Powers & Abilities How deos Haki storage work? Are you boosting Enma or are you downplaying it? Is Enma a power up or a nerf?

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#1
So for all the guys out there trying their absolute best to downplay Zoro, clutching at the very last straw possible, how does this idea that Enma store Oden's Haki help your case?

If Haki storing is key to black blade as you guys say that would mean it would need to be filled with insane amounts of Haki to turn black blade.
By that logic Enma has less Haki stored in it in compairison to Shushui because Shushui got its quota of Haki storing completed and it turned into a black blade.

Meaning Oden in his life time was not able to supply Enma with as much Haki as Ryuma was able to supply to Shushui. By that logic Shushui would be stronger sword than Enma, meaning Enma is a nerf and not a power up and its reducing Zoro's potential?

Which agenda you guys wanna stick to guys? Is Enma a power up or is it storing Haki and a nerf since its Haki quota is not filled lmaoo?

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How does this nonsense actually work?
 
#4
So for all the retards out there trying their absolute best to downplay Zoro, clutching at the very last straw possible, how does this idea that Enma store Oden's Haki help your case?

If Haki storing is key to black blade as you guys say that would mean it would need to be filled with insane amounts of Haki to turn black blade.
By that logic Enma has less Haki stored in it in compairison to Shushui because Shushui got its quota of Haki storing completed and it turned into a black blade.

Meaning Oden in his life time was not able to supply Enma with as much Haki as Ryuma was able to supply to Shushui. By that logic Shushui would be stronger sword than Enma, meaning Enma is a nerf and not a power up and its reducing Zoro's potential?

Which agenda you guys wanna stick to guys? Is Enma a power up or is it storing Haki and a nerf since its Haki quota is not filled lmaoo?

To all the members of Crying 6
@Erkan12 @Jo_Ndule @Chrono @kurwa @Chaves @Kuro Ashi etc

Also to others like
@Celestial D. Dragon @GeneralP123

How does this nonsense actually work?
Ask Oda...
 
#6
Oda is purposely keeping how enma works vague...initially it only sucks zoro's haki but now it either creates haki ? /stores haki ? /amplifies zoro's haki? who knows. Hopefully we will clarification in future chapters
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Yeah if its Haki storage then the Haki is getting drained each time Zoro tries to use it.

Isn't Zoro's job to fill Enma with Haki not drain it if he is trying to make a black blade in this retarded theory?
Well it can work like kenpachi's eye patch if you are familiar with bleach...
 
#7
Oda is purposely keeping how enma works vague...initially it only sucks zoro's haki but now it either creates haki ? /stores haki ? /amplifies zoro's haki? who knows. Hopefully we will clarification in future chapters
I think its pretty obvious its just Zoro's own Haki as Hitetsu said, Oda's words were crystal clear on that.


Zoro haters just want every straw they can clutch on, they are desperate as fuck. Kaido himself is a retard who sees Oden every time he is in trouble, dumbass thought scabbards were using Oden's Haki too.
 
#8
I think its pretty obvious its just Zoro's own Haki as Hitetsu said, Oda's words were crystal clear on that.


Zoro haters just want every straw they can clutch on, they are desperate as fuck. Kaido himself is a retard who sees Oden every time he is in trouble, dumbass thought scabbards were using Oden's Haki too.
:suresure:
 
#11
How is it similar to Kenpachis eye patch?
Kenpachi's eye patch continously stores spiritual energy when he is not doing anything and release it during battle when he wants.Enma may work like that- storing zoro's haki when he is not doing anything and releasing during fight...that being said haki is not constantly emitted like spiritual energy....
 
#12
I'm not sure what's so complicated about differentiating between the words "Haki" and "Ryuo" from the words "Soul" and "Presence". They aren't the same at all.

Kawamatsu tells us that the soul that resides in a sword makes the wielder strong, not the haki but the soul. This goes for every other samurai in the raid that is also using the Swords of dead Samurai. They are all stronger as a result of the soul that lives in the blade.

Hitetsu tells us that before or after, only one person has ever tamed Enma and that was Oden. This implies that irrespective of Oden, Enma was always special.

Zoro's arm shrivels up as Enma takes his Haki from him. Then he takes his own haki back from Enma. Unless of course, you want to believe that "Oden's haki" is now living inside of Zoro's body.

Hitetsu tells us that Enma exudes its owner's Ryuo on its own and that it slices more than needed. This is what makes Enma special.

Zoro's first attack on Kaido with Enma doesn't do much meaningful damage, therefore he has to unleash Enma more because he's not letting it take enough of his own haki. Since Zoro is over restricting Enma, we aren't seeing what makes Enma special and neither is Kaido (a.k.a, he doesn't notice it).

In the very next chapter, Zoro lets Enma take a very large amount of haki from him. Kaido is confused since this doesn't resemble one of the swords from a minute ago. Additionally, Big Mom tells Kaido to dodge since it's no ordinary sword. (She's correct, Enma is special).

Right after the attack, Kaido asks himself "How does [Zoro's] katana bear the presence of Oden within it?". This is a good question from Kaido, why would some random swordsman's blade have Oden's presence in it? This gets answered later on.
We see Zoro huffing as a result of Enma taking a large amount of his haki, we can now deduce that there is a consequence for "unleashing" too much of Enma.

Zoro does a three-sword style attack however, Enma is singled out because it's the sword that has the most of his haki in comparison to all of the other swords (look at the effect). This makes sense because, with his other swords, Zoro has to manually flow his haki into them. With Enma, the sword takes his haki, all Zoro has to do is regulate how much of his haki the sword takes. Think of it like this, prior to Enma, Zoro is able to put 30% of his own haki into his swords. With Enma, he can now put 60% of his own haki into his swords. Of course, these are just arbitrary numbers, but you get the point. That's what Enma allows him to do and that's why Enma is so special.

As he sees the incoming attack, Kaido wonders to himself if Enma is the source of that strange Haki. Notice how he finds the haki strange and not familiar? Why would Kaido, a man who's felt and seen Oden's haki in the past not recognise Oden's haki with now 2 confrontations with it?

Finally, after further inspection, Kaido gets the answer to his question from earlier. Why does Zoro's katana bear the presence of Oden within it? Well, it's because it's Oden's sword, and if you recall what Kawamatsu said earlier. The soul of a samurai essentially remains in their katana. Hence why it gives Kaido the vibe of Oden. This tells us that the pain that Kaido receives after an Enma attack is the same while the sensation of the haki is different. (But But Oden's haki??)

So to finish, Enma 100% uses Zoro's haki.
However, Zoro is stronger because Oden's soul resides in Enma. This isn't just for Zoro, but for every Samurai using the swords of other fallen Samurai.
 
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#13
I'm not sure what's so complicated about differentiating between the words "Haki" and "Ryuo" from the words "Soul" and "Presence". They aren't the same at all.

Kawamatsu tells us that the soul that resides in a sword makes the wielder strong, not the haki but the soul. This goes for every other samurai in the raid that is also using the Swords of dead Samurai. They are all stronger as a result of the soul that lives in the blade.
Hitetsu tells us that before or after, only one person has ever tamed Enma and that was Oden. This implies that irrespective of Oden, Enma was always special.
Zoro's arm shrivels up as Enma takes his Haki from him. Then he takes his own haki back from Enma. Unless of course, you want to believe that "Oden's haki" is now living inside of Zoro's body.
Hitetsu tells us that Enma exudes its owner's Ryuo on its own and that it slices more than needed. This is what makes Enma special.
Zoro's first attack on Kaido with Enma doesn't do much meaningful damage, therefore he has to unleash Enma more because he's not letting it take enough of his own haki. Since Zoro is over restricting Enma, we aren't seeing what makes Enma special and neither is Kaido (a.k.a, he doesn't notice it).
In the very next chapter, Zoro lets Enma take a very large amount of haki from him. Kaido is confused since this doesn't resemble one of the swords from a minute ago. Additionally, Big Mom tells Kaido to dodge since it's no ordinary sword. (She's correct, Enma is special).
Right after the attack, Kaido asks himself "How does [Zoro's] katana bear the presence of Oden within it?". This is a good question from Kaido, why would some random swordsman's blade have Oden's presence in it? This gets answered later on.
We see Zoro huffing as a result of Enma taking a large amount of his haki, we can now deduce that there is a consequence for "unleashing" too much of Enma.
Zoro does a three-sword style attack however, Enma is singled out because it's the sword that has the most of his haki in comparison to all of the other swords (look at the effect). This makes sense because, with his other swords, Zoro has to manually flow his haki into them. With Enma, the sword takes his haki, all Zoro has to do is regulate how much of his haki the sword takes. Think of it like this, prior to Enma, Zoro is able to put 30% of his own haki into his swords. With Enma, he can now put 60% of his own haki into his swords. Of course, these are just arbitrary numbers, but you get the point. That's what Enma allows him to do and that's why Enma is so special.
As he sees the incoming attack, Kaido wonders to himself if Enma is the source of that strange Haki. Notice how he finds the haki strange and not familiar? Why would Kaido, a man who's felt and seen Oden's haki in the past not recognise Oden's haki with now 2 confrontations with it?
Finally, after further inspection, Kaido gets the answer to his question from earlier. Why does Zoro's katana bear the presence of Oden within it? Well, it's because it's Oden's sword, and if you recall what Kawamatsu said earlier. The soul of a samurai essentially remains in their katana. Hence why it gives Kaido the vibe of Oden. This tells us that the pain that Kaido receives after an Enma attack is the same while the sensation of the haki is different. (But But Oden's haki??)
So to finish, Enma 100% uses Zoro's haki.
However, Zoro is stronger because Oden's soul resides in Enma. This isn't just for Zoro, but for every Samurai using the swords of other fallen Samurai.
Interesting. Do you think maybe shanks has rogers sword? it will be cool imo
 
#15
Interesting. Do you think maybe shanks has rogers sword? it will be cool imo
Maybe, but not a super high chance.
He has 3 swords...
His green sword from early one piece.
His gold sword from Ace flashback until Marineford.
His blue sword from most OP video games and from the cover of Ch. 838.

If he has Roger's sword (the gold one), then he hasn't used it for long. Maybe he started using it once he became an emperor. Who knows.
 
#16
Kenpachi's eye patch continously stores spiritual energy when he is not doing anything and release it during battle when he wants.Enma may work like that- storing zoro's haki when he is not doing anything and releasing during fight...that being said haki is not constantly emitted like spiritual energy....
Well again it doesn't make much sense.
Like is it constantly draining Zoro's Haki, or is Zoro willingly storing his Haki in Enma?
If he is willingly storing his Haki in Enma, then why doesn't he use stored Haki? Is it like a savings account, he would only use that Haki when he runs out of his current Haki?

How does Oden's stored Haki makes sense if Zoro is pulling out Oden's Haki.
All these are mental gymnastics. Its simple, Enma takes Zoro's Ryou, and produces massive attacks at the cost of Zoro. Like for example when Zoro used that Ittoryu slash, he was kinda tired because he had exerted some Haki.

It is kinda like G4 but Zoro's stamina and Haki levels are far above Luffy's so instead of just 10 minutes, he can sustain it for hours.
 
#17
Well again it doesn't make much sense.
Like is it constantly draining Zoro's Haki, or is Zoro willingly storing his Haki in Enma?
If he is willingly storing his Haki in Enma, then why doesn't he use stored Haki? Is it like a savings account, he would only use that Haki when he runs out of his current Haki?

How does Oden's stored Haki makes sense if Zoro is pulling out Oden's Haki.
All these are mental gymnastics. Its simple, Enma takes Zoro's Ryou, and produces massive attacks at the cost of Zoro. Like for example when Zoro used that Ittoryu slash, he was kinda tired because he had exerted some Haki.

It is kinda like G4 but Zoro's stamina and Haki levels are far above Luffy's so instead of just 10 minutes, he can sustain it for hours.
The best thing is to wait for some chapters at best 4-5 months we will get our answer. There is no use debating about enma where lots of angles can be used to explain it.
 
#18
The best thing is to wait for some chapters at best 4-5 months we will get our answer. There is no use debating about enma where lots of angles can be used to explain it.
The only angle that makes no sense is Oden's Haki angle.
Oden deserves 0 credit for Zoro's feats
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What conclusion did Crying 6 council reach?

Is Enma a Haki bank meaning inferior Haki bank than Shushui and it nerfs Zoro?
Or Haki bank is bullshit and it can potentially be a power up?

Cry clearly,
@Erkan12 @Jo_Ndule @kurwa @Master OF Haki @Chrono
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Also discuss one more matter.
Is Enma gradually becoming weaker since Zoro keeps pulling Haki out since the Haki stored is already in scarce amounts.
Zoro already deposited too much Haki during Hiryu Kirren or what ever the fuck else he used.

How much more Haki can he deposit from the bank before he runs out of funds?
 
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#19
So for all the retards out there trying their absolute best to downplay Zoro, clutching at the very last straw possible, how does this idea that Enma store Oden's Haki help your case?

If Haki storing is key to black blade as you guys say that would mean it would need to be filled with insane amounts of Haki to turn black blade.
By that logic Enma has less Haki stored in it in compairison to Shushui because Shushui got its quota of Haki storing completed and it turned into a black blade.

Meaning Oden in his life time was not able to supply Enma with as much Haki as Ryuma was able to supply to Shushui. By that logic Shushui would be stronger sword than Enma, meaning Enma is a nerf and not a power up and its reducing Zoro's potential?

Which agenda you guys wanna stick to guys? Is Enma a power up or is it storing Haki and a nerf since its Haki quota is not filled lmaoo?

To all the members of Crying 6
@Erkan12 @Jo_Ndule @Chrono @kurwa @Chaves @Kuro Ashi etc

Also to others like
@Celestial D. Dragon @GeneralP123

How does this nonsense actually work?
This nonsense works like Hody Jones's plan to become the King of Pirates: it dies of copium overdose before it even leaves the abyss. :gokulaugh:
 
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