Controversial General Political Discussion

[Brush D. Teeth]

You'll have to ask Joe Biden, he's been doing his best to balance on the fence post of the Israel/Gaza war and all the resulting conflicts.

How is he sitting on the fence? He's been making half-assed suggestions about a ceasefire for months while sending billions in weapons to Israel.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

How is he sitting on the fence? He's been making half-assed suggestions about a ceasefire for months while sending billions in weapons to Israel.

He's been forcing Israel to slow down, notably with Rafah, and been pushing for negotiations since it started. He supports israel, as he should since it's the U.S.'s ally, but has obviously been moving for a peaceful resolution.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

sheeesh, the shit going on behind the scenes

K*l* t*** *l*

Not in this context. The problem here comes from the colonization of Palestine, the oppression of Palestinians but also from the imperialist and racist attitude of the Israelian governments toward arabs, muslims and the neighboring countries.

The problem is that humans are eternally vengeful and always look for reasons to attack others people and steal their territory. If we went far enough back we end up with Jin Wei and Wei Jin kinda figures and nobody really knowing how shit even started

And when they left the country collapsed because people in Afghanistan didn’t seem to care about democracy or women

Either you're implying that women aren't people or that they don't care about themselves

 

[Mathias]

I still can't believe that Biden had to pull back from the elections because of a stutter

There used to be a time when corrupt people and rapists were pulling back

Either you're implying that women aren't people or that they don't care about themselves

Yes

Spoiler

No but more like they don't care enough to fight for themselves

The US should have implemented strong feminist values

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

He's been forcing Israel to slow down, notably with Rafah, and been pushing for negotiations since it started. He supports israel, as he should since it's the U.S.'s ally, but has obviously been moving for a peaceful resolution.

He would send billions of dollar in bombs while talking about peace. Maybe it can be seen as peaceful for American standards but not for the rest of the world.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I still can't believe that Biden had to pull back from the elections because of a stutter

There used to be a time when corrupt people and rapists were pulling back

The funny part is that throughout the 4 years of his presidency ,Biden was the demented guy and Trump exploited it for his current campaign. Until Kamala became the nominee and now my goat Donnie is the demented one. He really fell off.

No but more like they don't care enough to fight for themselves

They don't know how to. Classic behavior of abuse victims.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

The funny part is that throughout the 4 years of his presidency ,Biden was the demented guy and Trump exploited it for his current campaign. Until Kamala became the nominee and now my goat Donnie is the demented one. He really fell off.

They don't know how to. Classic behavior of abuse victims.

How is Kamala not demented?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

How is Kamala not demented?

Do you know the meaning of the word dementia? Being an idiot doesn't make one demented.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

He would send billions of dollar in bombs while talking about peace. Maybe it can be seen as peaceful for American standards but not for the rest of the world.

You push for peace but support your ally, it's common sense. Biden has frustrated Bibi, especially in the first 5 months of the war. Hell, even at the DNC on Day 2, he said "Those protestors out there have a point", to the Gaza War protestors in Chicago.

The only people who think he's Pro Israel are those who think the U.S. will stop supporting its close ally after it was attacked, like that is a reasonable course for any government to take.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

You push for peace but support your ally, it's common sense. Biden has frustrated Bibi, especially in the first 5 months of the war. Hell, even at the DNC on Day 2, he said "Those protestors out there have a point", to the Gaza War protestors in Chicago.

The only people who think he's Pro Israel are those who think the U.S. will stop supporting its close ally after it was attacked, like that is a reasonable course for any government to take.

In truth, everyone can understand that all these peace talks are just election propaganda and there's no real substance behind them.

Do you know the meaning of the word dementia? Being an idiot doesn't make one demented.

Dementia literally means absent-mindedness.

 

[Mathias]

You push for peace but support your ally, it's common sense. Biden has frustrated Bibi, especially in the first 5 months of the war. Hell, even at the DNC on Day 2, he said "Those protestors out there have a point", to the Gaza War protestors in Chicago.

"They have a point. Let's send the cops to argue with them "

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Because aside from helping the cause for Multiculturalism and globalisation,it helps Israel to not be deemed to be seen as a genocidal state,while letting Israel enlarge its state.

Also Arabs make offspring like rabbits. If they let them be they will outnumber them.. Just look how in a few decades how lebanon went from being majorly an orthodox Christian country to its current state.

no

But if the west backs Israel. And a bunch of pro Palestine Muslims move to the west. Then wouldn’t that weaken the west’s backing of Israel?

Why would “Zionists” do such a thing?

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From just being in a Jewish community, the most ardently Zionist people are right wingers.

They legit tell me “Biden is holding back Israel”. Even Netanyahu wants Trump to win the election.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

"They have a point. Let's send the cops to argue with them "

Biden doesn't control his own cabinet, let alone Chicago PD

 

[Roo]

Biden doesn't control his own cabinet, let alone Chicago PD

they think the president is a king or something

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

no

But if the west backs Israel. And a bunch of pro Palestine Muslims move to the west. Then wouldn’t that weaken the west’s backing of Israel?

Why would “Zionists” do such a thing?

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From just being in a Jewish community, the most ardently Zionist people are right wingers.

They legit tell me “Biden is holding back Israel”. Even Netanyahu wants Trump to win the election.

That would happen if there were a plurality of opinions on the topic in the West, but all big parties are mostly pro-Israel. Also, from what I see, it's not much the religious Zionism that wants mass immigration but rather the financial one. But both want these people gone from the Middle East.

 

[Logiko]

Pro-Israeli lobby doesn’t exist ? Or are you talking about a Jewish lobby ?

The jewish lobby. That's not only something that doesn't exist, but that's a dog whistle for very problematic ideologies.

It is not a rhetoric when two big political figures in Trump and Netanyahou mention and praise it.
Denying its existence and strength because you want to push that every minority is oppressed is the real rhetoric here.

Talk about a support of Israel if you want. Do not talk about Jewish lobby.

You’re delusional if you think Hezbollah truly cares about Palestinians

I don't know about that. Probably not.

He's been forcing Israel to slow down, notably with Rafah, and been pushing for negotiations since it started. He supports israel, as he should since it's the U.S.'s ally, but has obviously been moving for a peaceful resolution.

I don't think keeping sending weapons to genocide a population is the best way to push for negotiations. But hey, I'm not a geopolitical expert.

The problem is that humans are eternally vengeful and always look for reasons to attack others people and steal their territory.

It's a structural problem not a problem in our nature.

You push for peace but support your ally, it's common sense.

In this case, there is no push for peace, but the help in a genocide. This is not support, this is complicity no matter how slow he has been sending the weapons.

The only people who think he's Pro Israel are those who think the U.S. will stop supporting its close ally after it was attacked, like that is a reasonable course for any government to take.

That's indeed a reasonable course for any human government to take. I don't care how cynical you want geopolitic to be, at the end of the day, we are talking about human lives and if humans lives are not the reason to make geopolitical choices that can lead to war, then there are no reasons to make them.

Netanyahou and his fascists acolytes screwed up, they crossed the humanitarian line multiple times, there is no geopolitical reasons not to bring him down.

It's time to stop thinking that geopolitical cynicism is rational behavior in front of situations that can lead to wars. If we want to stop living in a society that think war is eternal, we must stop putting political interests on top of human lives. If we are not capable of understanding that the interests of strangers are our own, we won't be able to find a way to coexist. We are humans or we are not. Let's stop pretending.

It's in the interests of the entire humanity not to accept a genocide as a legitimate defense action.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

The jewish lobby. That's not only something that doesn't exist, but that's a dog whistle for very problematic ideologies.

Jewish lobbying does in fact exist

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_lobby

But yes that term is also a dog whistle

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

A dog-whistle is supposed to be some sort of coded language that is only understood by some, in this case the definition of Jewish lobbying is pretty self-explanatory.

 

[Logiko]

Jewish lobbying does in fact exist

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_lobby

But yes that term is also a dog whistle

I'm talking about the Jewish Lobby as an international group, which does not exist. But I get your point, even tho the term is not appropriate at all in my opinion.

 

[Uncle Van]

So John Kerry(democrat presidential nominee in 2004 if you don't know), believes the 1st Amendment, which gives you the right of free speech, is a major road block to controlling information.

Interesting. So many politicians want to overturn the constitution. Wonder why