Your core point is: "This is what happens when haki is used", your rebuttal of "it doesn't matter that haki wasn't used" is fundamentally dishonest. Take your L like a man, there's nothing i hate more than dishonest cowards who can't even admit a simple mistake. You're what's wrong with the world today.
Powers & Abilities How Haki and Logia Abilities work (Explanation for Erkan12 and co.)
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They counter act each other. Magma evaporates ice and heats up, Aokiji cools Magma down and freezes it. But that isn't a natural weakness. Magma isn't the natural element of ice/cold and vice versa.
He would reform from molecules, since Logias do not have a physical body.
Though engulfing Aokiji in magma wouldn't work in the first place, since his freezing abilities would cool the magma down into solid rock and freeze it immediately.
He would reform from molecules, since Logias do not have a physical body.
Though engulfing Aokiji in magma wouldn't work in the first place, since his freezing abilities would cool the magma down into solid rock and freeze it immediately.
Ice isn't an element? Let's look at the definition of element boys and girls
Element: each of more than one hundred substances that cannot be chemically interconverted or broken down into simpler substances and are primary constituents of matter. Each element is distinguished by its atomic number, i.e. the number of protons in the nuclei of its atoms.
What element is ice?
"ICE (Hydrogen Oxide)
As a naturally occurring crystalline inorganic solid with an ordered structure, ice is considered to be a mineral. It possesses a regular crystalline structure based on the molecule of water, which consists of a single oxygen atom covalently bonded to two hydrogen atoms, or H–O–H.
Are minerals an element? : Minerals are made up of chemical elements. A chemical element is a substance that is made up of only one kind of atom. Have you heard of oxygen, hydrogen, iron, aluminium, gold and copper? These are all chemical elements.
https://www.google.com/search?q=definition.of.the+word.element&client=ms-android-samsung-gj-rev1&sxsrf=AOaemvKuCzTKVqXgO9ft74eMPvDbBrILiw:1640992240147&ei=8I3PYdKuCNSJwbkP54KF8AQ&oq=def&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYADIECCMQJzIECCMQJzIECCMQJzIECAAQQzIECAAQQzIHCAAQsQMQQzIECAAQQzIFCAAQgAQ6BwgjELADECc6BwgAEEcQsAM6BwgAELADEEM6BggAEBYQHjoHCCMQ6gIQJzoECC4QQzoICAAQsQMQgwE6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBEKMCOg4ILhCxAxCDARDHARCvAUoECEEYAFDNBlj-FmDTJGgCcAF4AoABuAeIAeofkgEJNS41LjEuNi0zmAEAoAEBsAEPyAERwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
Here is another link to research yourself
https://www.google.com/search?clien...BHT0EC94Q1QJ6BAhEEAE&biw=412&bih=828&dpr=1.75
Element: each of more than one hundred substances that cannot be chemically interconverted or broken down into simpler substances and are primary constituents of matter. Each element is distinguished by its atomic number, i.e. the number of protons in the nuclei of its atoms.
What element is ice?
"ICE (Hydrogen Oxide)
As a naturally occurring crystalline inorganic solid with an ordered structure, ice is considered to be a mineral. It possesses a regular crystalline structure based on the molecule of water, which consists of a single oxygen atom covalently bonded to two hydrogen atoms, or H–O–H.
Are minerals an element? : Minerals are made up of chemical elements. A chemical element is a substance that is made up of only one kind of atom. Have you heard of oxygen, hydrogen, iron, aluminium, gold and copper? These are all chemical elements.
https://www.google.com/search?q=definition.of.the+word.element&client=ms-android-samsung-gj-rev1&sxsrf=AOaemvKuCzTKVqXgO9ft74eMPvDbBrILiw:1640992240147&ei=8I3PYdKuCNSJwbkP54KF8AQ&oq=def&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYADIECCMQJzIECCMQJzIECCMQJzIECAAQQzIECAAQQzIHCAAQsQMQQzIECAAQQzIFCAAQgAQ6BwgjELADECc6BwgAEEcQsAM6BwgAELADEEM6BggAEBYQHjoHCCMQ6gIQJzoECC4QQzoICAAQsQMQgwE6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBEKMCOg4ILhCxAxCDARDHARCvAUoECEEYAFDNBlj-FmDTJGgCcAF4AoABuAeIAeofkgEJNS41LjEuNi0zmAEAoAEBsAEPyAERwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
Here is another link to research yourself
https://www.google.com/search?clien...BHT0EC94Q1QJ6BAhEEAE&biw=412&bih=828&dpr=1.75
Yes cause he used to be a swordsman and still has good swordsmanship skills.
Fujitora could use swordsmanship any time he wanted but he is currently using devil fruit to get accustomed to it in order to become more powerful, that's the reason he was given the devil fruit in the first place.
Idk how a sword could eat a devil fruit but i guess in one piece nothing is impossible.
Fujitora could use swordsmanship any time he wanted but he is currently using devil fruit to get accustomed to it in order to become more powerful, that's the reason he was given the devil fruit in the first place.
Idk how a sword could eat a devil fruit but i guess in one piece nothing is impossible.
I see where you're coming from but having a DF isn't a ''fighting style'' you need something else to be relevant or else you will be like Cariboo...
We already have an example of a sword with an elephant DF (Spandam's) and a gun with a dog DF (Mr.4)
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Regarding the Aokiji vs Akainu debate, it makes no sense that Magma has an advantage against ice or else it would mean that DFless Aokiji baby shakes DFless Akainu...
We already have an example of a sword with an elephant DF (Spandam's) and a gun with a dog DF (Mr.4)
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Regarding the Aokiji vs Akainu debate, it makes no sense that Magma has an advantage against ice or else it would mean that DFless Aokiji baby shakes DFless Akainu...
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A Logia is his element therefore everything who can counter the element will counter him
Yes and liquid water too. Does that mean Aokiji's can become water ?
Nope he will always stays Ice. If he can't he will be damaged
So Ace should also be able to use the smoke element under some condition ?
And If Aokiji combine is power with a fire user he become a water DF user ?
Yeah right water only acts on the stickiness
If he use Haki he can if he don't he's not harming Katakuri's real body but only mochi
@ConquistadoR
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You can touch Logia without haki it just won't harm their body.
If you aren't a counter to the element you can't harm it
As far as I know Robin isn't an haki user or a Fire or Magma user
Using your Logic if Akainu completely melts Aokiji's when the latter is intangible it will have no effects on Aokiji ?
He will just reform himself ?
@scoobie3
A Logia is his element therefore everything who can counter the element will counter him
Yes and liquid water too. Does that mean Aokiji's can become water ?
Nope he will always stays Ice. If he can't he will be damaged
So Ace should also be able to use the smoke element under some condition ?
And If Aokiji combine is power with a fire user he become a water DF user ?
Yeah right water only acts on the stickiness
If he use Haki he can if he don't he's not harming Katakuri's real body but only mochi
@ConquistadoR
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@M944
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following your logic Aokiji shouldnt have been able to rebuild himself after he was broken apart by Nico Robin
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following your logic Aokiji shouldnt have been able to rebuild himself after he was broken apart by Nico Robin
If you aren't a counter to the element you can't harm it
As far as I know Robin isn't an haki user or a Fire or Magma user
Using your Logic if Akainu completely melts Aokiji's when the latter is intangible it will have no effects on Aokiji ?
He will just reform himself ?
@scoobie3
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Seems pretty clear to me that he was being literal
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Because its an armor? Its like punching someone while wearing brass knuckles or a gauntlet, and the more advanced techniques just make the attack travel further into the opponent, but why would it make magma burn hotter or cold be colder? Doesnt really make sense from what we know of haki
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It wouldn't make magma hotter or ice colder, it would allow you to hurt your logia opponents physical body instead of their logia body.
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@M944
The only specific "counters" in the series so far are Luffy for Enel (it is also unidirectional; as in Enel is not a counter to Luffy) and water for Crocodile.
Magma and Ice don't follow the same principle as Rubber and Lightning.
We can see from the Monet example how that works, she was hit with a Heat Egg by Nami but it merely just impeded her and forced her to reform her body. It did zero damage to her actual body like haki-infused strikes did.
Smoke isn't another form of fire though?
I don't understand what your argument is in the second part of this post but no he cannot become water DF user.
Exactly. Now apply the same logic to when Akainu's magma and Aokiji's ice interact.
Yes. That is the argument.
Their intangibility is not impeded by the other element like what happens in the case of Luffy vs Enel or when you apply liquid on Crocodile.
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@M944
The only specific "counters" in the series so far are Luffy for Enel (it is also unidirectional; as in Enel is not a counter to Luffy) and water for Crocodile.
Magma and Ice don't follow the same principle as Rubber and Lightning.
We can see from the Monet example how that works, she was hit with a Heat Egg by Nami but it merely just impeded her and forced her to reform her body. It did zero damage to her actual body like haki-infused strikes did.
Smoke isn't another form of fire though?
I don't understand what your argument is in the second part of this post but no he cannot become water DF user.
Exactly. Now apply the same logic to when Akainu's magma and Aokiji's ice interact.
Yes. That is the argument.
Their intangibility is not impeded by the other element like what happens in the case of Luffy vs Enel or when you apply liquid on Crocodile.
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How is using your devil fruit only not a fighting style and why do you need something else despite a devil fruit... what?
What fighting styles are Luffy, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Enel, Crocodile and all the other devil fruit users that you have seen in the series using?
They are literally only using their devil fruits for fights, nothing else.
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There is no L to take my guy.
You are simply too stupid to understand what has already been explained in this thread and i'm not gonna take my time to explain it to you for 5 more times in detail until you just might understand it.
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Monet's snow arm gets melted and blown off by Nami's heatball, yet it has no effect on Monet's real body, she just puts herself back together.
What fighting styles are Luffy, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Enel, Crocodile and all the other devil fruit users that you have seen in the series using?
They are literally only using their devil fruits for fights, nothing else.
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There is no L to take my guy.
You are simply too stupid to understand what has already been explained in this thread and i'm not gonna take my time to explain it to you for 5 more times in detail until you just might understand it.
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Monet's snow arm gets melted and blown off by Nami's heatball, yet it has no effect on Monet's real body, she just puts herself back together.
You need haki to touch logias, but I dont recall there ever being a distinction between a logia body and a real body, those are one in the same, for example if you punch Akainu while he is in a magma state with haki you will hurt him but you would still be punching lava, its not like Blackbeard's powers, so unless your haki is strong enough to protect yourself you will be burned. Haki doesnt affect the "elementalness" of the opponent in the way you seem to describe it because if it did then in theory Ace would be able burn Akainu if his haki was stronger, wich would make Akainu's statement nonsensical