 47 and still looks like a young man, so who knows how old Lunarians can get.

Also Alber (アルベル) and Elbaf (エルバフ) do sound somewhat similar if you want to theorize they are solely lunarian style names lol (again, huge stretch).


4. Elbaf, the villain.

Honestly, ever since Little Garden, the idea of Elbaf being "good" for the warriors of Elbaf has always seemed a bit much. Considering the series' themes about peace/freedom/etc, it'd be pretty uncanny for Elbaf to not have negatively influenced the giants in some way when it comes the way they fight for their God. Luffy even had a problem with this back at Little Garden.

Im sure somehow this will cycle to the arc, Usopp's bravery, and more, regardless of what Elbaf actually is or not. Hell, considering how WB talked about Lunarians, this may be the Lurking Legend? Lol


Tldr: Elbaf is a major one piece villain, who resides above Elbaf the Island and is a booted ancient Lunarian "God" from Red Line. Maybe he's the Lurking Legend


Have at it, roast me folks:josad:


im into it until the lunarian thing. but now im expecting Elbaf to be a living figure like Elbaf's god-king. Or that we'll see the hito hito no mi: model elbaf
 
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