Powers & Abilities Garp and Luffy are best fighters in the verse.

[Rmstorm]

Garp and Luffy are the only top tiers that fight without a weapon using blunt force.

1) Luffy has never been trained professionally and was mostly self taught. He was thrown into a jungle and told to survive.

2) Luffy never trained his physical strength until Wano. Even his rubber body could not build muscle until he was in seastone cuffs.

3) Luffy is not a weapons user

4) Luffy has no fighting style, and no martial arts

5 ) Luffy was only taught the Basic of all 3 haki by Rayleigh.

Even Nika in the past used weapons as shown in his shioulette


Garp has no devil fruit and Weapon and is still able to compete with Roger and Whitebeard. He was only taught martial arts.



Meanwhile

Kaido, Big Mom, Roger, Shanks, Miahwk, Koby(taugh Swordmsanship) all are weapons users. Some veven have OP devil fruit on top of that.

The Marine Admirals were all taught swordmanship and were seen using weapons in their younger day Zephyr movie. They were also taught martial arts( marine traiinign


Meanwhile, Zoro and Sanji were tuahgt professionally, given martial arts and swordsmanship lesson as kids.

In zoro case he was taught advanced haki concepts as a child + Swordmanship.

Then he was tuaght further im swordmanship by the WSS.

 

[Chrono]

 

[Kiddoo]

I agree.

The fact that 90% of non-DF user characters and including some users use swords shows us how sword use and the WSS title should be respected

I see Garp as the All Might of One Piece, although I think he will never be explored.

 

[Finalbeta]

If by best we meant by haki skills and physical power non DF related I would give the cake to Mihawk and Garp and Zoro and a few others.

By battle IQ maybe Law?

By battle skill I think there a few good picks and Law and Luffy and Zoro amongst these.

I guess there are different areas to entertain 🤔

 

[IsaziSempi]

Most toptiers
DF punches swrods kicks and or guns

Sanji two feet

 

[Rmstorm]

If by best we meant by haki skills and physical power non DF related I would give the cake to Mihawk and Garp and Zoro and a few others.

By battle IQ maybe Law?

By battle skill I think there a few good picks and Law and Luffy and Zoro amongst these.

I guess there are different areas to entertain 🤔

Luffy already had the best haki skills in the manga currently.

He has Emotion reading, Voice.of All Things and Future Sight
He has barrier and Internal destrcution haki
He has Basic CoC, Unconcious CoC and CoC coatong

Luffy has got strong physical base power. Udon prison showed him in seastone lifitng huge blocks.

Luffy has also got the best battle Iq. That is the only way he could win his fights with no fighting style or formal trianing.

 

[Kiku]

The "Luffy couldn't build muscle due to his devil fruit" is kind of debunked by his entire post timeskip appearance.

 

[Rmstorm]

The "Luffy couldn't build muscle due to his devil fruit" is kind of debunked by his entire post timeskip appearance.

Oda made it so Luffy could build his power using seatone in wano.

 

[lee33]

Sasuke and Naruto are also the best fighters in the Naruto verse.

 

[Rmstorm]

Sasuke and Naruto are also the best fighters in the Naruto verse.

Stop trying to derail the thread. This what you Zoro fanboys do when fact are spoken.

 

[Colt Buntline]

Garp and Luffy are the only top tiers that fight without a weapon using blunt force.

You're forgetting Sanji.

Kaido, Big Mom, Roger, Shanks, Miahwk, Koby(taugh Swordmsanship) all are weapons users. Some veven have OP devil fruit on top of that.

And Luffy has the most OP devil fruit in the series. So what's your point here?

Meanwhile, Zoro and Sanji were tuahgt professionally, given martial arts and swordsmanship lesson as kids.

So what? How does that diminish their value anyhow?

Also, Luffy had Garp, one of the strongest people in the world, as somehow his trainer when he was a kid, who put him in difficult situations to strengthen him, while Zoro and Sanji had relatively common people as their masters.

And in the time-skip Sanji didn't even have any master to instruct him, whereas both Luffy and Zoro had 2 of the strongest people in the world to instruct them.

So if you want to use lack of proper instruction as an argument to make it seem like a character's strength is more meritorious than the other's, Luffy is also losing in this aspect when compared to Sanji. And I don't even think this matters anyway.

 

[WesMidnight]

Luffy was lucky in a sense that the gomu gomu no mi was such a nerf and pushed him to be such a maginificent combatant before awakening, so that he could get the best of both worlds, both a freak in base and a bigger freak with his awakening, all at the age of 19, truly unprecedented.

 

[Rmstorm]

You're forgetting Sanji.


And Luffy has the most OP devil fruit in the series. So what's your point here?



So what? How does that diminish their value anyhow?

Also, Luffy had Garp, one of the strongest people in the world, as somehow his trainer when he was a kid, who put him in difficult situations to strengthen him, while Zoro and Sanji had relatively common people as their masters.

And in the time-skip Sanji didn't even have any master to instruct him, whereas both Luffy and Zoro had 2 of the strongest people in the world to instruct him.

So if you want to use lack of proper instruction as an argument to make it seem like a character's strength is more meritorious than the other's, Luffy is also losing in this aspect when compared to Sanji. And I don't even think this matters anyway.

Luffy devil fruit is not the msot OP devilf ruit int he series.

He has been using Haki in gear 5 the whole time. Chapter 1045 kaido stated that.

So Gear 5 Awakening without haki is useless.

Kaido's Devil Fruit is still stronger than Luffy's. So is Akainu's, Big Mom's, Aokiji's are all stronger than Luffy's devil Fruit.

Being thrown in the jungle and told to survive on his own is not quality training.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Stop trying to derail the thread. This what you Zoro fanboys do when fact are spoken.

Imagine being stupid enough to call lee a zoro fanboy

Not surprised tho
Its rmstorm after all

 

[RYNO]

Oda made it so Luffy could build his power using seatone in wano.

except that oda made a point to have buggy say in impel down luffy got stronger since lat time he saw luffy.

So Gear 5 Awakening without haki is useless.

everything luffy has would be not as effective without everthing else his DF wouldnt be that effective without haki and his haki wouldnt be the same effitive without his DF, also luffy hasnt practice gear 5 so the effectiveness of it is limited and theres high chance his awakening did effect his haki, he had limit with gear 4 how big he can get before losing ability to stay in the form but he grew larger than a giant while having his body coated wi and still make a CoA coated island size fist, stop down playing gear 5.

Being thrown in the jungle and told to survive on his own is not quality training.

so your goner ignore the other training/fighting he did with garp and his bothers.

 

[DonWick]

Luffy already had the best haki skills in the manga currently.

He has Emotion reading, Voice.of All Things and Future Sight
He has barrier and Internal destrcution haki
He has Basic CoC, Unconcious CoC and CoC coatong

Luffy has got strong physical base power. Udon prison showed him in seastone lifitng huge blocks.

Luffy has also got the best battle Iq. That is the only way he could win his fights with no fighting style or formal trianing.

Facts Luffy was pushing buildings apart pre ts without using his fruit. He also was able to beat CoO users before he had haki. Luffy has the best battle Iq in OP

 

[Taylor_]

Facts Luffy was pushing buildings apart pre ts without using his fruit. He also was able to beat CoO users before he had haki. Luffy has the best battle Iq in OP

The perks of being a main character. Without it, he would have gotten stomped by Crocodile, Charlotte Katakuri and so on.

 

[Lion of Olympus]

Sasuke and Naruto are also the best fighters in the Naruto verse.

No they aren’t, they get handed free power ups constantly in the series

 

[Taylor_]

No they aren’t, they get handed free power ups constantly in the series

Naruto getting boosted by the nine tailed fox daily.

 

[Unlimited Rulebook]

Sasuke and Naruto are also the best fighters in the Naruto verse.

Hashirama and Madara want to have some words with you. Not to mention Nagato and Hagoromo and Haruma.

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Garp and Luffy are the only top tiers that fight without a weapon using blunt force.

1) Luffy has never been trained professionally and was mostly self taught. He was thrown into a jungle and told to survive.

2) Luffy never trained his physical strength until Wano. Even his rubber body could not build muscle until he was in seastone cuffs.

3) Luffy is not a weapons user

4) Luffy has no fighting style, and no martial arts

5 ) Luffy was only taught the Basic of all 3 haki by Rayleigh.

Even Nika in the past used weapons as shown in his shioulette


Garp has no devil fruit and Weapon and is still able to compete with Roger and Whitebeard. He was only taught martial arts.



Meanwhile

Kaido, Big Mom, Roger, Shanks, Miahwk, Koby(taugh Swordmsanship) all are weapons users. Some veven have OP devil fruit on top of that.

The Marine Admirals were all taught swordmanship and were seen using weapons in their younger day Zephyr movie. They were also taught martial arts( marine traiinign


Meanwhile, Zoro and Sanji were tuahgt professionally, given martial arts and swordsmanship lesson as kids.

In zoro case he was taught advanced haki concepts as a child + Swordmanship.

Then he was tuaght further im swordmanship by the WSS.

Maybe my memory is fading about the details, but don't Akainu and Sengoku not use weapons?