Powers & Abilities Haki Potential Doesn't makes any sense

[MonsterKaido]

Haki is not like chakra i.e. you have certain quantity of it nor there exist any measure. It doesn't makes sense for someone to born with more haki becasue unlike nen haki is unquantifiable? It directly means willpower yet luffy leaned adv coa in two months or so , where as characters like katakuri/doflaming never had them. Big mom/kaido should know about it being in rocks crew and so should their crew.

What do you think ?

 

[Mr. Anderson]

Luffy learned that skill for the specific purpose of bypassing Kaido's scales.

Katakuri, Doffy, BM and Kaido dont have it becuase they never needed it. Especially the two Yonko

 

[Doggo]

Haki makes no sense*
There. Fixed it for ya.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

As I said before, haki is pretty much a mistake.

 

[SLC_Girl]

You can measure Haki, Blackbeard made a comment about Luffy's Haki growing getting stronger back in Impel Down.
Law made a comment about the usage of Haki in Dressrosa when seeing G4, Luffy made a comment about draining Katakuri's haki as one way of trying to defeat him. Haki is def quantifiable.

Kaido, BM, Doflamingo, Katakuri not having advanced CoA isn't a problem, there are so many methods of fighting in OP verse, not everybody uses Haki as their core, it's just like Shanks doesn't have a powerful DF like Kizaru, Akainu doesn't have a high grade sword like Mihawk.

 

[MonsterKaido]

You can measure Haki, Blackbeard made a comment about Luffy's Haki growing getting stronger back in Impel Down.
Law made a comment about the usage of Haki in Dressrosa when seeing G4, Luffy made a comment about draining Katakuri's haki as one way of trying to defeat him. Haki is def quantifiable.

Kaido, BM, Doflamingo, Katakuri not having advanced CoA isn't a problem, there are so many methods of fighting in OP verse, not everybody uses Haki as their core, it's just like Shanks doesn't have a powerful DF like Kizaru, Akainu doesn't have a high grade sword like Mihawk.

Yes I agree but adv coa is obviosuly a powerup a good one at that which can be learned in a month or two and these characters are 40+ years old. Adv coo I understand Kaido/big mom don't need it because of dura but seeing how power hungry they are I am not sure why they didn't bother to master adv coa

 

[SLC_Girl]

Yes I agree but adv coa is obviosuly a powerup a good one at that which can be learned in a month or two and these characters are 40+ years old. Adv coo I understand Kaido/big mom don't need it because of dura but seeing how power hungry they are I am not sure why they didn't bother to master adv coa

I guess some characters are just more talented in some areas, better affinity when it comes to learning some techniques, but struggle to progress in other areas. You can say the same about Zoro's mobility struggles, if he learned skywalk wouldn't he be more broken? But Oda doesn't want to give him that, Zoro's thing is Attack Power and DC.

Also keep in mind that Luffy's clock is "fast-forwarded" for plot purposes, Roger became PK in his 50's, but Luffy prob has to do it in his 20's.

 

[Hie Hie no Mi]

Haki with regards to quantity is probably related to just overall physical stamina and conditioning. Hence why Old sick WB wasn't a haki monster anymore even though we know at one point that he wielded some insane CoA at the very least (looking at his clash with Roger). But haki potential is just another thing and it makes sense to me. Not everyone can have the best haki no matter how hard they train. It's like sports, there are guys who are younger than you who are way better (more naturally talented than you) and vice versa. Not everyone is going to have the same skillset either.
Again back to the sports analogy, if you're the biggest, strongest guy on the field, chances are you're not going to be the most technically skilled as you can just rely on your physical superiority. Someone who is weaker and less athletic will be more skilled in order to keep up. It isn't that they are unable to become more skilled, its a matter of why become more skilled if being more athletic works? Kaido and Big Mom are monsters without having to train much, so things like future sight or internal destruction haki just don't matter to them (for the most part).

 

[BOCCHI]

There’s nothing that indicates BM and Kaido don’t have yet I will say they don’t need it since they are this much powerful without even using it. When it comes to people like Kata and Doffy, we already know Kata has adv CoA as it’s his specialty while Doffy is a specialist in his DF powers so hr focused on it. It’s always depends on the fighter what to focus on when it comes to his skill set be it either type of haki or both or none yet focus on DF.

 

[Hiragaro]

luffy leaned adv coa in two months or so

Less than 2 weeks actualy. And advanced CoO in just a few hours.

The speed luffy learns things never made sense. You have people like the YC's and even the Yonkou themselvs who are pirates since years and years and fought hard battles, but stil don't have advanced haki - which is just ridiculous. This whole ''Haki blooms in hard fights'' came out of nowhere and was clearly an ass-pull to justify luffy's ridiculous speed of learning the FS. He literaly learned it in just a few hours, by being beaten up, while Katakuri was the only one confirmed user in the show after 800+ chapters...if it's that easy to learn how come not more people have that? Typical MC ass-pulls.

 

[MonsterKaido]

I guess some characters are just more talented in some areas, better affinity when it comes to learning some techniques, but struggle to progress in other areas. You can say the same about Zoro's mobility struggles, if he learned skywalk wouldn't he be more broken? But Oda doesn't want to give him that, Zoro's thing is Attack Power and DC.

Also keep in mind that Luffy's clock is "fast-forwarded" for plot purposes, Roger became PK in his 50's, but Luffy prob has to do it in his 20's.

Well physical abilities are understandable like sanji's flying abilities and zoro's sword styles but haki is pretty much the same... despite affinity thing Luffy is going to master both coo and coa....plus it can learned very fast.I don't think so oda ever mentioned about haki potential...it doesn't make sense as it is not an aura or a physical thing/quantifiable/you are born with imo....it is basically will power. It only means luffy has more will power than others....

 

[WesMidnight]

Less than 2 weeks actualy. And advanced CoO in just a few hours.

The speed luffy learns things never made sense. You have people like the YC's and even the Yonkou themselvs who are pirates since years and years and fought hard battles, but stil don't have advanced haki - which is just ridiculous. This whole ''Haki blooms in hard fights'' came out of nowhere and was clearly an ass-pull to justify luffy's ridiculous speed of learning the FS. He literaly learned it in just a few hours, by being beaten up, while Katakuri was the only one confirmed user in the show after 800+ chapters...if it's that easy to learn how come not more people have that? Typical MC ass-pulls.

1. Haki is will power related. No one in the series has more will power than Luffy.
2. Luffy had to be pushed to the extreme edge of combat against a superior foe who had FS, and have the natural affinity for it (he used proto FS against Mihawk to save his arm and was already a high tier CoO user). This is not "easy", and almost no other character gets put in this extreme situation with the pre-requisite talent.

 

[Olimaat]

Yes I agree but adv coa is obviosuly a powerup a good one at that which can be learned in a month or two and these characters are 40+ years old. Adv coo I understand Kaido/big mom don't need it because of dura but seeing how power hungry they are I am not sure why they didn't bother to master adv coa

Because if they had advanced CoO and advanced CoA they would be the strongest in the verse if not unbeatable

 

[Rmstorm]

Willpower related, Luffy has got more willppwer than others

 

[Finalbeta]

Except for CoC, haki is meant to be developed thanks to one's willpower, but training/experiencing is fundamental to nurture it.

 

[Usopp Haoshoku Haki]

Less than 2 weeks actualy. And advanced CoO in just a few hours.

The speed luffy learns things never made sense. You have people like the YC's and even the Yonkou themselvs who are pirates since years and years and fought hard battles, but stil don't have advanced haki - which is just ridiculous. This whole ''Haki blooms in hard fights'' came out of nowhere and was clearly an ass-pull to justify luffy's ridiculous speed of learning the FS. He literaly learned it in just a few hours, by being beaten up, while Katakuri was the only one confirmed user in the show after 800+ chapters...if it's that easy to learn how come not more people have that? Typical MC ass-pulls.

On the other hand, Luffy's had his DF for 15 years, has mastered it to the point of perfection and he's still not awakened.

 

[Rmstorm]

On the other hand, Luffy's had his DF for 15 years, has mastered it to the point of perfection and he's still not awakened.

Exacrly, proving Rayleigh's point about Luffy being skilled in haki.

 

[sanjikun]

They don't have it because Oda came up with "level 3" only recently.

There is a reason Luffy didn't know the difference between "level 2" and "level 3". Because there was none until Oda decided to retcon it.

 

[MonsterKaido]

1. Haki is will power related. No one in the series has more will power than Luffy.
2. Luffy had to be pushed to the extreme edge of combat against a superior foe who had FS, and have the natural affinity for it (he used proto FS against Mihawk to save his arm and was already a high tier CoO user). This is not "easy", and almost no other character gets put in this extreme situation with the pre-requisite talent.

Well I am mainly talking about adv coa which luffy mastered in two weeks and he would have mastered in months by his own...only after seeing it once.
Kaido/Big mom were in rocks crew fought other yonkos they should know about it still they don't have it neither their crews and they have so many years to train for it

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On the other hand, Luffy's had his DF for 15 years, has mastered it to the point of perfection and he's still not awakened.

Df awakening is a separate thing. We don't know how it works.

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Exacrly, proving Rayleigh's point about Luffy being skilled in haki.

What does skill mean...haki is willpower incarnate thats all...there is no aura/thing like chakra/nen...

 

[Mr. Anderson]

Kaido/Big mom were in rocks crew fought other yonkos they should know about it still they don't have it neither their crews and they have so many years to train for it

Its a rare skill that even a CoA master like Hyogoro knew very little about. It wouldnt make much sense for them to have much knowledge on Adv Haki, much less how to train it.